posted January 19, 2012 04:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Well that wasn't where my thought was headed.
Under a spell, in my reference, was the feeling that I and my partner also engage in when we fall for each other, and I do believe it is mainly the Venus/Pluto (and Moon) at work, since they enter into my realm as it were, I don't change my ways, they come over to me and ask to be healed, and I want to protect them. It's a perfect protected space. There's also my Water sun in H8 to consider here..I'm sure that plays into it too.
But Downey has Venus/Pluto? I need to look at his chart, OK he has the inconjunct.
I'd put his addiction/self destructive impulses more on his Mars/Uranus/Pluto opp Pisces Saturn in the 8th, then there's also Moon opp Neptune.

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I wasn't continuing your thought,but continuing on it,borrowed your lil metaphor!

Actually,I didn't look at his chart,I just found his comment fitting.Within his chart and life,it is about addiction,and ultimately Neptune.

posted January 19, 2012 05:46 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
I wasn't continuing your thought,but continuing on it,borrowed your lil metaphor!

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posted January 19, 2012 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:
Other Venus/Pluto theories I'd like to bring forth:

I've always associated Venus/Pluto with bisexuality. There are many older texts that quite frequently make the correlation. Though I don't like the use of labels whatsoever, I suppose if someone were to classify my sexual appetite, I would be rendered bisexual. I would probably score an exact 5 on the Kinsey Scale. Traditionally, it's thought that Pluto is both intense and highly sexed. Plus, Pluto is at odds with society and represents Taboo. Society tells us that man-woman love is the only love we ought to see fit. Pluto would question this. Plus, as sexed as he is, Pluto can't see why he would limit himself to 50% of the world's population. In terms of what I am attracted to, I don't even look to gender as a deciding factor. I feel as though Pluto scorches through it all. Pluto blazes through the notion of boy/girl because it understands everyone at the core...and at the core, we are all genderless. I've only ever pursued relationships with females, but I have indulged in my fair share of romping with other males. Coincidentally, with other Plutonians. I've also read that Venus/Pluto is on the conquest to dominate another's affection, including men and women--kind of the more, the merrier. After all, Pluto is one power-hungry mother-effer . I know that in my case this rings true, but what about you guys? I can't imagine this would be true for every Venus/Plutonian, so let me know about your own sexual proclivities to prove/disprove this notion. I have other highly sexual aspects in my chart, so I may have to look elsewhere.

And for the record, the girls that drive me crazy (and it's quite ironic how each one of my exes looks so alike) are olive-complected, black-haired, and with blue eyes. Something about the combo drives me wild. A freak in the bed.

In terms of other guys, I get riled up by very physically big alpha males...something about two very masculine guys with one another is what gets me off. The taboo (Pluto) of it is what gets me.

The whole black hair/dark features isn't as important. Maybe Venus only described the qualities I find attractive in a woman?

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Amazining. I consider myself heterosexual because of my traditional Mars in Taurus. But in my love live, I have to say I've been in love with friends, boys, girls, etc.

"and at the core, we are all genderless"

I consider this too. And I have a few friends with this aspect, and all of them have kissed someone of the same gender - even though all of them are most interested in sex with the opp gender - and agree with this theory.

posted January 19, 2012 09:28 AM            

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so is this venus/pluto in action?

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posted January 19, 2012 10:13 AM            

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I've always associated Venus/Pluto with bisexuality.

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posted January 19, 2012 10:02 PM            

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Originally posted by alaz7200:

@BeholdAstarte: Thanks for your interpretation. To answer your question, yes, my desire nature is quite remarkably strong. When I want something, be that sex or a tangible entity, I must have it, and will go to the ends of the Earth to satisfy that craving. I'm also very conscientious about finances and have perfect credit. I LOATHE anyone giving me money or being loaned money. I have a BIG self-sufficiency complex. I like to think the 2nd House (especially trine the MC) represents art, in an earthy Taurus sense. Also, the voice. As a former vocalist, this always made sense to me. I never made the correlation of Venus/Pluto to the Midheaven and the father...I thought that because it was a "trine" it would never indicate something so traumatic. Plus, my 4th House is very telling of my father (Saturn and Neptune), so I would never think to associate that with my father. I have and have always had very Venus/Pluto feelings for my mother, however, but my relationship with her is very close and healthy. I was very obsessed with her as a child, always fearing a danger befalling her, or even worse, losing her. It spurred me into extreme anxiety attacks and I was very possessive. Here is an excerpt Bettty Lundsted wrote about Venus conjunct Pluto:

"Venus represents the psychological effect of the mother on the individual, the ability toappreciate love, as well as the intellectual concept of what a love relationship is. Thesefeelings will be altered in some way by the presence of Pluto. It seems that during theindividual's formative years the mother was convinced that she had to control heruniverse through her 'womanhood'. In some way, she was able to overwhelm this nativeon a psychological level, and the resultant adult is a person who has to protect himself from the unseen influence, the devouring mother. The mother is an overwhelminginfluence. This produces a male who feels he has to control his relationships with thefemale, and perhaps even subconsciously he will be attempting to control anyrelationship that he forms. He may obsess over relationships or obsess over his desires,but the most harmful part of the aspect in the subconscious is a fear of the power of woman. It means that rather than relating he must manage everyone; and that does notmake a relationship smooth or happy.The female with this aspect was taught early in her childhood that in order to survive as afemale one must control all relationships. One must know where one stands in anyrelationship that is formed, or it may be lost. This woman will attempt to have a 'grip' oneverything around her; otherwise she thinks she will lose her position. Often the aspectworks subconsciously. She may be vaguely aware that she needs to detemine edges, forrarely is a hard Pluto aspect really conscious of the manoeuvring it does. She may pick men that she can manage and then resent them for being manageable. She may want toend relationships when this conjunction is being transited by other planets, for theenergy may bring her insecurity into focus. She may be afraid of her mother or resent hermother from childhood on into adulthood.The aspect can indicate a person whohas obsessive desires. Additional configurations in the chart may indicate how much soand what area of life is affected by the aspect. If Pluto represents transformation, or if itrepresents the collective unconscious of humanity, then the tie between Pluto and Venusis a 'biggie' in terms of human growth potential. If Venus represents our appreciation of art, culture and beauty, then the conjunction will intensify that appreciation and enablethe owner to transform the art world, or to gain understanding of potential art forms.Because Pluto symbolizes the archetypes of the collective unconscious, personaltransformation and / or insights can be developed when the lower manifestations of theaspect are comprehended."

Thanks for your honesty. Very often, Venus/Pluto individuals are sexually abused as children. I've read that they subconsciously emanate sexual (Plutonic) energy and that even their own father may find himself thinking improperly of his daughter or son. It is by enduring sexual abuse that they learn that sex is not related to love at all - that it's more a control game.

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i think your right about that trine to your midheaven when you explain it it makes a lot of sense . ive noticed that when saturns in the 4,5,10 that somethings up with the father. a few people i know with saturn in the 4th either have really strict parenting/fathers or their fathers are the extreme and completely absent or not very fatherly at all. and for some reason that also applies to the 5th.

hmm i feel that some of the interpretation is accurate, the mother stuff was more true when i was younger than now. i love my momma. both of my parents are very dominating/strong people. my mom being a scorpio with an aries moon and my dad having his sun conjunct mars in the 1st house, an aries moon, and his ascendent conjunct pluto. human growth and obsessive tendencies is spot on, but as far as the control thing.. like it says its subconscious so im not really aware of it half the time. i feel like all the negative aspects of the pluto/venus influence was more prominant when i was younger/teenager and from all the pain/hurt/negative habits ive "transformed" and im not very controlling anymore in my relationships, although im very insecure relationship wise, and sex isnt so much just "sex" but more of tantric love making haha. im a pretty loving person to everyone i meet, and i think that contributes greatly to my venus conjuncting the axis as well, but intensified my pluto.

i found this and its spot on
Taurus Rising and Venus in Scorpio

Your Venus is in Scorpio, a sign associated both with fate and karmic attraction in matters of the heart, and with the purification of your emotional nature. Compulsive desires, appetites, jealousy, possessive emotions and sexual or emotional manipulation of others for selfish ends are all part of the picture. Through the pain you feel you may learn to turn toward a more truly loving, refined way of being. Your emotional intensity can then be directed toward healing and deep empathy for others' suffering.

posted January 23, 2012 02:01 AM            

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Woah cakes, your guy/ex sounds EXACTLY like *ME*!! Is it my V/P-sextile or my Scorp-Moon??

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really? haha, yeah i wonder if it is a scorpio moon thing or venus/pluto? or both ? not sure.

posted January 23, 2012 09:42 AM            

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**...but yeah can you picture yourself doing that 'it depends why you did it' thing?? ....

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Ow LOL yeah.. with no doubt!

It really seems that v/p - scorp-moon (whatever) is constantly aware that things/feelings can just change seemingly out-of-nowhere ('life' and 'death' are always lurking everywhere around simply because we're used to live with those extreme emotional fluctuations) so it's very difficult for us to feel at peace for a longer period.
In fact, a certain big 'death' was already there as you were separated for a few weeks so the question/fear will always be 'did *we* survive?/is something changed?/am I just a sensual object to her now?'
So.. afraid as hell to lose what *we* had

Hm.. pretty interesting to read the other side of the coin hihi..

posted January 23, 2012 02:40 PM            

okay so MY question then becomes: do you do THAT with everyone? heheh, no but really.

okay the thing about the two weeks was i had to go out of town and then was super busy when i got back (he knew all this prior so it wasn't unexpected). it's just dawning on me just how much all of his paranoid behaviour could actually be attributed to pluto (with venus, or ruling his moon). we have interesting synastry because his sun is on my moon exact (in taurus) but his scorpio moon opposes those, and our uranuses cj it (mine opposes my moon exact). so we also have a lot of uranus/moon issues seperately and bewteen us. quite the axis. but yeah and then overlaying THAT stuff was the fact that he didn't behave so well toward the end of our relationship 17 years ago and was convinced i hadn't forgiven him, or see that i could see he'd changed (which i had!).

but yeah okay so in general you can understand why he behaves like that and it's actually a fear that MY intentions aren't pure? can you even relate to the seeming almost repulsed reaction? i don't know how else to describe it but it's like his face gets all sour and he seems all freaked out but it seems to accompany this paranoia. i think in part is because he is extremely sexy (venus cj mars with scorpio moon! yow) and gets hit on all the time so when he thinks/thought i was using him for sex, it was like a total turn off. oh and then i remember being all confused and at one point telling him like a month after we were together "but you kissed me!" and he goes "you kissed me too!" which confused me cuz it seemed loaded with this AFFECTED-NESS again, like he was relaying this sense of me having affected his emotions so totally by having kissed him but at the same time he seemed to be pushing me away.. cuz of this fear of being used i guess.

posted January 23, 2012 05:00 PM            

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I've read that they subconsciously emanate sexual (Plutonic) energy and that even their own father may find himself thinking improperly of his daughter or son.

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posted January 23, 2012 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I have the sextile and it's the closest aspect in my chart. I think I'm too intense. Too jealous. Too possessive. My husband is the same way though. Our plutos and venuses are in the same signs but his aren't aspected. He does have a mars-pluto conjunct so maybe that is why he is the same way. I almost have a mars-pluto opposition. I am obsessed and even the smallest things hurt me so bad. Any perceived betrayal cuts me so deep. But he is the same way and we understand eachother. Maybe it's bad for such similar people to feed eachother's faults, we cant grow. Or maybe this is perfect because we truly get eachother and can love eachother like crazy.

Yeah we do play mindgames but I can understand why he does and he can with me too and in the end it brings us closer.

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posted January 23, 2012 05:36 PM            

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how do mindgames bring you closer? haha to each their own i guess. but i was involved with a scorpio girl with the mars pluto conjunction and she was the queen of mindgames,we were involved for over a month but she would never admit she had feelings for me,even though she was always wanting to be intimant haha and if we werent together she would be texting me,and if i didnt answer her text within 5 minutes she would freak out,but she never admitted even liking me haha,but she wanted to know all about me and my feelings and secrets,but she wouldnt share anything with me

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posted January 24, 2012 01:05 AM            

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They attract controlling, obsessive partners rather than act that way themselves.

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I only attracted one nut case... Everyone else has been prrrretty sweet.
Really it's about the connection for me. I want to experience LOVE. I don't run from it or play games and I don't want to control or be controlled.
Love is about being sooooo incredibly close to another person - feeling blessed and happy that they are a part of your life and a part of you - and that you are a part of them. It's not about 'control' for me.

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Originally posted by Betty Boop:
Did Liz Greene say this?
It sounds like something she would say.

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