posted February 04, 2012 09:39 PM              

And how do you reverse the effects?
Is there ANY advantage to having Mars in the 12th?

I do think it's easier for me to keep my cool even when I'm boiling inside (with it there), but that's about it.

I have Mars in Gemini in the 12th (not using Whole Signs anymore. *sad face.*) I honestly think a big part of my low self-esteem is being ignored. I just got used to nobody considering me, without me taking the initiative. I've been trying to use whole signs so my Mars is in the 1st, but it doesn't work. I feel the effects of Mars in 12th too much.

posted February 04, 2012 10:58 PM            

Just swinging by to say "Hi."

Seriously...who ignores you? Why should they, I've seen your posts and you are nice. Nuts to them.

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posted February 04, 2012 11:03 PM            

Mars is the planet of action. It shows how we pursue what we pursue, whether it be a date, a job, or our side of an argument . The 12th house trumps any and all placements in the chart, for difficulty. Mars does not like to be in the 12th house .Mars likes to be where it can move forward in a direct way. Mars likes to take bold and decisive action. The 12th house trumps even the best Mars sign and renders this Mars very unhappy. Just as Mars loves to go forward to pursue a goal or say what is on it’s mind, the 12th house turns it inward. Mars wants to boldly shout it’s position, in an argument. The 12th house makes it reticent to make a peep. So, it becomes passive aggressive with it’s anger. Mars wants to pursue a woman. Mars in the 12th make Mars insecure and self doubting. Mars wants to pursue worldly goods. Mars in the 12th makes it procrastinate and second guess it’s motives. It may even give up, altogether. This Mars position is the same as the moon in the 12th house, in that it is like a child facing the wall in time-out. First, it has to turn itself around before it can even begin to get where it wants to go. If you know someone with this Mars position, know that they are struggling with a burden which may be mitigated but never totally

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posted February 04, 2012 11:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will put some info up about Mars in the 12th. It is VERY, VERY hard to have Mars there. You are not imagining things.

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GASP! I may have Mars there! I better pay attention, >:I

EDIT!That all sounds very scary. D:

posted February 05, 2012 02:42 AM              

Ami Anne - Yes, it is very frustrating. What I think is a loud crash only seems to measure up to "normal" for people. Othertimes I'll react and they look at me wild-eyed in horror, and I don't understand.

posted February 05, 2012 04:37 AM              

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I get that the 12th house is hidden in nature, but I ask because I'm tired of the consequences of having Mars in the 12th lol.

And how do you reverse the effects?
Is there ANY advantage to having Mars in the 12th?

I do think it's easier for me to keep my cool even when I'm boiling inside (with it there), but that's about it.

I have Mars in Gemini in the 12th (not using Whole Signs anymore. *sad face.*) I honestly think a big part of my low self-esteem is being ignored. I just got used to nobody considering me, without me taking the initiative. I've been trying to use whole signs so my Mars is in the 1st, but it doesn't work. I feel the effects of Mars in 12th too much.

I hope this doesn't get moved to Personal Readings... I just gave my own opinion on it to kick off others'.

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Ruler of the Eleventh House in the Twelfth House

"You may prefer to keep your fondest hopes and wishes to yourself. Some of your friends and acquaintances may be people you knew in a past life. Or, there may be a hidden element to those relationships. Illusion could also play a part.You could have a desire to serve humankind altruistically or help other people in a behind-the-scenes capacity. This astrological influence can also denote a relationship to secret organizations. Your unusual ideas can lead to your own undoing. This possibility can manifest as a result of extremely radical approaches. Diplomacy and the inclusion of others can only help your causes." http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm#hr11

does this resonate?

"Ruler of the Eleventh House is in the Twelfth House
Worries and troubles through friends. Loss of dear ones, unfaithfulness. Dissolution of partnership."
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
now the planets helping you are the aries stellium as there are 3sextiles here

With your prog sun conj natal moon in 11th, perhaps you should *affirm* this time to be a positive renewal and time of strength, espec with regards friends, hopes and wishes. Do you look to friends for emotional support?

I also notice your prog Asc at 14'cancer is fast approaching POF late 1st at 16'

Also your prog Asc isconj sirius now...

"Sirius 14’ Cancer/14’ 13 – fortunate – Jupiter/mars
Ambition, pride, emotionality, fame, leadership, wealth, fires, drought, danger through impetuosity. Sirius was worshipped in many cultures; its heliacal rising signalled the peak of summer, the annual flooding of the Nile and the beginning of the ancient Egyptian calendar" http://www.astrologycom.com/fixedstars.html#Cancer

See I found something positive .

"This child has Mars in the 12th House, which is not an easy placement for Mars. The energy can be stifled in this house. These children may often be afraid to assert themselves. They can feel defeated before they start, convinced that making any efforts to be seen, or heard, would be futile. The child could express this by being tired all the time. This attitude may have resulted from being with people who have not encouraged him or her very much. Somehow the self-confidence needs to be built and the courage instilled to disregard anyone that tries to inflict negativity.

These children tend to work in secret and to act behind people's backs. They should try to avoid this. Unfortunately, this child can possibly be blamed for things for which they are not responsible, so always check the facts. A total lack of self-confidence can make him/her so afraid of direct action that the natural course is to do everything indirectly. But deep down, this can be a very strong little person. He or she will just need to get over these hang-ups. Or the child will need to be fortunate enough that someone recognizes early to start building up that confidence. Many athletes and surgeons have this placement." http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/marsinhouses.html

you've prob read the above before, so just to remind you. to read the full article click on link....

"This is why people with the twelfth house strongly represented have such spiritual potential. The level of soul is compensating them for the personality’s handicaps." http://www.dkfoundation.co.uk/dkfoundation/dkfArtTwelfthHouse.htm

sometimes mars in 12th can be bullied by family members or partners as they can be seen as an easy touch. Mars, sexual desire, previously unacknowledged resentments, and a restlessness which goads you to keep busy.

With mars here, you may in particular be threatened by competition and prefer to work on your own, or in an environment free from external pressures. Often, the twelfth house desire to remain in the background result in indirect or evasive action.To assert yourself or express your anger in subtle, circuitous ways, such as by making wisecracks or by edging your way to the front of a line rather than overtly asserting yourself.

Were you a 'little terror' at the naughty two age, full of beans, wearing your parents out? Were you poss punished for having temper tantrums, sent to your room maaybe? thereby learning not to express yourself overtly, because you learnt at a very young age, it didn't bring the results you wanted....

Sextile and/or trines to twelfth house planets also direct the energy of the planets into other houses, where they can be constructively expressed or where they can find a means of escape from their conflicts. Sextile and trines are easier to handle than squares because energy flows freely into an outlet which provides some satisfaction.

Your Venus ruler of 12th conj sun, shows you are a gentle person inside, but venus has squares to saturn and neptune so is -considered afflicted.the nature of this planet (venus), sign and house may likewise indicate your means of channeling your twelfth house energy, or seeking compensation for its unresolved issues.

How do you feel your venus 10th operates? do you want to become known for something, or do you poss push a partner to achieve?

posted February 05, 2012 09:00 AM            

Not sure I can say I've ever been ignored? But it is a struggle.
I've found I don't know what I really want - out of life, out of relationships, in a career, etc. It's almost like I'm scared to admit what I want or dream about b/c there's shame in saying it b/c I don't know if I have the guts to go after it.

There's also a bit about repressed anger. I can't say I carry around a lot of anger. Maybe when I was younger, but these days I don't even bother. Life is too short to get upset about the little things. I avoid conflict and am sort of "numb" to yelling.

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posted February 05, 2012 12:51 PM              

SaggiMC - Yes, I am tired often. Yes, I do push my partners and friends. I have dreams of my own but don't know how to go about starting them/doubt myself, so I find it easier to push others. Is Mars in 12th cause someone to be subjective, or is it just that way because it's hard to see ourselves objectively?

I would put up my chart but I don't want this moved to Personal Readings, and am afraid of that happening.

I didn't know Mars in 12th indicated knowing past life friends!!! A psychic told me my best friend and I knew each other because I rescued her from a brothel. Two of the guys I've been involved with have had a heavy feeling of karma and recognizing one another from a past life. There was a hidden element to both of them, one which I believe included his unfaithfulness.

So would Mars in 12th indicate someone who could be unfaithful, or does it only mean that if their Mars/your Mars falls in the other person's 12th house in Synastry?

As for the progressed Sun/Moon aspect - funny you should say that as I'd been doing really good with being positive and changing my attitude until recently. That's how it seems to go for me is up, down, then really up, and then back down. It's like I can't just leave the "down" part behind.

And yes, I was bullied by my parents quite often. I had a good childhood overall but they could be really unnecessary at some times.

If I overtly assert myself I come off as wanting an argument/fight I think. I don't like giving that impression.

A lot of people tell me I need to work on my confidence, and it baffles me. Do other Mars in 12th housers experience this too? I think I have confidence, I'm just not COCKY, and many people will confuse the two.

"Your Venus ruler of 12th conj sun, shows you are a gentle person inside, but venus has squares to saturn and neptune so is -considered afflicted.the nature of this planet (venus), sign and house may likewise indicate your means of channeling your twelfth house energy, or seeking compensation for its unresolved issues."

Yes, gentle. I'm always known as the "funny" one, too. I don't think my temper would shock anyone though. I speak without editing most of the time...
I don't know how my Venus squares would trigger my 12th house though, unless I'm misunderstanding?

posted February 05, 2012 03:55 PM            

Yes, true about being ignored, and I spent my childhood often being blamed for things I had nothing whatsoever to do with. It made me withdrawn, and secretive. Any time I tried to do something direct, I'd be pounced on by adults and peers. I learned it was easier to do things on the sly, than be yelled at for something incredibly minor.

posted February 05, 2012 05:03 PM              

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So would Mars in 12th indicate someone who could be unfaithful, or does it only mean that if their Mars/your Mars falls in the other person's 12th house in Synastry?

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synastry is a whole different ball game than natal..

do the research...

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posted February 06, 2012 07:50 AM            

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Originally posted by bluegreyeyes:
12th house Mars in Pisces here...
I've found I don't know what I really want - out of life, out of relationships, in a career, etc. It's almost like I'm scared to admit what I want or dream about b/c there's shame in saying it b/c I don't know if I have the guts to go after it...

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Mars in Pisces, 12H too, it's true for me...Plus, Mars is my chart ruler, and it's 29th deg of Pisces, and my ASC is 29 deg too, of Aries...

I have no confidence, I have a lot of anger & I don't know where it's coming from, my problems get overlooked by others easily, it's expected of me to understand everybody's situation, but nobody really understands mine, even if I talk about it openly, and I do, but they either don't get it or think I'm imagining, it'll pass, it's just a phase, bad mood, etc. or even that I'm exaggerating things...

posted February 06, 2012 10:15 AM              

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Originally posted by Chaos:
my problems get overlooked by others easily, it's expected of me to understand everybody's situation, but nobody really understands mine, even if I talk about it openly.

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Absolutely! I agree 110% with this.

However, I wonder if it's Mars that blocks us from realizing they DO understand or maybe Mars in the 12th house can make someone dramatic in their expression because it's been bottled up for so long?

posted February 06, 2012 03:43 PM              

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Originally posted by Chaos:
Mars in Pisces, 12H too, it's true for me...Plus, Mars is my chart ruler, and it's 29th deg of Pisces, and my ASC is 29 deg too, of Aries...

I have no confidence, I have a lot of anger & I don't know where it's coming from, my problems get overlooked by others easily, it's expected of me to understand everybody's situation, but nobody really understands mine, even if I talk about it openly, and I do, but they either don't get it or think I'm imagining, it'll pass, it's just a phase, bad mood, etc. or even that I'm exaggerating things...

There are no positive sides to Mars in 12th, as far as I'm concerned...and now Uranus is transiting my Mars (that already squares Uranus natally) and it makes it even worse...

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Do you want to post your chart? most of what you say is coming from your pisces Asc..

Pisces Asc thread. http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40284
Pisces Asc (along with gemini) is probably one of the most difficult in childhood. With pisces they are sooo impressionable, easily manipulated and make lots of sacrifices trying to please family to much

Now if you mars is within 5' of Asc or closer, it's considered more effective in the next house along. If it's within this degree and you feel it operates IN 12th then maybe your TOB is out slightly?

1' on Asc = approx 4minutes in real time

Saturn in 1st, conj Asc, hard aspect to MC will knock your confidence. Mercury hard aspect to Saturn will knock your with communications to...

posted February 06, 2012 03:44 PM              

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Absolutely! I agree 110% with this.

However, I wonder if it's Mars that blocks us from realizing they DO understand or maybe Mars in the 12th house can make someone dramatic in their expression because it's been bottled up for so long?

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Well perhaps now if you have accepted your mars IS in 12th you may abandon (finally) whole sign..

posted February 06, 2012 03:51 PM              

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Ami - About what you said concerning Mars in 12th having the same affect as the Moon. Well, when I use Whole Signs my moon IS in the 12th house. Talk about a double whammy. Kind of.

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Moon in 12th on *some level* may have a resentment towards mother (depending on aspects) could be smother loved or emotionally neglected...

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SaggiMC - Yes, I am tired often. Yes, I do push my partners and friends. I have dreams of my own but don't know how to go about starting them/doubt myself, so I find it easier to push others. Is Mars in 12th cause someone to be subjective, or is it just that way because it's hard to see ourselves objectively?

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posted February 06, 2012 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I get that the 12th house is hidden in nature, but I ask because I'm tired of the consequences of having Mars in the 12th lol.

And how do you reverse the effects?
Is there ANY advantage to having Mars in the 12th?

I do think it's easier for me to keep my cool even when I'm boiling inside (with it there), but that's about it.

I have Mars in Gemini in the 12th (not using Whole Signs anymore. *sad face.*) I honestly think a big part of my low self-esteem is being ignored. I just got used to nobody considering me, without me taking the initiative. I've been trying to use whole signs so my Mars is in the 1st, but it doesn't work. I feel the effects of Mars in 12th too much.

I hope this doesn't get moved to Personal Readings... I just gave my own opinion on it to kick off others'.

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posted February 07, 2012 12:51 AM              

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Originally posted by MertSerimer:
It is because you dont know how to express your mars so nobody cares people with no "MARS" SUCH AS ambition, drive, etc.. Except some naive people, they care everyone else so i am keeping them out of this.

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