posted August 26, 2012 06:31 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
ShadowLeo - I have Mars in the 12th (obviously...hence the thread!) and I'm extremely aggressive and a quick switch too. My anger is no secret or suppressed, it's just hard to communicate it other than violence or screaming/yelling.

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posted August 26, 2012 06:51 PM              

I LOVE that blog! It's a really good source and usually pretty accurate. The more I read about Mars in the 12th the more I thought about my mother. She's like that. I wonder if she displays such reaction because I don't, thus "I attract what I'm not" type of deal.

posted August 26, 2012 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I will put some info up about Mars in the 12th. It is VERY, VERY hard to have Mars there. You are not imagining things.

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I have jusst had Mars transit through my 12th and Saturn is smack dab on my Ascendant right now....i cannot even begin to tell you..i have been wrong in ever way possible... I have been having eXtreme lows and highs...ive been very explosive with people...I try really hard to keep my anger under conrtol now a days. I have zero paitence right now.

posted August 27, 2012 01:39 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
You know, if I use whole signs my Mars falls in my 1st house.

I will say though I have trouble asserting myself. When I do assert myself I feel whiny, pushy and uncomfortable although my requests aren't abnormal or very inconvenient. Little things...for example I always drive my friends whereever we go. Some of it is that I like to drive fast, some of it is I like being in control of where we go, and some of it is I don't want to make my friends drive their cars. However, once in awhile I will ask my friends to drive but it's uncomfortable to do that because I usually do and thus I feel it's my responsibility. I think a normal Mars person would remember the majority of the time they drive and not feel awkward at all asking or working out a deal that's more 50/50.

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...that would be more accurate - for one with Mars in House 1/ASC - to behave like that:

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
[B]ShadowLeo - I have Mars in the 12th (obviously...hence the thread!) and I'm extremely aggressive and a quick switch too. My anger is no secret or suppressed, it's just hard to communicate it other than violence or screaming/yelling.

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posted August 27, 2012 04:39 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Instead of re-uploading it, here's a recent link to my chart! It's near the top of the page.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/215282.html

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Might have been more subjective - having a Mars in 12 house as well..

...i see, so you're an Aries both hearth (Sun) and mind (Mercury), your Mars is indeed in house 12 but it's not a "pure" placement - being in conjunction with the Ascendant (house 1) - that being the only negative/chalenging aspect and a clear aspect for what you stated above as in:

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I will say though I have trouble asserting myself. When I do assert myself I feel whiny, pushy and uncomfortable although my requests aren't abnormal or very inconvenient. Little things...for example I always drive my friends whereever we go. Some of it is that I like to drive fast, some of it is I like being in control of where we go, and some of it is I don't want to make my friends drive their cars. However, once in awhile I will ask my friends to drive but it's uncomfortable to do that because I usually do and thus I feel it's my responsibility. I think a normal Mars person would remember the majority of the time they drive and not feel awkward at all asking or working out a deal that's more 50/50.

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...as saying goes "stuck between a rock and a hard place" that fits pretty well this placement - you wanna take action, since you feel like it's your nature to do so - yet sometimes you simply can't take action... well trust me on this one, it's much better than if it was a pure 12 House placement - especially for a Aries like you with Gemini Asc - if it was a pure placement in House 12 you'd go nuts ... if it was in House 1, well... multiply this with x2:

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I'm extremely aggressive and a quick switch too. My anger is no secret or suppressed, it's just hard to communicate it other than violence or screaming/yelling.

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...it's true that you'd be a front line warrior, maybe even a leader but all in 1 - you'd be a different person that the one your now and maybe that spot was already taken.

...but maybe you were concentrating to much on Mars, wile the other hard aspect comes from Mercury:

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Mercury square or opposition Saturn

Saturn connected to a personal planet in hard aspect has a censoring effect on the planet involved. With Mercury in hard aspect to Saturn, whatever the person says and writes is self-censored to some degree. It's hard for these people to pour out their emotions, no matter how emotional or needy they feel on the inside. This is because they are always aware of what others might think of them with what they say. They are not necessarily deliberate talkers or thinkers. In other words, they don't always pick and choose their words carefully or speak slowly. However, they are careful with what they reveal to others. They make plenty of disclaimers, and often come across as negative or sarcastic without intending to. These are people who review conversations they've had with others, and who often kick themselves for saying something they didn't intend to, or for not saying something witty. Saturn tends to have a hobbling effect, and when it's attached to the planet of communication in hard aspect, there can be some feelings of insecurity about how we speak and communicate in general. These people tend to worry about what they've said and how they could have said it better. Some older astrology texts suggest that there can be learning disorders or "slowness" with this aspect, but this is rarely the case. In fact, many people with this aspect are very strong academically. The flow of their communication is blocked in some manner, however, and this is due to an automatic "self-censoring" tendency. Self-consciousness and hypersensitivity is experienced with regards to their intelligence and ability to get ideas across to others, especially in youth. These people need plenty of positive feedback from others in order to feel more confident and less "blocked".

If you have this aspect in your chart, recognize that you are most likely harder on yourself about how you communicate than others are. Ask people close to you for an objective point of view. Chances are, they find you to be astute, intelligent, and an effective speaker or writer. We often tell our kids "don't worry about what others think", but telling this to a person with a hard Saturn aspects is not enough, nor is it realistic. They will worry. Instead, I have found that the best way to handle difficult Saturn aspects is to get objective feedback from others! Mercury-Saturn people don't accept compliments whole-heartedly, yet they crave them and need them. Others around them tend to stop complimenting them, feeling that they either don't need compliments or don't want to hear them. Nothing can be further than the truth!

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Mercury square or opposition Neptune

You might have problems concentrating because your mind is often wandering. Your thinking is exceptionally imaginative, intuitive, and creative. Stretching the truth, whether done consciously or not (or a bit of both), is associated with this position. Bored with anything dull, routine, or lifeless, you often dramatize or connect higher meaning to ordinary events and situations. You are often vague in your communications, purposefully or not, as you resist being pinned down to any one opinion or stance. This is partly due to your ability to see so many different points of view and perspectives. Logical, detail-oriented work and studies are not designed for your way of thinking and learning. Creative presentations, ripe with images and imagery, are what grab your attention and interest. Your style of communication, or possibly thinking, is often self-defeating, and you should consciously avoid a tendency to give up on projects or plans before they even get off the ground. Planning ahead is not a preference, as you prefer to move along running on the fuel of inspiration and intuition.

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posted August 29, 2012 06:32 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Lol sorry. I got yours and 12thhouser's screen name mixed up. Thanks for the descriptions, they were super accurate! Still wondering why people told me the orbs were too wide though. If you have an aspect, how is someone going to say it doesn't count because of such and such? You'd think it plays out either way.

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Some astrologers (if not most) concentrate only on 3 - 6 degree orbs for major aspects - those being known as more influential - that and "they don't want to overwhelm their clients with to much info" - which works for them as well - a chart being hard to go thru... the thing is - most people that are interested in a Natal chart - don't have the memory debit to take in all the given info - even tho they can confirm that it's accurate - they forget most details, concentrating mostly on those they see more important (love, money health... etc) - in their situation 3 degree aspects being more than enough (generally speaking).

...but since you found an interest in astrology - you probably wanted to dabble more with your natal chart - till you understand it better - and if you made it this far and still around - you might find that even 10 degree orbs (which is default for astro.com) have their importance - especially since you can confirm that they were influential for your life - and they deserve a level of interest... i started with default values (10 degree orbs) - cause this is detailed astrology and don't wanna ignore certain aspects - which i can't deny either... yet, as a priority - i don't see a problem in staring with 3 - 6 degree orbs for major aspects - those being more influential and if that doesn't help enough - see if the detail version helps more in understanding certain things. ^^

...on astro.com default value is 100% for a 10 degree orb, if you want lower values - like 3 or 6 - you simply set it for 30% or 60%.

posted August 29, 2012 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by kama:
Better for them to dance or to make sports. or tai chi.
Many dancers and sportsmen have mars 12th!
politicians also - which might be quite symbolic?
kama

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posted August 29, 2012 06:32 PM              

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Originally posted by kama:
Better for them to dance or to make sports. or tai chi.
Many dancers and sportsmen have mars 12th!
politicians also - which might be quite symbolic?
kama

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posted August 30, 2012 04:05 AM            

His mars in12 th widely conjunct AC, trin urenus in (8th)

posted August 30, 2012 04:34 AM              

Sun, Mercury, and Venus all in Aries (and in the 11th H) sextile Mars.

Mars inquincunx Pluto in Scorpio in the 5th