posted February 08, 2012 02:18 PM            

Were you able to help them overcome, or was it just a lost cause?

How did you deal with them? How did they affect you?

posted February 08, 2012 07:26 PM            

As a couple we brought out the worst in each other. Once we parted ways-I don't know if I'd say I saved him because you can't save anyone, but you can help people who are ready for change and my role I think was to bring him to the cross roads-where he had to decide weather or not he was going to change. I was a catalyst for that. I learned alot from my experiences with him and he did make it possible for me to become a mom.

posted February 09, 2012 07:48 AM            

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Guilt looms large with this placement of Saturn although it is generalized rather than specific guilt. It may cause a man to seek penance through solitude, or there may be religious penance in the literal sense resulting in the monk or the nun. It may apparently be involuntary penance as is the case with incarceration; but the man himself chooses this course although he may not consciously believe he will have to pay. It may result in sickness or withdrawal from conscious awareness through drugs, alcohol, or insanity. Or it may be much more subtle and less drastic, as in the case of the man who is always alone and always feels separation from the rest of humanity and the rest of life, no matter how many people he surrounds himself with.
~~By Liz Greene, A New Look at an Old Devil~~

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Drugs, gambling to an absurd degree and mental hospitalization on a regular basis.
Even his psychiatrist couldn't see what the real problem was: his *MOM*.
Him full of guilt to her about a failed life while her actions were nothing but a sustaining of that guilt.
He couldn't face that and so besides his escapism he vented the subconscious hate to mom by treating the women in his life like CRAP!
Only when I FELT like crap and we broke up because of that I could come out with this underlying truth. Two times I wrote his mom a letter (gave him a copy) and the very last time (after our definite break up) it was a letter of 4 full pages in which nothing left unsaid. The exact effect of that will prob. always be a mystery (don't want to see him again) but I know I must have opened up something.. (already had with my first letter but obviously not enough) and to me it was also a definite good-bye.

posted February 09, 2012 09:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
Hmm sounds intense :>

Is that more of a 12th house thing or more of a synastry issue you guys probably have? Like a hard aspect to something important?

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I don't even know what to look for. Here's the synastry chart.

posted February 09, 2012 09:31 AM            

I wanted to know how people dealt with 12th house planet people..and if there were any in synastry.

posted February 09, 2012 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
He had Saturn in the 12th:

Drugs, gambling to an absurd degree and mental hospitalization on a regular basis.
Even his psychiatrist couldn't see what the real problem was: his *MOM*.
Him full of guilt to her about a failed life while her actions were nothing but a sustaining of that guilt.
He couldn't face that and so besides his escapism he vented the subconscious hate to mom by treating the women in his life like CRAP!
Only when I FELT like crap and we broke up because of that I could come out with this underlying truth. Two times I wrote his mom a letter (gave him a copy) and the very last time (after our definite break up) it was a letter of 4 full pages in which nothing left unsaid. The exact effect of that will prob. always be a mystery (don't want to see him again) but I know I must have opened up something.. (already had with my first letter but obviously not enough) and to me it was also a definite good-bye.

Btw, I have Sun and SN in the 12th.
And my Venus was conjunct his Saturn in the 12th.

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The current man I'm seeing has saturn conjunct sun in 12th.

I'm also a sun in 12th person natally.

What you put up in regards to saturn in 12th has made me really think into this. Thanks for sharing!

It is difficult, least to say. I am still experiencing T Saturn thru my 12th house conjunct sun in Libra...I must say, it does not feel good at all...

posted February 09, 2012 09:39 AM            

F!ck, if he isn't hating the world for what it is, the world is hating him. Often times, both are happening and he winds up finding death appealing, but not wanting to "go through with it".

posted February 09, 2012 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Chironrising:
my vlog response 12th house... http://youtu.be/apirlLN4nFk

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D: I'm at work right now, so I'll definitely take a look at your response when I get home!

posted February 09, 2012 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Starry~*:
D: I'm at work right now, so I'll definitely take a look at your response when I get home!

Thanks!

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posted February 09, 2012 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Chironrising:
lol

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yeyeyeye you said you agreed with me, woo!

posted February 09, 2012 12:42 PM            

It's very easy for us to lose ourselves in the emotional undercurrents and vibes around us. I think strong 12th house influenced people have a very loose sense of identity. I find myself quickly picking up others' mannerisms and ways of expression, without even realizing it. This does do wonders for me as an actor, but in my everyday life I'd like to be more grounded.

The 12th house person needs to have a very clear and solid sense of self. If not, they are just sort of an aimless vessel. I've read it takes 'individual awareness' to master this house. When you remain an individual instead of having an always boundless sense of self, you can channel the 12th house's energy in positive ways (infinite creativity, compassion, psychic abilities).

Letting go of the victim mentality is also a biggie. I've just realized how much I victimize myself and how it's been setting me up for failure, thus repeating the cycle.

posted February 09, 2012 01:07 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
I'm a 12th house person (Saturn, Uranus, Neptune). I think the toughest things for us are establishing clear boundaries and a clear sense of direction.

It's very easy for us to lose ourselves in the emotional undercurrents and vibes around us. I think strong 12th house influenced people have a very loose sense of identity. I find myself quickly picking up others' mannerisms and ways of expression, without even realizing it. This does do wonders for me as an actor, but in my everyday life I'd like to be more grounded.

The 12th house person needs to have a very clear and solid sense of self. If not, they are just sort of an aimless vessel. I've read it takes 'individual awareness' to master this house. When you remain an individual instead of having an always boundless sense of self, you can channel the 12th house's energy in positive ways (infinite creativity, compassion, psychic abilities).

Letting go of the victim mentality is also a biggie. I've just realized how much I victimize myself and how it's been setting me up for failure, thus repeating the cycle.

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You're dead on with this. The question is..how exactly are we able to do this? It takes awareness but I believe it also takes confidence, esteem to be able to carry out our development.

I also know that I lack alot of confidence and self esteem. I feel helpless when I am facing troubles...I do victimize myself...and everybody close to me says "So do something about it!!!!!!!" and my response would be a blank stare.

How exactly do I do something about it? I'm afraid to approach it and I'm afraid of the "doing" because I am afraid of failure.

That's why I sometimes feel that it's HARD for people to relate to me...it REALLY is...atleast in this aspect.

Someone with 12th house planets vs. someone who does not.

**EDIT** I just realized...I just made myself sound like a victim...again...LOL!!!!