posted March 09, 2012 02:41 PM            

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Sun trine Moon -2°16s
Venus square Venus -0°10a
Mars sextile Moon ' 5°27s
Moon conjunct ASC ' 5°48s

Is there a difference between how you percieve one another? e.g. when someones Moon is trine the others Venus would they be attracted in different ways?

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posted March 09, 2012 02:49 PM            

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posted March 09, 2012 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I truly want your opinions, input, experiences etc

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posted March 09, 2012 05:27 PM            

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Originally posted by SaggiMC:
yes it CAN be a divorce aspect it can also suggest that uranus needs a bit of excitement every now and then. You never can tell with uranus. Plus it's important to look if uranus is retro (which is very common) as this will lessen the effects and/or need for freedom...

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posted March 09, 2012 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

Yes Faith You understand what I am saying.I am not saying a relationship without this or that is worthless.I am just trying to describe the different flavors of aspects so as to try to identity what we want the most or to see why some relationships do not fit.

If you have a Moon/Pluto conjunction, that is one of the strongest bonds between people.
It is different than moon trine moon in that it is one person's deepest heart touching another person's primal passions. I see this as a fierce kind of animal love feeling.Do you agree?

Moon trine moon would be 2 children who were best friends.

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Hi Amy,

I'm a little squeamish about fessing up to things on a public forum but here goes:

When we fell in love it was totally explosive and like a force of nature ("animal love.") We have that moon-Pluto conjunction, and transiting Pluto was conjunct his Saturn and my Venus. We decided to get married after one date. (Anyone surprised? )

Sometimes I still get butterflies around him.

But our suns are quincunx (wide orb, not sure if they are even officially quincunx), our moons are quincunx (ditto for the wide orb) and my sun is square his moon. I'm a Rabbit, he's a Rooster.

In some ways he's the materialization of my wildest hopes and dreams...yet it's not all comfy cozy. It's not easy, but do-able and sometimes, once in a while, sublime.

Not always, just occasionally. Maybe because of transits or maybe I just get things right.

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posted March 09, 2012 10:11 PM            

About the Venus square Venus thing…

Here’s an interesting thing I’ve noticed about squares during my observations over the years…. Squares can be either good or bad, depending on the situation and the rest of the synastry between two people… Sometimes squares are just about adding intensity, spice, challenge, and exciting change into a relationship… a synastry that completely lacks hard aspects runs the danger of becoming stagnant and boring… like there is nothing to ’work’ on together… although, it is also true that if there are too many hard aspects in a synastry, that there may be so many difficulties and challenges that the two people involved actually wind up being unable to stand each other…

posted March 09, 2012 10:12 PM            

Soft aspects tend to make everything run smoothly, like a well oiled machine. But if the machine is always running smoothly we might take it’s functioning for granted, and become apathetic in our attitudes toward it. Soft aspects stabilize things. They are comforting and add security to a relationship… but they can also lull us into a rut where we have little motivation to alter the status quo …. Hard aspects create excitement and drama. The well oiled machine of the soft aspects will jam up, or malfunction under hard aspects, and it’s up to us to figure out what to do to get it working well again…. Do we add more oil? Did it run out of fuel? Do we need to tighten some screws inside the machine so that it stops jamming? Hard aspects make us stand up and pay attention to an issue. They force us to take action, and to think about things that we normally wouldn’t even consider… they are the road to change and progress. Squares especially have a tendency to keep us on our toes and make us ‘work’ on things… but the payoff of squares in synastry is plenty of activity and excitement in our lives, and the feeling of having achieved some feat together… certainly the relationship will not be boring…. Of course too many hard aspects can be exhausting to live with in the long term… as there is always some issue that demands your attention and very little respite from hectic pace that hard aspects create…

The best scenario is the have a nice firm base of stabilizing soft aspects (and conjunctions), especially with synastry involving the Big Three… the Sun, the Moon, and the Asc…. This will give a relationship a strong potential for longevity and endurance…plus a few hard aspects to add exciting developments and change occasionally… in general, I’d say you’d need a ratio of about three soft aspects to every hard aspect in the synastry…

posted March 09, 2012 10:13 PM            

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Interesting topic Ami Anne!

About the Venus square Venus thing…

Here’s an interesting thing I’ve noticed about squares during my observations over the years…. Squares can be either good or bad, depending on the situation and the rest of the synastry between two people… Sometimes squares are just about adding intensity, spice, challenge, and exciting change into a relationship… a synastry that completely lacks hard aspects runs the danger of becoming stagnant and boring… like there is nothing to ’work’ on together… although it is also true that if there are two many hard aspects in a synastry, that there may be so many difficulties and challenges that the two people involved actually wind up being unable to stand each other…

For instance, sometimes Venus square Venus simply represents intensity in terms of attraction… being extremely attracted, extremely affectionate, and likeing each other a lot despite having different social styles (sometimes they are fascinated by each other for these differences)… on the other hand, in some cases Venus square Venus can actually refer to being repulsed by the other person… and finding their behavior inappropriate or even disgusting… squares are unpredictable in that they can either refer too intense attraction or intense repulsion…. I guess it’s up to us to use our intuition, and common sense to read the other person to figure out which one it is…

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posted March 09, 2012 10:14 PM            

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This is what I’ve noticed about aspects in synastry in general…

Soft aspects tend to make everything run smoothly, like a well oiled machine. But if the machine is always running smoothly we might take it’s functioning for granted, and become apathetic in our attitudes toward it. Soft aspects stabilize things. They are comforting and add security to a relationship… but they can also lull us into a rut where we have little motivation to alter the status quo …. Hard aspects create excitement and drama. The well oiled machine of the soft aspects will jam up, or malfunction under hard aspects, and it’s up to us to figure out what to do to get it working well again…. Do we add more oil? Did it run out of fuel? Do we need to tighten some screws inside the machine so that it stops jamming? Hard aspects make us stand up and pay attention to an issue. They force us to take action, and to think about things that we normally wouldn’t even consider… they are the road to change and progress. Squares especially have a tendency to keep us on our toes and make us ‘work’ on things… but the payoff of squares in synastry is plenty of activity and excitement in our lives, and the feeling of having achieved some feat together… certainly the relationship will not be boring…. Of course too many hard aspects can be exhausting to live with in the long term… as there is always some issue that demands your attention and very little respite from hectic pace that hard aspects create…

The best scenario is the have a nice firm base of stabilizing soft aspects (and conjunctions), especially with synastry involving the Big Three… the Sun, the Moon, and the Asc…. This will give a relationship a strong potential for longevity and endurance…plus a few hard aspects to add exciting developments and change occasionally… in general, I’d say you’d need a ratio of about three soft aspects to every hard aspect in the synastry…

However… people with a lot of hard aspects already in their natals may have a stronger tolerance for a higher ratio of hard aspects in their synastry… this is because their natural mode of operation is more intense and highly strung then average. They can just handle it better….. The opposite is true for people with a lot of soft aspects in their natal…. They people usually abhor too much stress and drama, and may have very little tolerance for harsh aspects in synastry…

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posted March 09, 2012 10:15 PM            

Agreed. And I have to admit that I too, have certain things I look for when evaluating synastry…

What I love to see in terms of synastry aspects, firstly, is some soft aspects or conjunctions between the luminaries… like Sun/Moon, Sun/Sun, and Moon/Moon… when you see these in synastry you know that the people involved really ‘feel’ for each other on a profound, personal level…. Aspects involving the Asc to the Sun or the Moon are also highly significant, and indicate a strong, meaningful identification with each other…

I’m with Ami on the Moon/Moon soft and conjunction aspects being amazing in synastry… this aspect shows that two people can be vulnerable with each other on a most intimate level, and that they have a strong emotional bond that goes beyond superficial ‘romance’…. you feel like you belong together, like your part of the same unit. The other person tugs at your heart strings and you just want to take care of them, and make sure that they are always comfortable and happy…

The next thing I look for is personal planets aspecting the luminaries and the Asc…. If the big three are not mutually aspecting each other… then things like personal planets conjunct or trine the big three really helps…

This includes things like… Venus aspecting the Sun, Moon, or Asc, Mars Aspecting the Sun, Moon or Asc, and Mercury aspecting the Sun, Moon or Asc… Mercury is not especially passionate but communication is undeniably an important facet of any relationship… and even though Jupiter is technically not a personal planet, Jupiter in positive aspect to one of the Big Three is lovely to have because it generates immense liking and positivity between people in a relationship….

Next I look at all aspects involving the personal planets…. With other personal planets and between personal planets and outer planets… Saturn aspecting ‘anything’ to me stands out as being important for providing realism, stability and a sense of responsibility towards each other in a relationship… if Saturn aspects are lacking then perhaps a plethora of soft aspects can make up for this as they do confer stability (but a part of me doubts this)… Saturn aspects bring about dedication to each other…

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posted March 09, 2012 10:17 PM            

Uranus adds electric excitement, involvement in the social whirl, fascinations with the bizarre and extraordinary, and shocking unexpected occurrences between two people… soft aspects are like pleasant surprises, while hard aspects can range from frustratingly disturbing to ecstatically exciting…. I’d say hard aspects between Uranus and personal planets are easier to handle then with Neptune and Pluto, because although Uranus can be disruptive it is very direct, and you’re usually very clear at least on what’s happening…. Uranus also has an oddly telepathic quality to it….like we’re able to tune into each other’s thoughts. If you enjoy crazy coincidences, sparkling chemistry, and absurd happenings… then you’ll love having Uranus synastry rock you’re world.

Neptune hard aspects to personal planets are perhaps the worst…. As there can be confusion as to what is really going on…. there is a danger deception, or even just misreading the situation and blundering… On the positive side soft aspects, or conjunctions to Neptune from personal planets in synastry are like floating along in a dream together (only with conjunctions to Mercury might create unclear communications). There’s a feeling of immense compassion and empathy for the other person… where you love them ‘warts and all’… these aspects can also have quite a glamorous allure, and the relationship often has a ‘fantasy come true’ element to it… we are able to overlook each other‘s flaws and see the sublime beauty in each other… if your a romantic, idealistic type Neptune aspects are for you.

With Pluto issues for sexuality, and the power balance between the two individuals come to the fore….hard aspects can often point towards particularly intense obsessions with one another… while soft aspects have a more gentle persuasive tone… With Pluto when there is confidence in the relationship there is this amazing, almost fanatical loyalty between two people…. However insecurity in the relationship can lead to mind games, manipulations and power play… especially from the Pluto person who likes to feel they are in control of the situation… a common theme with Pluto aspects to personal planets (with the exception of Mercury) is a hypnotic type of sexual attraction, and a fascination with what makes the other person tick…

So, yeah when it comes to outer planet/personal planet synastry, I think it depends on personal preferences as to what type of interactions are best for you….

posted March 09, 2012 10:22 PM            

When it comes to romantic relationships there are two factors I like to see, apart form the syanstry basics (interaspects involving the Big Three: the Sun, Moon, and Asc )…

These two things are evidence in the synastry of a physical attraction, and evidence in the synastry of an intellectual connection also…. This is because passion can only take you so far, but you need good communication to be friends as well as lovers, and for good compatibility over the long haul…

Mercury/Mercury aspects and Mercury/Uranus aspects are my personal favorites for good communication…. The conversations are often endless and fascinating with these aspects…

Mercury in soft aspects to the personal planets are also awesome for communication, as long as both people have their Mercury involved somehow…. For example person A has Mercury trine person B’s Sun, While person B has their Mercury conjunct person A’s Venus… both people has something interesting to say to each other when both have Mercury aspecting each other’s personal planets…

If Mercury aspects are completely missing for one of the partner’s in synastry, sometimes aspects to their Uranus may help make up for this, in terms of having an intellectual connection in the relationship…

Then there’s physical attraction…..

Physical attraction can occur between two people in many different ways via synastry…. The primary movers and shakers of physical attraction are Venus and Mars, (and to some extent the Sun and the Moon) although not always in aspect to each other!

Physical attraction and PERSONAL PLANETS…

From my point of view physical attraction can be caused by ANY aspect between the Sun, Moon, Mars and Venus… only tone or quality of the attraction is different depending on what planets are involved…

Any of the aspects involving Mars tend to be more specifically sexual then those that don’t. This includes Mars/Venus, Mars/Moon, Mars/Sun, and Mars/Mars….

If an aspect includes Venus, and not Mars, there may not be the same sexual tone to the aspect, but there’s a strong sensual quality there…. Like finding each other beautiful, and wanting to touch, hug, kiss and caress… and just generally drink in the other person with your senses… This includes Venus/Sun, Venus/Moon, and Venus/Venus…

A special note about Venus and Mars… Venus/Mars aspects tend to be quite ‘ideal’ in the romantic sense as it involves the symbolism of the beautiful young maiden (Venus) and the virile young man (Mars)…. This is like the ideal courtship aspect, like a perfect balance of passion and tenderness (not that all synastries need this aspect). It’s a very flirty combo!

When Venus and Mars are aspecting it really doesn’t matter which one is the Mars and which one is the Women…. Attraction can occur either way…

Hard aspects are passionate and volatile… while soft aspects are warm, easy going, and sweet…

I’ve heard some astrologers claim that it’s actually better for a man’s Mars to aspect the women’s Venus…. Because he can act out his masculine ideal (his Mars) for her…. While she can act out her feminine ideal (her Venus) for him…

Then there’s another camp of astrologers that claim having her Mars aspected by his Venus is better… because then she can have her masculine ideal activated by him, while he has his feminine ideal is activated by her…

But the overall truth is that there is no confirmed consensus on which one is ‘better’. Different astrologers have different opinions….

My personal observation is that BOTH ways work….

The Mars person is attracted to Venus in a passionate, raw kind of way. Mars sees Venus as a beautiful, exquisite creature! To Mars, Venus possesses immense attractive power and sensual allure… And Mars often just wants to run up and grab Venus in a frisson of intensity…. Mars may put the Venus person on a pedestal, and often adores them for the gentle, loving side of their nature… Mars wants to chase and take Venus… to win the Venus person’s attention, love and respect…

The Venus person sees Mars as hot and exciting. Venus may find themselves melting into an affectionate, gooey puddle in response to the Mars person’s impressive sex appeal….. The Venus may greatly admire the Mars person for their forceful energy, and Mars brings out Venus‘ sweet, touchy feely, sensual side… Venus feels to urge to yield for Mars, and often has a loving, accommodating attitude towards the Mars person…

Which aspect is better depends on which role you want to take in the relationship…

And about orbs...Venus and Mars may not actually ‘feel’ each other in synastry if they are not aspecting within an orb of about five degrees or less…. If they are in compatible signs, but they are not aspecting, there may be a general harmony present in the sense that you both have similar attitudes about relationships…. But the ‘energy’ of attraction itself comes from actual aspects between these planets…

And, there are many other aspects in astrology that cause physical attraction…. So if there’s not a Venus/Mars aspect by degree and attraction is there… then some other synastry aspect is the culprit…

Aspects to the Asc/Dsc axis are particularly significant for physical attraction also… especially if this axis is aspected by Venus or Mars.

AND LETS NOT FORGET THE SUN AND THE MOON IN ASPECT…

The Sun and the Moon represent very core parts of our nature. They are very wholistic, and aspects between the Sun and the Moon are very primal and bonding on many levels… they have a strong psychological component of feeling very deeply another…. And, I’ve noticed, they also have a physical component to them as well…. It’s not quite mad passion as with a Mars type aspect….. But there is this physical urge towards union, because the Sun and the Moon complete each other somehow… it’s a pull from deep within…

If Venus/Mars is the young man and women in courtship… the Sun and the Moon are husband and wife!

Then there’s Moon/Moon, and Sun/Sun… with these ones I’m not entirely sure if they create physical attraction exactly (let me know if you’ve experienced this) but they do give a high degree of comfort… like if this person came up and hugged you unexpectedly, you’d probably be fine with it… As opposed to feeling invaded, or weirded out by the contact…. because there is a natural feeling of familiarity there coming from Sun/Sun and Moon/Moon aspects (at least the positive ones!).

Physical attraction that arises from aspects involving the OUTER PLANETS to personal ones….

I’ve touched on outer planet synastry earlier but not in terms of physical attraction.

When you think about Pluto and Mars are the most blatantly sexual planets… so it makes sense that any aspect to the Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars in synastry from these two would contribute to a very raw kind of physical attraction…. While Mars is vital and direct…. Pluto is more of an enticing smolder to it, Pluto in synastry slowly reels you in rather then aggressively pursues, like Mars does, and often tries to subtlety infiltrate their ‘prey’ on a psychological level, as well as on a physical one…

Uranus to Sun, Moon, Venus, or Mars can create attractions also…. Uranus attractions are very electric, exhilarating, and have a strong component of intellectual fascination with another…. There may be a weak physical attraction with aspects to the Sun and Moon (here the intellectual attraction is very strong though)…. but Uranus aspects to Mars and Venus (especially to Venus, as Venus is a feminine planet in relation to masculine Uranus) produce much stronger physical attractions… usually there is something deliciously ‘over-the-top’ and wild about the attraction…

posted March 09, 2012 10:24 PM            

I touched on this a little before, but here I’d like to get more specific…

Conjunctions are intense, direct, and have immense Oomph and power to them. A key word is BAM!!

Oppositions are intense too, and they also have a type of back and forth dialogue between the planets involved. They compare and contrast against each other, and there's a turn taking flow between them. Often there tends to be either envy and resentment, or admiration and appreciation, of each other’s differences (hopefully admiration)…. These aspects are about two people balancing and compensating for each other…

Trines are very agreeable, and there is a natural tendency to just flow, and melt into each other. This is a very ‘sweet’ aspect. A couple of good ones is wonderful in synastry! as trines tend to be soothing and reassuring… too many trines and things can become stagnant. Strong, flowing, steadying…

Sextiles are playful and kind of flirty! They tend to manifest like two buddies getting into some banter and conspiring together. The relationship is easy and light with the sextile. Very good aspect for friendship, along with attraction. Mild, easy, positive…

posted March 09, 2012 10:25 PM            

Attraction is more complicated then just interplanetary aspects. Venus/Mars aspects, for instance, do not always result in attraction. There have been plenty of people posting on this forum saying things like “I have Venus/Mars with my friend's brother but I’m not into him at all”, and so forth…

There are many other factors to consider like house overlays, and house ruler synastry (which I believe ‘triggers’ attraction and activates love planet synastry so that we can feel it in the first place, otherwise it may manifest in a platonic way). Also there are things like the Vertex, midpoints, and aspects to the Nodes to consider as well.

Synastry involving the 5th,7th and 8th house rulers, as well as the 5th , 7th and 8th house overlays themselves play a strong role in mate selection… especially in aspect to important parts of your partner’s chart. But this is like a whole other essay… it has a lot to do with your taste in terms of the type of partner you want, and how you want them to act…

Below I’m linking a previous thread on the topic of unrequited love. I posted a huge essay on this topic on my theories as to how house related synastry and planet on planet synastry interact to create attraction or not. For any who are interested you’ll see it when you scroll down.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206782.html

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posted March 09, 2012 10:36 PM            

For the record about Uranus..
My husbands moon opps my Uranus by 1orb..
Granted we arent together anymore, but we were together for 13 years...
It didnt end all just in one day.. It was time and circumstances,then after a long debate with myself.. I decided it was best to walk away....
Saturn in this case took over Uranus and stabilize us.
Also we are different nationalities, which is part of Uranus.. The "different" couple.

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Wow Lotis you are really awesome for taking the time to do all of that..
EXCELLENT READING MATERIAL!!

For the record about Uranus..
My husbands moon opps my Uranus by 1orb..
Granted we arent together anymore, but we were together for 13 years...
It didnt end all just in one day.. It was time and circumstances,then after a long debate with myself.. I decided it was best to walk away....
Saturn in this case took over Uranus and stabilize us.
Also we are different nationalities, which is part of Uranus.. The "different" couple.

He was on disability for many years.. I worked and he stayed home and cooked and cleaned...

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Interesting that a Moon opposite Uranus aspect involved a role reversal in terms of who was the home maker and who brought home the dough…. Yeah, if harsh Uranus aspects are balanced out by Saturn connections in the synastry then it makes total sense that a lengthy relationship can occur…. Uranus influenced relationships are more about being unique then it is about being fast…. Although squares way more volatile then oppositions and conjunctions…. Also, about the two of you being from different nationalities… That guy yourstruelyalways that goes on and on about his wife a lot (which is cool)…. where he is Asian and she is a white southern American, they shear a Venus\Uranus conjunction in synastry and have been married over 20 years I think… so being a ‘different’ couple is definitely a Uranus theme when it comes to synastry…

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... Can you talk a bit more about mercury/mercury hard aspects. I have the square with someone and we can't seem to stop talking when we are with each other. We don't argue so much, but definitely challenge each other and pull each other out of our mental comfort zones. There is sense of verbal freedom and raw honesty- that we can't shock each other no matter how off the wall the conversation gets. Nothing is sacred or taboo. Does this sound right for that aspect?

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