posted April 09, 2012 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Capriquarius:
7th house emphasis.

Just look at how many Hitler had. And he had Mercury conjunct the descendant and ruling the 11th - manipulating a large group through his words - as well as 9th (politics).

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Hitler wasn't the genius manipulator. That was Goebbels. Hitler was "just" the one those men chose to follow. Goebbels gave the genius speeches and made people excited for war.
He could manipulate people just by talking.
It was him who gave the most famous speech of that era with the quote "Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" ("Do you want the total war?")

Mercury, Sun, Mars and Uranus in SCORPIO in the 4th house

Moon in CAPRICORN in the 5th house

Venus and Jupiter in LIBRA in the 3rd house

Pluto and Neptune rx in GEMINI in the 11th house

ASC in LEO

posted April 09, 2012 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Hitler wasn't the genius manipulator. That was Goebbels. Hitler was "just" the one those men chose to follow. Goebbels gave the genius speeches and made people excited for war.
He could manipulate people just by talking.
It was him who gave the most famous speech of that era with the quote "Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" ("Do you want the total war?")

Mercury, Sun, Mars and Uranus in [b]SCORPIO in the 4th house

Moon in CAPRICORN in the 5th house

Venus and Jupiter in LIBRA in the 3rd house

Pluto and Neptune rx in GEMINI in the 11th house

ASC in LEO

Mercury conjunct Sun
Moon square Jupiter
Mercury trine Neptune[/B]

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posted April 09, 2012 07:31 PM            

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Originally posted by ariesdragon:
There's the afflicted moon lol Nicely written btw smiling heart

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Thanks!
Do you think it's the Moon?
Because he had

Moon square Venus
Moon opposition Neptune

too.

posted April 09, 2012 07:50 PM            

i have hitler's sun, venus, merc in h7.
merc conj desc ruling 11th.
also his cap jupiter.

i have globall's mars.
merc trine neppy tune.
his moon in cap h5 is like the inverse to my moon in leo h10.
moon square venus.
moon inconjunct neptune.

posted April 09, 2012 07:53 PM            

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Thanks!
Do you think it's the Moon?
Because he had

Moon square Venus
Moon opposition Neptune

too.

Ohh ya totally for sure!

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posted April 09, 2012 10:39 PM            

It's kind of scary, actually. Whenever he wants something or someone, he tells me in detail how he plans to "move the chess pieces around" or how he's going to "play the hand". The fact that he refers to people frequently as objects is what creeps me out the most.

True story, he used to like me a lot, but I liked his best friend, who or may not have liked me back. He told every guy in our department not to talk to me. He also told me negative things his best friend had supposedly said about me and at the same time, he told his best friend I wasn't interested and was just playing games, knowing full well that both of us were too shy to confront one another. He constantly tries to turn people against each other, and freely and proudly admits it.

posted April 09, 2012 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Pennylane:
Ha! This is funny. The most calculating and manipulative person I know has his sun in libra, moon in capricorn, mercury and venus in virgo, and mars in gemini.

It's kind of scary, actually. Whenever he wants something or someone, he tells me in detail how he plans to "move the chess pieces around" or how he's going to "play the hand". The fact that he refers to people frequently as objects is what creeps me out the most.

True story, he used to like me a lot, but I liked his best friend, who or may not have liked me back. He told every guy in our department not to talk to me. He also told me negative things his best friend had supposedly said about me and at the same time, he told his best friend I wasn't interested and was just playing games, knowing full well that both of us were too shy to confront one another. He constantly tries to turn people against each other, and freely and proudly admits it.

Oh man I could write a book about all the manipulation issues he has. Once he even told he how much he wants "pure power". Yeah.

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I can relate to him a lot actually. In the sense that I can do what he does. To me people are extremely logical and predictable and can easily be pushed to fall into certain paths and patterns. The difference is I know doing that sort of thing is very bad, and I have a moral code that forbids me from doing that unless there is a true purpose to it (which there honestly hasn't ever really been for a while now). It's satisfying to know that I have this skill, and part of me likes to brag about this ability because it is a strong point I have, and it is something that makes me stand out. I have to admit I'm doing it now by discussing it. It's a power thing, and as with any sort of power, it feels good to the one who uses it and wield it; it's an ego boost. It's a tempting thing let me tell you.

I also can relate to the "pure power" bit. I do desire that, and it took me until a few months ago to fully acknowledge that in myself. Now that I am aware of it though, I will not allow myself to be driven to that and it goes against everything I stand for.

posted April 09, 2012 11:44 PM              

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Originally posted by SmilingHeart:
Hitler wasn't the genius manipulator. That was Goebbels. Hitler was "just" the one those men chose to follow. Goebbels gave the genius speeches and made people excited for war.
He could manipulate people just by talking.
It was him who gave the most famous speech of that era with the quote "Wollt ihr den totalen Krieg?" ("Do you want the total war?")

Mercury, Sun, Mars and Uranus in [b]SCORPIO in the 4th house

Moon in CAPRICORN in the 5th house

Venus and Jupiter in LIBRA in the 3rd house

Pluto and Neptune rx in GEMINI in the 11th house

ASC in LEO

Mercury conjunct Sun
Moon square Jupiter
Mercury trine Neptune[/B]

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posted April 10, 2012 04:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
^ I sometimes talk absurdly too, just to see what their reaction will be. If they don't know I'm joking then they soon figure it out, but some people can't figure whether or not I'm joking even when I'm serious..I guess because maybe I do it a lot, that or they're slow on the uptake. If it's a serious matter then I'm not like that at all but everything else is fair game. Love to play around with words..just for my amusement really.

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posted April 10, 2012 04:49 AM            

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Originally posted by tautomer4314:
I can relate to him a lot actually. In the sense that I can do what he does. To me people are extremely logical and predictable and can easily be pushed to fall into certain paths and patterns. The difference is I know doing that sort of thing is very bad, and I have a moral code that forbids me from doing that unless there is a true purpose to it (which there honestly hasn't ever really been for a while now). It's satisfying to know that I have this skill, and part of me likes to brag about this ability because it is a strong point I have, and it is something that makes me stand out. I have to admit I'm doing it now by discussing it. It's a power thing, and as with any sort of power, it feels good to the one who uses it and wield it; it's an ego boost. It's a tempting thing let me tell you.

I also can relate to the "pure power" bit. I do desire that, and it took me until a few months ago to fully acknowledge that in myself. Now that I am aware of it though, I will not allow myself to be driven to that and it goes against everything I stand for.

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Well at least you know it's a little on the unhealthy side...and I mean, I think we're all capable of a little manipulation. I'll admit, I know I can be very persuasive when it comes to getting people to do favors for me. But I consider that harmless, and I'll always try to return the favor. There's a difference between that, and actually sabotaging someone's happiness for one's own selfish motives.

posted April 10, 2012 05:02 AM            

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Originally posted by Pennylane:
Well at least you know it's a little on the unhealthy side...and I mean, I think we're all capable of a little manipulation. I'll admit, I know I can be very persuasive when it comes to getting people to do favors for me. But I consider that harmless, and I'll always try to return the favor. There's a difference between that, and actually sabotaging someone's happiness for one's own selfish motives.

And yeah this guy doesn't really have too much of a guilty conscience. He slept with the girlfriend of a guy we're all friends with and kept bragging about how he felt no remorse. The *hilarious* thing to me is how he pretty much has a God complex about himself, and gets all sanctimonious when it comes to religion. He all but told me he thinks I'm going to hell.

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He sounds awful. One day though, I bet he will regret all this quite a bit when he is all alone. Reading of his behavior makes me sick. What a waste of creativity

posted April 10, 2012 05:08 AM            

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Originally posted by pandacake:

Pisces are more shrewd than they appear and can always turn themselves into a victim and make the real victim become the perpetrator.

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That's true about my Pisces friend. Pretty bad about it. When I think of a master manipulator, it would be someone who is somewhat tactful about it... This Pisces is very obvious and his drama queen ways make me lose a lot of respect for him. Can't wait till he grows out of it.

posted April 10, 2012 05:20 AM            

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
He sounds awful. One day though, I bet he will regret all this quite a bit when he is all alone. Reading of his behavior makes me sick. What a waste of creativity

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posted April 10, 2012 06:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Pennylane:
I think it all comes down to low self worth. :/ What finally got me to cut him out was hearing the pure glee in his voice when he called specifically to tell me about how the best friend I liked was now dating someone else, knowing I still had feelings for him, and seemed to enjoy hearing me hurt. It was a small thing, but as they say, when someone shows you who they really are, believe them. The sad thing is he is truly one of the funniest people I've ever met and we used to have great philosophical discussions on a daily basis that I really enjoyed. :/

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posted April 10, 2012 10:42 AM              

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Originally posted by Lava Flower:
At least he makes it obvious how dangerous he is to trust. That's not really a little thing he did maybe in comparison. Pretty evil.

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posted April 10, 2012 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
What do you think?

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Sigh. I hate being that finger wagging poster but so be it - every sign manipulates, will manipulate, can manipulate. I think the difference is in what provokes them to. A Gemini is going to manipulate you to test, and out of curiosity BUT not maliciousness. That's totally different from why a Scorpio rising/Scorpio anything manipulates. Also, are we talking about manipulation with a negative connotation or someone who's good at persuasion? I notice those with fewer Scorpio placements in their chart are good at manipulation without being caught, and those with a lot of Scorpio in their chart are more Sagittarian in nature (i.e. they control that side of their behavior better).

posted April 10, 2012 03:32 PM            

Ascendant Capricorn
Sun Pisces
Mercury Aquarius
Venus Pisces

posted April 10, 2012 06:34 PM            

I have them, and manipulation flows naturally in me but I hate it and try to tone it down ... I rarely care about people in general ( except the ones i realllyyy love ); I have this (in love/ out of love ) switch.