posted June 13, 2014 07:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
Moon opposition neptune in my experience.

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posted June 13, 2014 08:40 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
We try it just doesn't always work :/
Bless our hearts.

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I know what you mean about the homeless families and admire you for having discernment about it. If someone waved me over, that would creep me out. But usually I give people money if they seem to need it. Standard Pisces moon.

posted June 13, 2014 09:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
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I know what you mean about the homeless families and admire you for having discernment about it. If someone waved me over, that would creep me out. But usually I give people money if they seem to need it. Standard Pisces moon.

It's kinda strange for me to remember that when I was young and anyone asked me for anything, I would give it to them. Money, Halloween candy, toys, whatever...basically I had this inborn "what's mine is yours" attitude. Yeah...except when it came to scratch n' sniff stickers and new art supplies, especially anything fluorescent like crayons or highlighters. I was rabidly possessive of things like that and might have stolen some from other children.

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posted June 13, 2014 09:14 PM            

Well...not my kids, they usually aren't really like that but...some kids.

posted June 14, 2014 04:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
But I know someone who used to really bend over backwards for anyone who was in a crisis, and after getting burned a few times (with ingratitude, or unwanted drama) now kinda bristles at anyone who has their hand out. And would jump at the opportunity to discredit the sobee.

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posted June 14, 2014 05:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
If someone waved me over, that would creep me out. But usually I give people money if they seem to need it. Standard Pisces moon.

It's kinda strange for me to remember that when I was young and anyone asked me for anything, I would give it to them. Money, Halloween candy, toys, whatever...basically I had this inborn "what's mine is yours" attitude

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I used to be a lot more giving to homeless I met on the street...still am, but much more warily and cautiously (and I've volunteered for groups that feed the poor and homeless as well).

But just one of the reasons was back when I helped whenever I could I got a reputation as some kind of sucker (which I was told is also very dangerous to me physically). And one of the times that this became apparent was when I was walking home loaded down with groceries and a homeless guy on a bench waved me over. I went, I thought I he might need help (it was broad daylight in a square by the library), and without even getting up he asked if I had any spare change.

I was loaded down with groceries, and he couldn't even come to me. He could've offered to help me to carry them for pay and I'd have paid generously (though not to the point of leading him all the way to where I live, I'd have had him help me carry them to a church that was a couple of blocks away from me then) but as it was he got nothing from me then or ever again. And I was stunned at his gall as well as made aware of how being generous meant he had no respect for me at all.

I actually came close to a fight around then, too, and in the same square (though luckily I wasn't weighed down with groceries). He'd asked for spare change and I'd pulled a dollar out of my back pocket (kept there for a panhandler that seemed to ask me for money a lot) and he acted disappointed going, "I was hoping for a five."

I got angry when I heard that, as if I OWED it to him. Again, no respect for me. I mostly swallowed my instant anger but he may have heard it when I said, "I'm sure by now you're used to disappointment."

He looked at me like he might attack. Having been on the streets myself and once fought off 3 skinheads (and that was before the years of martial arts training I had since then) I found I was actually hoping he'd start something because then I'd get my dollar back from him...and the fact that he was a homeless guy meant the law would be on my side whatever happened. Whether he sensed my lack of fear at his attempt to intimidate me or realized attacking a woman by the library (during open hours) would be a very bad move he finally stormed off. I never gave to him again either. (Eventually I started turning panhandlers away.)

posted June 14, 2014 08:42 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
All the ones who are down and out have tried the destructive kind and it floored them, alienated everyone in their life so now they haven't a support system.

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But if they're a master of it then they'll get the system to bail them out or they'll end up being put in charge over a homeless shelter, perhaps even rising in the ranks of some churches that get grants for aiding the homeless (come to think of it, enough of those people are so corrupt that maybe that's exactly what happened!).

posted June 15, 2014 12:33 AM            

A good manipulator can call someone else out when they are trying to manipulate..can see it coming like the sun rising.

Seems almost childish in the moment for them to even attempt that stuff.

homeless pro a "probo" so to say, gets no love from me, will say in that genre female panhandlers tend to come out well.

posted June 15, 2014 01:31 AM            

Even if they didn't. I could stand out there, look homeless and getting $10-$15 per hour is not unrealistic I think.
$10 an hour, tax free from our money that we worked for and paid taxes on.

Just my thoughts.

Manipulative....
Heck I think anyone could be given the circumstances.

posted June 15, 2014 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It seems like people who are really good with other people wouldn't have a reason to ever be on the streets because that's all success is, for the most part, which leaves me to wonder why would two people who look alright need to ask for money?

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If you're talking about those stores opening up then the homeless aren't likely to get it because you need a stable address and phone number (though many homeless, at least in the US, now have phones they carry around that help with the last part). LOTS of people are unemployed, lots more than statistic show (for once people run out of unemployment bennies then they're no longer counted as unemployed, though they are). So even with new stores opening up there's fierce competition for those jobs.

Many of the homeless have mental health issues that come from a tragic past to just plain old chemical imbalances which makes long term employment unlikely, and possibly even an interview process can be too much for them. Drug problems are rampant as well. Criminal records, dishonorable discharges, and plain old personal temperament are also factors. And the longer they're homeless the worse their past work and credit history look (and also the more likely to gain a criminal record) which makes it harder for them to escape the streets without serious help.

Interesting enough I had a neighbor who was out of work for a long time because she was OVER qualified due to her degrees. Employers felts she'd "get bored" or "find better work" and thus didn't want to invest in her. She did well for awhile but after jobs she was trained for got cut the competition was simply too much (and those she owed for her student loans were unsympathetic to that). Had it not been for a bit of luck she'd have eventually wound up on the streets herself (she came REAL close to homelessness).

And there really is such a thing as just plain bad luck. Even when properly used our welfare system sucks and can actually penalize people for doing better for themselves (though there are also limits on them that many people don't realize, unless you're legally declared disabled, and even then it's a hassle that's not guaranteed to keep you off the streets). Oh, and there are people who hire the homeless, but as completely disposable workers that they tend to rip off very badly, and on top of that if they work with a temp agency of some kind that accept the homeless they often have to then navigate a gauntlet of people waiting to rob them when they leave which is also discouraging.

Nevertheless, as genuine bad luck exist that's no real fault of the person, so does good luck. Like one guy I knew who got a temporary job who impressed the boss so much that he was kept on despite not having the qualifications they were looking for and he was promoted within a year.