posted April 20, 2012 02:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Sorcha:
I agree with Gemini and Capricorn - but in the same chart. I know (knew) someone who has a Cappy Sun and Gemini Moon and you've never met anyone more rational. She is probably the most rational person I've ever known.

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You sure?

posted April 20, 2012 03:26 PM            

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Originally posted by cancermoonie:
A mature aquarius. I say this because Aquarians live in their own fantasy world, so that in itself is quite irrational.

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.....no. Einstein lived in his own fantasy world. I would never call him irrational. So did Steve Jobs.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Einstein

“The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination.” - Einstein

“Innovation is not the product of logical thought, even though the final product is tied to a logical structure.” - Einstein

posted April 20, 2012 07:12 PM            

Rationalizing is how you apply logic to your own behavior isn't it?

So I would say, since every sign behaves differently, they rationalize differently.

If I think of the most rational person I know of in each sign, I notice there is usually a "twist" on the rationale, depending on the sign.

Richard Dawkins, Aries, employs cold logic to his theory that there is no God, and I enjoy the meticulous order in his writing even if I think his assumptions are naive.

I have never known a Pisces who would be interested in using logic to show there is no God; a Pisces is usually spiritual and has no interest in justifying their beliefs to others. Meanwhile, the ones I know DO take interest in making total sense out of what others might consider mundane affairs. (Pisces tend to see the extraordinary in the ordinary.)

Gemini rationalizes well, but how does one of the more fickle Geminis rationalize being fickle, to a Capricorn? If the two signs disagree on what constitutes rationality, all that's left to discuss is how logically and articulately they attempted to justify subjectively rational behavior.

posted April 20, 2012 07:33 PM            

I always try to come up with some kind of plan or some type of solution to a problem.

Just today I had to think what happens if person A reacts this way and person B acts that way and started thinking of each outcome.

Anyway, I would like to argue that each sign is capable of being rational it depends on the situation.

Virgos, Cancer female are normally good at being economically rational, but fail to see the bigger picture.

Taurus are rational when it comes to law, but can be fixed towards a certain viewpoint.

and etc.

I would say Gemini is the most well rounded, but not necessarily always the best.

It would be better to rationalize with a sign that has that specialization your looking for.

For example would you rather file your income tax with a Virgo or a Sagittarius?

posted April 20, 2012 07:55 PM            

the most rational person would theoretically be someone with capricorn moon conjunct capricorn saturn in the first house, no?

posted April 20, 2012 08:01 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
[B]What's the difference between rational and logical?

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Which sign would have the strongest logic? Gemini, the air sign ruled by Mercury, which rules mental processes and logic.

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Rationalizing is how you apply logic to your own behavior isn't it?

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So I would say, since every sign behaves differently, they rationalize differently.

If I think of the most rational person I know of in each sign, I notice there is usually a "twist" on the rationale, depending on the sign.

Richard Dawkins, Aries, employs cold logic to his theory that there is no God, and I enjoy the meticulous order in his writing even if I think his assumptions are naive.

I have never known a Pisces who would be interested in using logic to show there is no God; a Pisces is usually spiritual and has no interest in justifying their beliefs to others. Meanwhile, the ones I know DO take interest in making total sense out of what others might consider mundane affairs. (Pisces tend to see the extraordinary in the ordinary.)

Gemini rationalizes well, but how does one of the more fickle Geminis rationalize being fickle, to a Capricorn? If the two signs disagree on what constitutes rationality, all that's left to discuss is how logically and articulately they attempted to justify subjectively rational behavior.

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posted April 20, 2012 09:26 PM            

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The Gemini could construct a cost-benefit analysis of being fickle and how it yields a higher profit with least risk. Put it into terms/context that appeals to Capricorn's subjective side of needing material security.

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Is that really probable though?

This assumes that the Gemini would be motivated to construct things in a way that specifically resonates with a mercenary, less-evolved Capricorn (if you are talking just about money), and that the Gemini has facts at his or her disposal to convincingly substantiate the "high profit, less risk" claim.

1) What's so rational about a Gemini doing that? What's the Gemini gain?

2) As a Capricorn, I tend to see how there is MORE cost and MORE risk in fickleness, as cost and risk are again subjectively defined.

It might cost me sleep to break hearts. Nothing our rhetorical Gemini can say will change that. It's just words.

posted April 20, 2012 11:16 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
Analyzing too much gets to a point where they overanalyze and the reason they come up with is a lot more complicated than it really is.

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Oh, we would NEVER do that? LOL!

posted April 20, 2012 11:42 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Is that really probable though?

This assumes that the Gemini would be motivated to construct things in a way that specifically resonates with a mercenary, less-evolved Capricorn (if you are talking just about money), and that the Gemini has facts at his or her disposal to convincingly substantiate the "high profit, less risk" claim.

1) What's so rational about a Gemini doing that? What's the Gemini gain?

2) As a Capricorn, I tend to see how there is MORE cost and MORE risk in fickleness, as cost and risk are again subjectively defined.

It might cost me sleep to break hearts. Nothing our rhetorical Gemini can say will change that. It's just words.

My value system is just thoroughly different from that of a fickle person, such that rationalization alone can never bridge the gap. At best I can say, "you spoke your own truths well."

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But anyway, Gemini is ruled by Hermes/Mercury and he used logic to persuade and confuse many different minds, differing value systems notwithstanding.

Someone who can freely apply straight logic within any given situation is more reasonable/rational than a Capricorn who is dead set on maximizing the bottom line no matter what. Capricorn is bound by its need for material security and status, which trumps all else.

So that answers the original argument: Gemini is the most rational due to the strong base in logic.

Subjective rationality? That sounds like it could be insanity...which is an antonym of rationality. (according to the online dictionary anyway)

posted April 21, 2012 01:20 AM            

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Originally posted by cancermoonie:
A mature aquarius. I say this because Aquarians live in their own fantasy world, so that in itself is quite irrational.

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That's Pisces. (Neptune /12th /unconscious hidden faucets of self)