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wisleybear
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posted May 15, 2012 05:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisleybear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Won't go too in depth (yet), and I don't have the exact birth times for either of them, but I'm kind of a celebrity and my entire identity is riding on which of these two girls I choose to marry here so hopefully you guys really know your stuff.

My ex (Girl 1) is an Aries moon, and I know she's my twin flame, but such is why I know I should be worried that we wouldn't have the most peaceful environment. Which is important because I'd like to have kids soon.

The newer love (Girl 2) is Gemini sun/Cancer moon/Venus Leo/Mars Leo, which is awesome considering I am an Aqua Sun/Scorp moon/Venus Aries/Mars Sagittarius. This would make her the most compatible girl ever, then again, I've heard that too many trines can lead to a boring relationship or make each other weak/lazy or something. The Cancer moon makes her super attractive to me though because I just know she'll make a wonderful wife/mother as the crack pipe might suggest.

So by ignoring the houses and looking at the synastry aspects, which relationship is overall best for me?


My birth time is exact and my planets are the ones going horizontal by the way.
Thanks in advance


Me


and Girl 1:

aspect chart: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/98/klsynastry.jpg

Me and Girl 2:

aspect chart: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/7662/ysynastry.jpg

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posted May 15, 2012 07:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi there, welcome to Lindaland.

These charts are hard to read, can you post the synastry bi-wheels?

I would like to be able to see more clearly what the girls' placements are.

It sounds like you like Girl 2 better and with all those trines, no wonder. Interesting how your sun and Mercury are in the 10th house and your utmost concern seems to be how the girl will impact your celebrity image.

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posted May 15, 2012 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for RegardesPlatero     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
To be honest, I think that you should look within yourself and examine which girl you really like, rather than just looking at her chart.

I say this for a few reasons.

1) Sometimes, even people who have good charts "on paper" might not get along in real life.

2) Sometimes, charts that are 'easy' and 'compatible' can lead to complacency or taking the other for granted. On the opposite side, two people with 'difficult' charts can make it work, and they can reap great rewards from doing that.

As I've said quite a few times (am almost sounding like a broken record, but it applies in this case), astrology just represents raw materials. What a person builds with those materials is up to that person.

3) A chart won't necessarily say how a position will manifest. Two people with the same or similar charts could show different sides of the same placement. People can be highly evolved, lowly evolved, or in the middle. So, you can't always tell how a person will be just by the chart--you have to spend a lot of time with that person to see how the chart plays out.

4) A person is a person, not a chart. I mean, if I were a girl, and a guy was choosing between me and someone else based on my chart, I'd probably dump him. I would want someone to choose me over someone else because that person genuinely wanted to be with me, not because I was the 'better' of the two available choices or the 'lesser' of two evils. I would want a person to really want me specifically, for who I am, for how I made that person feel, for what we shared together. To use an analogy, I wouldn't want to be like a food item at a buffet that a person takes just because it's there and looks "good enough": one that can easily be traded in or discarded for a 'better' item, or that's surrounded by other items that are also tasty, and thus an item that isn't really special and doesn't stand out to the person buying the food. I'd want to be specially ordered because I'm wanted and desired, chosen out of all of the other options because I am worthy.

On top of that, you can never discount upbringing, personal values, free will, or other things of that nature--those things also have to come into play.

I'm not saying of course that a person shouldn't look at a chart of a prospective partner, or discount experiences with certain placements--just that a chart should never be the sole determining factor, or even the most important determining factor, in choosing a partner.

So, my answer is that you should choose the woman whom you love more, with whom you feel more of a connection, and with whom you feel more compatible. Choose the one who would truly make a good partner. Choose the one who's stood by you when you've experienced difficulty, and the one who can share in your joy in better times. Choose the one who's loving, loyal, there for you, and truly interested in you for who you are, not just your status.

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posted May 15, 2012 08:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisleybear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Faith:
Hi there, welcome to Lindaland.

These charts are hard to read, can you post the synastry bi-wheels?

I would like to be able to see more clearly what the girls' placements are.

It sounds like you like Girl 2 better and with all those trines, no wonder. Interesting how your sun and Mercury and in the 10th house and your utmost concern seems to be how the girl will impact your celebrity image.


Updated post with biwheels.

PS - it's not so much of how the girl will impact my celebrity image so much as it is a moral decision of which one deserves to be the happiest girl in the world.

Is it strong of me to move on (Give up?) on my first love that ended badly (partly because of me, mostly on her though) to a harmonious relationship? Or would true strength be in making it work?

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posted May 15, 2012 08:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisleybear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by RegardesPlatero:

2) Sometimes, charts that are 'easy' and 'compatible' can lead to complacency or taking the other for granted. On the opposite side, two people with 'difficult' charts can make it work, and they can reap great rewards from doing that.


3) People can be highly evolved, lowly evolved, or in the middle. So, you can't always tell how a person will be just by the chart--you have to spend a lot of time with that person to see how the chart plays out.

4) A person is a person, not a chart. I mean, if I were a girl, and a guy was choosing between me and someone else based on my chart, I'd probably dump him. I would want someone to choose me over someone else because that person genuinely wanted to be with me, not because I was the 'better' of the two available choices or the 'lesser' of two evils. I would want a person to really want me specifically, for who I am, for how I made that person feel, for what we shared together. To use an analogy, I wouldn't want to be like a food item at a buffet that a person takes just because it's there and looks "good enough": one that can easily be traded in or discarded for a 'better' item, or that's surrounded by other items that are also tasty, and thus an item that isn't really special and doesn't stand out to the person buying the food. I'd want to be specially ordered because I'm wanted and desired, chosen out of all of the other options because I am worthy.

So, my answer is that you should choose the woman whom you love more, with whom you feel more of a connection, and with whom you feel more compatible. Choose the one who would truly make a good partner. Choose the one who's stood by you when you've experienced difficulty, and the one who can share in your joy in better times. Choose the one who's loving, loyal, there for you, and truly interested in you for who you are, not just your status.


2) It seems I've already reached that point with her considering I'm already posting about my ex...but i haven't slept with the new one yet or anything so i don't feel too bad.
The part about great rewards is actually what enticed me enough to post this thread. lol

3) Totally agree. Though one of my gifts is being able to gauge one's soul evolution rather quickly...

4) You make some great points there. It just happens that I've narrowed my choices down to these two (out of hundreds), and yeah, it goes back to the feeling part, however, it also happens that I'm kind of an all or nothing guy so I don't really have the luxury of "testing out" a real relationship with this new girl. cuz going that far is worse than cheating imho, and obv my ex and i aren't officially over.

I felt more in love with my ex, but she was my first love so obviously that's expected, and it doesn't help her case that she isn't the best partner for me both in real life and according to the crack pipe.

It's just hard because I also wouldn't have gotten to be where I am without my ex, but then again she was bold enough to cheat on me (just to stand up to my dominating behaviour, though now i don't find that boldness so attractive. Or do I?) so it's a really tough situation.

Great reply though.

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posted May 15, 2012 08:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Hera     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wisleybear:

PS - it's not so much of how the girl will impact my celebrity image so much as it is a moral decision of which one deserves to be the happiest girl in the world.

Wow!... Aren't you just A LITTLE full of yourself? What are you, God's gift to women?!

Do both of them a favor and pick none. There's no room for someone other than you in your mirror anyway.

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posted May 15, 2012 08:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh, he has his sun in Aquarius in the critical degree for fixed signs, just like me

Welcome to Lindaland!

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posted May 15, 2012 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I would stay away from the Gemini if I were you. Aquarians should only keep mercurial people as FRIENDS. With relationships it NEVER WORKS. TRUST ME on this one.

Or if you don't want to trust me, trust the stats: http://www.metaphoricalplatypus.com/Astrology/aquarius%20marriage.html.

Geminis and Virgos are two of my favourite signs for friendship but for relationships, YOU WILL BE UNSATISFIED. DO NOT GO THERE.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok.. to be completely honest I don't like either of them.

Bachelorette no 1. is too much for you. She is sexually attractive and you have an intense connection on a physical level. But she can be very harsh and insensitive towards you. She does not always take your feelings seriously. From your perspective she can seem very self-centered at times, maybe even selfish.

Bachelorette no 2 is a really nice person, no doubt about it. You definitely like each other. You have a lot in common and you are very emotionally in sync. You also have a great intellectual connection. Unfortunately though, BOTH of your Saturns are unaspected. This is a pretty strong sign that for whatever reason - maybe not your own decision or hers - it will not last. Saturn is the planet of time. In a marriage synastry there are usually close Saturn aspects. One unaspected Saturn would be iffy.. But to have both unaspected is pretty bad.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has Saturn conjuct Saturn out-of-sign with Girl 1.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisleybear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Hera:
Wow!... Aren't you just A LITTLE full of yourself? What are you, God's gift to women?!

No. I am God's gift to the world, and I actually have much disdain towards our great designer and women in general because I already know no woman could possibly be smart enough to recognize it until it is too late.

You can thank MTV.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
     
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He has Saturn conjuct Saturn out-of-sign with Girl 1.


Yes ^^ ... with girl 1 it can last a long time - since they do have Saturn connenctions, but it will probably be a difficult relationship - based on the rest of the synastry.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Wow!... Aren't you just A LITTLE full of yourself? What are you, God's gift to women?!

Do both of them a favor and pick none. There's no room for someone other than you in your mirror anyway.



I dunno how I managed to miss that comment! Wow, I wonder if that personality defect is a result of the grand square sun/moon/ascendant.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Hera:
Wow!... Aren't you just A LITTLE full of yourself? What are you, God's gift to women?!

Do both of them a favor and pick none. There's no room for someone other than you in your mirror anyway.


That is if the room is really as large as a grand ballroom, because the mirror wouldn't otherwise fit on a regular room's wall.

I'm having a hard time breathing here being squeezed against the corner of the room by the immense ego.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Technically, we're all God's gift to the world.. Or maybe the world is God's gift to us. Who knows? It's late.. I'm tired and my Pisces Mercury is not cut out for these kinds of conversations.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisleybear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
I would stay away from the Gemini if I were you. Aquarians should only keep mercurial people as FRIENDS. With relationships it NEVER WORKS. TRUST ME on this one.

Or if you don't want to trust me, trust the stats: http://www.metaphoricalplatypus.com/Astrology/aquarius%20marriage.html.

Geminis and Virgos are two of my favourite signs for friendship but for relationships, YOU WILL BE UNSATISFIED. DO NOT GO THERE.


hi to you too!

I really liked this line from that article:
"It's possible that the higher-than-average divorce rate between Aquarians and Geminis may be attributable more to a lack of sticking power than incompatibility"

I think a gemini with a scorpio moon would be an exception though. your thoughts?

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posted May 15, 2012 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Girl #2's sun is conjunct your Chiron exactly:

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Some astrologers see this as a sign of compatibility. These people are probably brought together to effect healing of some kind. The Chiron person is uniquely able to supply the understanding, compassion or personal chemistry that can heal some issues with the Sun person's identity, and in the process the Chiron person evolves a little more beyond their own inner wounds.
http://astrologynotes.org/wiki/Synastry_Sun_conjunct_Chiron

But I'm not sure this is "marriage material." Sometimes people heal each other as a step in their growth and move on.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by wisleybear:
No. I am God's gift to the world, and I actually have much disdain towards our great designer and women in general because I already know no woman could possibly be smart enough to recognize it until it is too late.

You can thank MTV.


Well if you disdain women, why aren't you gay?

Though I will say that a girl who will marry a jerk just because he is famous...she gets what she deserves.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by wisleybear:
hi to you too!

I really liked this line from that article:
"It's possible that the higher-than-average divorce rate between Aquarians and Geminis may be attributable more to a lack of sticking power than incompatibility"

I think a gemini with a scorpio moon would be an exception though. your thoughts?



Well, that's true that the water moon would give more staying power to her than your average Gem. I'm going to check the charts for nodal connections to Saturn; I mean, there's gotta be SOMETHING here that can lend it staying power.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
wisleybear, I see that girl 2's Saturn is in Aquarius; what is the degree? Can you post a chart for her?

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posted May 15, 2012 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisleybear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
Ok.. to be completely honest I don't like either of them.

Bachelorette no 1. is too much for you. She is sexually attractive and you have an intense connection on a physical level. But she can be very harsh and insensitive towards you. She does not always take your feelings seriously. From your perspective she can seem very self-centered at times, maybe even selfish.

Bachelorette no 2 is a really nice person, no doubt about it. You definitely like each other. You have a lot in common and you are very emotionally in sync. You also have a great intellectual connection. Unfortunately though, BOTH of your Saturns are unaspected. This is a pretty strong sign that for whatever reason - maybe not your own decision or hers - it will not last. Saturn is the planet of time. In a marriage synastry there are usually close Saturn aspects. One unaspected Saturn would be iffy.. But to have both unaspected is pretty bad.


1. 100% true

2. that is indeed scary, however, I don't think I would've had a long lasting marriage to begin with so to be the one girl i TRIED marriage with is the big deal here you see.

then again, i feel i'd be happiest as a great hubby too

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posted May 15, 2012 09:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wikipedia doesn't have an entry for any celebrities born 2/10/88.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for wisleybear     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
wisleybear, I see that girl 2's Saturn is in Aquarius; what is the degree? Can you post a chart for her?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/853/ynatal.jpg/

I just made a time up cuz I haven't asked her yet.

I don't think Saturn moves all that much in the span of a day though...I'm sure you know better than me.

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posted May 15, 2012 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for amowls**     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know, it'd be really easy to out you since we can figure out your birthdate via your placements (you were born 2 days after me)... JUST SAYING

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posted May 15, 2012 09:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aquacheeka     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Faith:
Wikipedia doesn't have an entry for any celebrities born 2/10/88.

Here's some: http://www.trueknowledge.com/q/who_was_born_on_february_10_1988

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