posted June 26, 2012 08:07 PM            

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Originally posted by RedScorp:
Wow, just stop it right there and back it up would you kindly. You cannot choose who you are attracted to. Sure, you can choose who to get involved with, but attraction, romantic or sexual? No. Not a choice.

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posted June 26, 2012 08:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
I can easily say you're pretty dang ignorant. I won this match because at the end of the day your heterosexual and can't speak for me.
You know I've struggled with my sexuality, Its not easy, kids kill themselves for not being accepted. Few years ago if it was simply a matter of "choice" I would be straight
I don't really give **** anymore
I am who I am

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posted June 26, 2012 08:21 PM            

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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
You made my point for me. Thanks. Moving on.
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ps and winning...

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posted June 26, 2012 08:43 PM            

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I simply said we are responsible for who we are and that attributing it to the stars is a load of bunk.

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posted June 26, 2012 08:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
Thats not what you were implying, or you really don't make any sense... Why would anyone choice not to be involved with someone they love. Thats silly and not a good argument. Why would anyone choice to be unhappy?
You're implying you can choice who you can be attracted to. He meant you choice not be in a relationship with someone of the same gender.

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See here's the deal, I already called the part where the name-calling was going to emerge. And bless your twisted little hearts you dears didn't disappoint. I know you won't understand this, but this is relaxing to me. You are all upset. Why?
Cuz you didn't listen. By listening I mean read, really read what I said and see if you don't look foolish with the assumptions you've made.
Sure, you asked me what I was talking about earlier, and instead of getting annoyed and deciding to pluck your guitar strings I could have answered you- heh- straight. Oops, my bad.
And it is mean to eff with people when you know where they are going ahead of time. It's kind too because once you get past the deafening static which is all the explanations and self-defense mechanisms chattering away in your brain housing group (your head) you might do something like, oh I don't know, ask me what I really mean.
Or the three, or is four of us can go on all day with this fun stuff, I don't know about you but I enjoy lunacy like this because you have all the main brain nutritional groups represented: insecurity, the need to blame others because of it, self-entitlement, ahh, and the piece de resistance~! Ignorance! Personally, my favorite ingredient. And it's feasting time.

Or you can actually try to get at what I do really mean and we can have a real discussion. I know that means you'll have to put away your tin-foil cap ( oh wait that's for the extraterrestrial experience theorists- wrong mental picture-sorry) you have to focus this time and actually give a crap about what I'm saying from my perspective and not be all up in my grille about being a backwoods homophobe, whichever of you came up with that one.

posted June 26, 2012 08:51 PM            

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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
No, you must be kidding yourself. Of course it's a choice and it's obvious. Next.

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Did you choose to date one gender over another? If so, then you're bisexual, not gay or straight. Those who aren't bi don't have that choice, they have only self-realization. Of course they can choose to be in an unfulfilled relationship (like straight boys and a lesbian I knew who turned tricks with men for money, or someone trying to hide their homosexuality in a heterosexual marriage) but they don't get to choose which gender they're attracted to. I even know a straight guy who tried really hard to be bi but he just couldn't it no matter how hard he tried (he could have sex with men but he just couldn't feel the attraction or that special connection, he had to force himself until he gave up trying).

posted June 26, 2012 09:01 PM            

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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
See here's the deal, I already called the part where the name-calling was going to emerge. And bless your twisted little hearts you dears didn't disappoint. I know you won't understand this, but this is relaxing to me. You are all upset. Why?
Cuz you didn't listen. By listening I mean read, really read what I said and see if you don't look foolish with the assumptions you've made.
Sure, you asked me what I was talking about earlier, and instead of getting annoyed and deciding to pluck your guitar strings I could have answered you- heh- straight. Oops, my bad.
And it is mean to eff with people when you know where they are going ahead of time. It's kind too because once you get past the deafening static which is all the explanations and self-defense mechanisms chattering away in your brain housing group (your head) you might do something like, oh I don't know, ask me what I really mean.
Or the three, or is four of us can go on all day with this fun stuff, I don't know about you but I enjoy lunacy like this because you have all the main brain nutritional groups represented: insecurity, the need to blame others because of it, self-entitlement, ahh, and the piece de resistance~! Ignorance! Personally, my favorite ingredient. And it's feasting time.

Or you can actually try to get at what I do really mean and we can have a real discussion. I know that means you'll have to put away your tin-foil cap ( oh wait that's for the extraterrestrial experience theorists- wrong mental picture-sorry) you have to focus this time and actually give a crap about what I'm saying from my perspective and not be all up in my grille about being a backwoods homophobe, whichever of you came up with that one.

S

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posted June 26, 2012 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by KingTaurus2104:
I've noticed Sun conjunct Mars in a lot of gay mens charts!

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I like men too

posted June 26, 2012 09:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
Okay nice this is when you admit you're a troll.... This isn't an anonymous forum, were all people and we put our selves out there. We talk about our personal lives If LL had ton of people like you in this forum, I would not even join

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posted June 26, 2012 09:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
Thats not what you were implying, or you really don't make any sense... Why would anyone choose not to be involved with someone they love. Thats silly and not a good argument. Why would anyone choose to be unhappy?
You're implying you can choose who you can be attracted to. He meant you choosee not be in a relationship with someone of the same gender.

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I was implying nothing. I said, more than once, that we make choices. Nothing sinister nor agenda oriented behind it. We go for this person, we go for that person. We decide to act on the attraction. Is that ordained by "my" GOD? Or in the case of this site seeking the explanation in the transits of the stars?
Yes, if you choose TO or you choose not to be in a RELATIONSHIP that is your choice. As to the complex nature/nurture impulse that makes this individual attractive over that is separate. And a completely diffrent discussion.

posted June 26, 2012 09:44 PM            

@David Bowie Eyes
Don't mean to butt in. I get your point, I just think saying "your choice" in a thread about sexuality isn't the wisest statement. But I TOTALLY get what you mean.
Like Redscorp said, you can choose who you want to be involved with but you can't choose who you are Attracted to/In love with. Which is what defines someone's sexual orentation.

posted June 26, 2012 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Moonfish:
I like men too

I read that harsh aspects between Mars-Neptune could cause same sex attraction.
But if your homosexual why put so much thought into it? just accept who you are :]

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Ding! Ding!
Yes, all the hand wringing and, "it's in the stars" is unnecessary. You are who you are. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG NOR UNUSUAL IN THAT. We are all individuals and maintaining that individuality while seeking to unify with the human whole is the lesson we learn in living.
Does this make more sense?
S

posted June 26, 2012 09:54 PM            

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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
Ding! Ding!
Yes, all the hand wringing and, "it's in the stars" is unnecessary. You are who you are. AND THERE IS NOTHING WRONG NOR UNUSUAL IN THAT. We are all individuals and maintaining that individuality while seeking to unify with the human whole is the lesson we learn in living.
Does this make more sense?
S

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posted June 26, 2012 09:56 PM            

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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
I was implying nothing. I said, more than once, that we make choices. Nothing sinister nor agenda oriented behind it. We go for this person, we go for that person. We decide to act on the attraction. Is that ordained by "my" GOD? Or in the case of this site seeking the explanation in the transits of the stars?
Yes, if you choose TO or you choose not to be in a RELATIONSHIP that is your choice. As to the complex nature/nurture impulse that makes this individual attractive over that is separate. And a completely diffrent discussion.

S

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"whether that is "chemical" ( a crock of crap in my view)or just how you are wired ( maybe ), or simply a choice ( bingo- in how I view it )"

posted June 26, 2012 11:07 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
Hello David Bowie Eyes! Welcome to LL

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I appreciate that, and welcome back to you.
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posted June 26, 2012 11:19 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Did you choose to date one gender over another? If so, then you're bisexual, not gay or straight. Those who aren't bi don't have that choice, they have only self-realization. Of course they can choose to be in an unfulfilled relationship (like straight boys and a lesbian I knew who turned tricks with men for money, or someone trying to hide their homosexuality in a heterosexual marriage) but they don't get to choose which gender they're attracted to. I even know a straight guy who tried really hard to be bi but he just couldn't it no matter how hard he tried (he could have sex with men but he just couldn't feel the attraction or that special connection, he had to force himself until he gave up trying).

Of course bisexuals can find it a lot easier to choose a hetero lifestyle, it's one reason gays tend to discriminate against them as they feel a bisexual will eventually settle with someone of the opposite sex as society just makes that the easier path.

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And that last paragraph is the crux of the problem as I see it. Ask for society to accept a "community" that not only polarizes itself by politicizing a personal lifestyle ( and yes it's not completely personal when two people are apparently in a couple relationship when they are out and about- and yeah, the rest of society needs to get over that ) but then perpetuates the very prejudice it accuses everyone else of practicing by determining the "degree" by which one is a lesbian or male homosexual or by the freedom{ imagine the affrontery of having free choice to go whichever way you want and be attracted to anyone you want- isn't that the ultimate goal?]one has to choose not one way, but many ways, or no specific way.

I'm restating this part because it was confusing what I was referring to:So, if we are born with no choice, and at some time we recognize what and whom

we are attracted to and yet, whether we go forth and decide what potential relationships to pursue and with whom, explain the part where it's "wrong"and "disloyal" and "dabbling" and whatever other descriptives there are for telling someone, "You aren't one of us, you are a mole, a traitor, a double agent. Get out!"
Explain why the freedom to choose, or the realization that attraction has expanded or always was for a wider sphere of potential mates is not celebrated as a breakthrough?

S

posted June 26, 2012 11:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Geminisquared:
its amazing how it works like that huh?

We can trade maybe. I doubt we would be able to deal with the difference thou.
I love my dad, but he has those really annoying superficial Venusian traits. Way to over emotional. I can't ever really talk to him about how important matters Its really about him, hes a leo sun. He has scorpio in the 5th house so hes over protective.

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Yes, so I'll choose to break the chain and move forward, let's say we're both guilty and I'll leave out the reactionary response ( and admittedly my love of words and the chess game they can be manipulated into ) if you try to figure out my meaning, and if you don't agree with my view you still maintain respect for my having it as I'll respect you yours.
Ok, Houston, I'm going in, with nothing but swim trunks, a snorkel, and goggles. Wish me luck.

You say your Dad is over-emo but superficial at the same time. You mean he gets upset over what you consider to be trivial matters?

posted June 27, 2012 12:33 AM            

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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
Yes, so I'll choose to break the chain and move forward, let's say we're both guilty and I'll leave out the reactionary response ( and admittedly my love of words and the chess game they can be manipulated into ) if you try to figure out my meaning, and if you don't agree with my view you still maintain respect for my having it as I'll respect you yours.
Ok, Houston, I'm going in, with nothing but swim trunks, a snorkel, and goggles. Wish me luck.

You say your Dad is over-emo but superficial at the same time. You mean he gets upset over what you consider to be trivial matters?

S

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posted June 27, 2012 01:10 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
[b] Yes, so I'll choose to break the chain and move forward, let's say we're both guilty and I'll leave out the reactionary response ( and admittedly my love of words and the chess game they can be manipulated into ) if you try to figure out my meaning, and if you don't agree with my view you still maintain respect for my having it as I'll respect you yours.
Ok, Houston, I'm going in, with nothing but swim trunks, a snorkel, and goggles. Wish me luck.

You say your Dad is over-emo but superficial at the same time. You mean he gets upset over what you consider to be trivial matters?

S

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You should post your chart.... do it..[/B][/QUOTE]