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Topic: INDICATES HOMOSEXUALITY?
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 01:42 AM
  
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San Marcos, TX Rising Sign is in 15 Degrees Scorpio Sun is in 29 Degrees Aquarius Moon is in 27 Degrees Taurus Mercury is in 03 Degrees Aquarius. Venus is in 09 Degrees Aries Mars is in 23 Degrees Sagittarius. Jupiter is in 26 Degrees Leo Saturn is in 02 Degrees Sagittarius. Uranus is in 29 Degrees Cancer. Neptune is in 00 Degrees Scorpio. Pluto is in 27 Degrees Leo N. Node is in 14 Degrees Sagittarius. IP: Logged |
fenia
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From: athens greece
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posted June 27, 2012 08:26 AM
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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
That is quite funny. I'm hommephobic because I don't take the PC route of " I was made this way" to heart. What way would that be? I never said that what society calls homosexuality was anything different, bad, unnatural, wrong, blah, blah, blase~ blah. The only sense of fear, worry and anger are from the "experts" and self-proclaimed "Bi" or homosexual closet emergers. If you munch carpet or take one down the back nine for the gipper, hooray! It's a private matter, just like if I talk to Mary and her four Sisters or enjoy "relations" with my wife, it's behind closed doors.
Really, the "hysteria as argument" I thought went out with witch burnings. No? I really need to get out more I suppose. Smell the burning embers and flesh more often to "know what time it is, yo".S
You cannot hide your true feelings by using these sophistries. You said before, "take the responsibility", like we're doing a crime to be enganged in homosexual relationships.. You might be quite careful with your expressions, but your homophobia shows.I realise you don't like homosexuality, so you better avoid threads like this one, if you care not to be disrespectful. And I am not hiding behind doors, I don't have to, I'm very open with my relationships and not ashamed for being something natural. IP: Logged |
fenia
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From: athens greece
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 27, 2012 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
See here's the deal, I already called the part where the name-calling was going to emerge. And bless your twisted little hearts you dears didn't disappoint. I know you won't understand this, but this is relaxing to me. You are all upset. Why?
Cuz you didn't listen. By listening I mean read, really read what I said and see if you don't look foolish with the assumptions you've made.
Sure, you asked me what I was talking about earlier, and instead of getting annoyed and deciding to pluck your guitar strings I could have answered you- heh- straight. Oops, my bad.
And it is mean to eff with people when you know where they are going ahead of time. It's kind too because once you get past the deafening static which is all the explanations and self-defense mechanisms chattering away in your brain housing group (your head) you might do something like, oh I don't know, ask me what I really mean.
Or the three, or is four of us can go on all day with this fun stuff, I don't know about you but I enjoy lunacy like this because you have all the main brain nutritional groups represented: insecurity, the need to blame others because of it, self-entitlement, ahh, and the piece de resistance~! Ignorance! Personally, my favorite ingredient.  And it's feasting time.Or you can actually try to get at what I do really mean and we can have a real discussion. I know that means you'll have to put away your tin-foil cap ( oh wait that's for the extraterrestrial experience theorists- wrong mental picture-sorry) you have to focus this time and actually give a crap about what I'm saying from my perspective and not be all up in my grille about being a backwoods homophobe, whichever of you came up with that one. S
Wow. YOU PROVOKE and you insult all the time and now you have the nerves to call us uptights.. You are too immature for this conversation boy. Showing off your signature everytime, (while you're registered remember?) proves my point. You're madly seeking for attention. My bad I gave it to you. I'm done with you.
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amowls**
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posted June 27, 2012 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
Actually, it is.
Actually it isn't. There's more art in astrology than actual science. Making observational inferences =/= SCIENCE. There is nothing conclusive in astrology whatsoever. IP: Logged |
Jovian
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Registered: May 2012
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posted June 27, 2012 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Moonfish:
@Geminisquared
Definitely Amazing  I didn't even think about it that way until you brought it to mind @David Bowie Eyes
Don't mean to butt in. I get your point, I just think saying "your choice" in a thread about sexuality isn't the wisest statement. But I TOTALLY get what you mean.
Like Redscorp said, you can choose who you want to be involved with but you can't choose who you are Attracted to/In love with. Which is what defines someone's sexual orentation. Now, moving on
Yes, ahem....MOVING ON. Wow, Moonfish-- You are much more diplomatic with these two than I could ever be. That's why I could never moderate a board like this one.  ... IP: Logged |
Lonake
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posted June 27, 2012 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by fenia:
Stop it right there. It's not a choice whom you're gonna be attracted to. Or whom you have feelings for. It is a choice if you're gonna act on it. We want to be civilised, so we are free to form same sex relationships. Do you deny this right to me? Are you homophobic?
Well he was banned before. Now he's under the radar. That should give you a clue.
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fenia
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From: athens greece
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted June 27, 2012 11:10 AM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
Well he was banned before. Now he's under the radar. That should give you a clue.
I see. Thank you for letting me know. IP: Logged |
David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 11:53 AM
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Originally posted by fenia:
You cannot hide your true feelings by using these sophistries. You said before, "take the responsibility", like we're doing a crime to be enganged in homosexual relationships.. You might be quite careful with your expressions, but your homophobia shows.I realise you don't like homosexuality, so you better avoid threads like this one, if you care not to be disrespectful. And I am not hiding behind doors, I don't have to, I'm very open with my relationships and not ashamed for being something natural.
Sure, you know it.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 11:57 AM
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Originally posted by fenia:
Wow. YOU PROVOKE and you insult all the time and now you have the nerves to call us uptights.. You are too immature for this conversation boy. Showing off your signature everytime, (while you're registered remember?) proves my point. You're madly seeking for attention. My bad I gave it to you. I'm done with you.
It's what I do. If you are going to do something, do it well. That's what I've been taught. Livin' the dream.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 12:05 PM
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Originally posted by fenia:
Wow. YOU PROVOKE and you insult all the time and now you have the nerves to call us uptights.. You are too immature for this conversation boy. Showing off your signature everytime, (while you're registered remember?) proves my point. You're madly seeking for attention. My bad I gave it to you. I'm done with you.
By the way, is there a translation service available for babble? That way I could understand what undoubtedly is some lynch pin key to answering the mysteries of evil somewhere in your cryptic little accusation above, but for the life of me I can't figure out what the hell you are saying. My signature that I show off every time, while I am registered/ Can you put that into a comprehensible accusation so I know what you are accusing me of? I get all the other stock standard things you accused me of and don't care. But that last bit about signatures and registrations has me mildly curious. I think, though I don't speak babble, that you are implying that I'm someone else? This has come up before. Please do clarify.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by amowls**:
Actually it isn't. There's more art in astrology than actual science. Making observational inferences =/= SCIENCE.There is nothing conclusive in astrology whatsoever.
Thank you. A point I've been making to no avail.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by fenia:
[b] Stop it right there. It's not a choice whom you're gonna be attracted to. Or whom you have feelings for. It is a choice if you're gonna act on it. We want to be civilised, so we are free to form same sex relationships. Do you deny this right to me? Are you homophobic?
Well he was banned before. Now he's under the radar. That should give you a clue.[/B][/QUOTE]Whom are you talking about?
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by fenia:
You cannot hide your true feelings by using these sophistries. You said before, "take the responsibility", like we're doing a crime to be enganged in homosexual relationships.. You might be quite careful with your expressions, but your homophobia shows.I realise you don't like homosexuality, so you better avoid threads like this one, if you care not to be disrespectful. And I am not hiding behind doors, I don't have to, I'm very open with my relationships and not ashamed for being something natural.
You show me the fallacious argument and I'll actually try to learn something about how I present my reasoning.
In the mean as I put out before, ask me where I'm coming from and what my intent is. Don't assign your own stamp of disapproval to shut me up. No where, no way, did I say, imply, insinuate, nor attempt to incite concerning taking responsibility for the choices we make. That's from inside your politically motivated mind. Know how I know? Resorting to labels designed to divide, minimize, and ultimately shut up the person whom has an opposing view. Not gonna work with me.
So unless you have irrefutable proof that you know what I meant or what my point was you currently are parading out your own sophistry as valid argument.
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ps The most hilarious aspect is we agree about responsibility. You say above near the end of your post, exactly what I meant from the beginning. That I need to modify how I express my points so that they don't get misconstrued- that part I can clearly see is a recurring theme- thus I need to make sure that what I mean, comes across IP: Logged |
Dreaming111
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posted June 27, 2012 12:39 PM
Ok, everyone.Stop. I mean both sides. Look whether we agree or we agree to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Period. It can be controversial; it can be widely accepted. This thread was not to judge people but simply to learn about the said aspects or any others that you might have come across. I don't want anyone to write about their life philosphies on here, because I genuinely don't care about that. If you can't keep to the topic please know that you are not invited to waste time on this thread. I hope that was clear enough for ALL you. IP: Logged |
Linda Jones
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posted June 27, 2012 12:47 PM
Hi DBE ... or S (whichever you prefer) "That I need to modify how I express my points so that they don't get misconstrued- that part I can clearly see is arecurring theme- thus I need to make sure that what I mean, comes across" I think this is an excellent idea you have If it helps, maybe you could try using shorter sentences and simpler grammar, for example? I think your command of the language is excellent actually. But for simple folks like me lol, it may help if I read shorter sentences so that the thoughts being presented flow in a sequence ... you know? Like one thought per sentence ... or something. Not trying to offend. I myself am guilty of using too many words lol. My posts can sometimes be very long! Anyway, please don't feel ganged up on. The topic itself is controversial, so opposition to ideas is to be expected, right?  IP: Logged |
Moonfish
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posted June 27, 2012 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by Jovian:
Yes, ahem....MOVING ON. Wow, Moonfish-- You are much more diplomatic with these two than I could ever be. That's why I could never moderate a board like this one. ...
oh Thank you I just noticed that there was a misunderstanding is all, and sure ya can ^^ if you want to be a mod go for it. btw Nice to meet youIP: Logged |
David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 02:13 PM
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Originally posted by Dreaming111:
Ok, everyone.Stop. I mean both sides. Look whether we agree or we agree to disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Period. It can be controversial; it can be widely accepted. This thread was not to judge people but simply to learn about the said aspects or any others that you might have come across. I don't want anyone to write about their life philosphies on here, because I genuinely don't care about that. If you can't keep to the topic please know that you are not invited to waste time on this thread. I hope that was clear enough for ALL you.
The thing about homosexuality itself was never my point. It just happened to be the subject connected to what I was trying to say to you from the outset. My focus was on the Astrology and the conclusions being drawn from the astrology connected to the subject. We could have been talking about wealth building and my argument would have been almost the same.
Because Astrology is an interpreted art, science, set of laws, however one personally sees Astrology, the slippery slope one slides down is when you try, in advance, to find a conclusion to an idea you already have about what planet placements and geographic relations to one another mean.
If there are to be any objective conclusions drawn from planet aspects related to romance, love, and sexuality then you need a body of natal and other charts that have been collected and then a confirmation about the preferences of the individuals that the charts belong to needs collection and analysis.Otherwise you have old wives tales.
In essence you are asking for trend analysis. Looking at X number of events and seeing what percentages or instances point to conclusion Y or conclusion Z. The observations and conclusions drawn cannot be based upon anectdotal instances of " my uncle's chart had Venus conjunct da da da da da" and so was my cousin's friend and they are both gay." No! That cannot be an intelligent basis for drawing a correlation between specific planet positions and how they are connected in a natal or transitional chart to what sexual behaviour a group of individuals with similar planet charts exhibit.
The other potential rabbit hole is that you may see an aspect or placement that figures commonly in a collection of charts, as someone pointed out- "...in a lot of gay men's charts." But maybe that placement exists in charts of other men or women whom are not homosexual. That commonality, across what, 10, 20, 50, 100 readings- isn't conclusive in and of itself unless it is unique, or other indicators that exist ONLY in gay men's charts accompany it. You follow?
To do so is doing a gross disservice to the person the chart belongs to and to others considering using Astrology as a tool to make decisions affecting their or their loved one's lives. Making wish-fulfillment or fate fulfilling statements and choices based upon at best, flimsy information and flawed raw data is neither productive nor a wise way to make decisions.
I wish I had approached this this way at the beginning. I am trying to help and I don't help the cause by engaging in bombast and unchecked stream of consciousness. But the underlying desire, that gets lost in the battle of hurt feelings and angry opposition, the desire is real. The need to steer people away from folly is a passion. No, it is more directed and ongoing than that, it is drive, a mission. And my credentials, that is, as a representative qualified in following folly, well, my record in that regard is impeccable. IP: Logged |
David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Linda Jones:
Hi DBE ... or S (whichever you prefer) [b]"That I need to modify how I express my points so that they don't get misconstrued- that part I can clearly see is arecurring theme- thus I need to make sure that what I mean, comes across" I think this is an excellent idea you have If it helps, maybe you could try using shorter sentences and simpler grammar, for example? I think your command of the language is excellent actually. But for simple folks like me lol, it may help if I read shorter sentences so that the thoughts being presented flow in a sequence ... you know? Like one thought per sentence ... or something. Not trying to offend. I myself am guilty of using too many words lol. My posts can sometimes be very long! Anyway, please don't feel ganged up on. The topic itself is controversial, so opposition to ideas is to be expected, right? [/B]
You don't at all offend me lady. Thank you for the kind words.
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Linda Jones
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posted June 27, 2012 02:48 PM
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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
You don't at all offend me lady. Thank you for the kind words.
S
You're welcome!! And your latest post above is a perfect example of an unbiased, rational view. I like *EDIT*
er ... except for the use of "idiotic." That may offend some, ya? IP: Logged |
David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 03:02 PM
Thank you.Yes,you are correct, it would offend. So, I fixed the idiotic reference. Thank you for that nudge in the right direction of diplomacy. 
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Linda Jones
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posted June 27, 2012 03:14 PM
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Originally posted by David Bowie Eyes:
Thank you.Yes,you are correct, it would offend. So, I fixed the idiotic reference. Thank you for that nudge in the right direction of diplomacy.
S
K, now that post is perrfecto! Imo. "Making wish-fulfillment or fate fulfilling statements and choices based upon at best, flimsy information and flawed raw data is neither productive nor a wise way to make decisions." I especially like your use of "wise" here. Am personally nuts about any kind of wisdom.
Hey, you know what, you're not a bad sort at all. And thank you for putting time and considered thought behind this post that I like very much. Look forward to reading more of its kind. IP: Logged |
David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 03:31 PM
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RedScorp
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posted June 27, 2012 07:59 PM
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Actually it isn't. There's more art in astrology than actual science. Making observational inferences =/= SCIENCE.There is nothing conclusive in astrology whatsoever.
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David Bowie Eyes
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posted June 27, 2012 09:05 PM
"Actually it isn't. There's more art in astrology than actual science. Making observational inferences =/= SCIENCE."
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Originally posted by RedScorp:
There is nothing conclusive in astrology whatsoever.
Nonetheless, the discussion about various common elements amongst various charts possibly belonging to male homosexuals has piqued my interest. And because I've opposed the idea of drawing concrete conclusions or even speculative inference from chart data that does not mean that the other absolute holds true either without extensive investigation. The other absolute being that no concrete conclusions nor even inferences can be drawn as a concrete conclusion.
From an investigative perspective it is an exciting idea. Why? Because it opens up more questions. More questions means more pondering. More pondering leads to more investigating. More investigating leads to greater understanding. Not understanding nor even knowledge in the absolute sense of finding the "answer" or "answers" to what you were originally chasing after.
But more understanding amongst the peoples doing the pondering. Greater (deeper is better) understanding of each other because of the PROCESS that you share, the teamwork involved. The breaking down firstintrapersonal walls within ourselves and then chipping away at the interpersonal walls between peoples that end up finding out they have more in common than they thought. Steve IP: Logged |
Belage
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posted June 27, 2012 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by AscTaurus:
Nothing!That would give the assumption that there is something "special" about being homosexual. I once heard that Uranus-Venus, 7th house are "homosexualy inclined" aspects. I, being a homosexual myself, say that there is very little evidence in a natal chart that would indicate this. I have no Uranus-Venus aspects and my Uranus sits in eighth-making no major aspects with any of my personal planets. So, I wouldn't say that there are....
Not sure if it's been pointed out (I didn't want to read all 4 pages of e-fights) Uranus in 8 house would indicate unusual sex life, even if it is not making any major aspects with your personal planets. Uranus stands for the unusual and that which goes against the norm, that which is different from the norm, and in our society, hetero is the norm...
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