posted July 18, 2012 10:26 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Pluto deals with the subconscious. Maybe subconsciously you put off a guarded and intimidating vibe without realizing it.

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posted July 18, 2012 11:09 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
I have this aspect and I yearn for a genuine female friendship. I make friends with women but they always end up against me somehow. I am the best friend anyone can have and warm too and I have the moon in leo square pluto as well.

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I agree with this, I've always wanted genuine friendship with females but it seems difficult for them not to compete with me. I get along better with guys in general. This has made me prefer very successful females because they've obviously got their own thing going on. Plus I get inspired by them (yes, you're supposed to get inspired and happy for them, not jealous!) and it feels more balanced between us. With my other friends I tend to hold back and diminish myself, and that's just not right.

Moon in Capricorn square Pluto in Libra 1°35.
Venus in Capricorn square Pluto in Libra 1°23.

posted July 18, 2012 11:14 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
No,that's Neptune.
Pluto is control and self-actualization through many power facets,actively,purposefully.

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posted July 18, 2012 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
But Pluto deals with everything "below," taboo stuff, the dirty nitty gritty of our beings...so maybe not subconscious, but dang close.

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posted July 18, 2012 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
But Pluto deals with everything "below," taboo stuff, the dirty nitty gritty of our beings...so maybe not subconscious, but dang close.

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posted July 18, 2012 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
Jealousy from other women. Can anyone share any about it please!

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posted July 18, 2012 02:18 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i think this thread proves that women are inherently evil. Not at all like the loving sensitive creatures shown on tv.

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posted July 19, 2012 02:49 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
I make friends with women but they always end up against me somehow.

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posted July 19, 2012 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Astra:
My own aunt literally tried to sell me to some random man when I was only 5 years old.

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posted July 19, 2012 02:54 AM            

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Originally posted by pandacake:
I guess she just has the power to evoke really intense emotions/responses from others.

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posted July 19, 2012 02:55 AM            

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Originally posted by intriguingineveryway:
Are oppositions like a switch or something, they can control their intensity, and squares are more uncontrollable?

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posted July 19, 2012 02:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Originally posted by curiouswoman:
[b]I make friends with women but they always end up against me somehow.

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Does the opposition have more or less the same effect as a square in this case? Because I kind of relate to curiouswoman. I get along with women a lot better and easier than with guys, but as time goes on I find myself nitpicking the friendship, noticing certain patterns, and pretty soon I begin not to trust them as whole heartedly as before. I keep these feelings to myself though. So, is it me? Or them?

posted July 19, 2012 03:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
You have different standards now, that's what it sounds like to me. So maybe some re-arranging is in order. But if it's all of them that this happens with now, I dunno, maybe you're hanging with the wrong crowd, maybe you've changed internally but haven't sorted out your relationships to reflect that. It doesn't sound like Moon opp Pluto to me if this is something that's recently surfaced, and that's how I'm understanding your post, that this is relatively new.

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Kind of sort of. You made some good points. I think it's been going on awhile but I didn't realize it was a pattern of mine until recently.

posted July 19, 2012 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by curiouswoman:
[b]I make friends with women but they always end up against me somehow.

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posted July 19, 2012 07:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by curiouswoman:
[b]I make friends with women but they always end up against me somehow.

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posted July 19, 2012 08:20 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
i'm a man with the moon/pluto opposition and i have women who are hateful towards me for no good reason lol.

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Well, to be fair, you do have some negative and hostile attitudes towards women. I really feel like they pick up on that.

I don't think that you are a bad person, but, at the same time, I think that, as I've said many times, changing things internally would probably help you out a lot and would improve your relationships with women. I think, too, that you argue a lot with women about the feminine experience and about women's issues/perspectives when you might profit more from listening, accepting, and being open to changing your views on a few things, or at the very least being more willing to embrace and understand 'the other side' and to not invalidate it.

I think, too, that you may see that as "anti-male" and that this might be holding you back. Being a male feminist or being an ally to women doesn't mean that you become a woman or lose your identity. It just means that you fine-tune a few things and refine yourself a bit, not that you give up all of who you are. To use a food analogy (hey, Cancer moon here), it's like if you're making, say, this delicious recipe with fruit in it. You don't throw out all of the fruit, but you do throw away the pits, seeds, and other inedible/not-so-good parts of it. You don't get rid of the whole, just what is no longer working for you. What's your north node again, by the way? Looking to that for help could also benefit you a lot.

I don't say this to be hateful. I want to see you succeed, honestly. I look forward to the day when you'll find your happy ending with Ms. Right and share that good news with us, and I'm sure that plenty of others here would also be happy for you.

To make that happen, though, you have to be willing to change and grow. You can do it and turn things around--I really believe that you have that capability, if you really want to do that, and I wish you the best of luck.

I would give this same advice, too, to other men who struggle with relationships with women.

posted July 19, 2012 09:15 AM            

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Well, to be fair, you do have some negative and hostile attitudes towards women. I really feel like they pick up on that.

I don't think that you are a bad person, but, at the same time, I think that, as I've said many times, changing things internally would probably help you out a lot and would improve your relationships with women. I think, too, that you argue a lot with women about the feminine experience and about women's issues/perspectives when you might profit more from listening, accepting, and being open to changing your views on a few things, or at the very least being more willing to embrace and understand 'the other side' and to not invalidate it.

I think, too, that you may see that as "anti-male" and that this might be holding you back. Being a male feminist or being an ally to women doesn't mean that you become a woman or lose your identity. It just means that you fine-tune a few things and refine yourself a bit, not that you give up all of who you are. To use a food analogy (hey, Cancer moon here), it's like if you're making, say, this delicious recipe with fruit in it. You don't throw out all of the fruit, but you do throw away the pits, seeds, and other inedible/not-so-good parts of it. You don't get rid of the whole, just what is no longer working for you. What's your north node again, by the way? Looking to that for help could also benefit you a lot.

I don't say this to be hateful. I want to see you succeed, honestly. I look forward to the day when you'll find your happy ending with Ms. Right and share that good news with us, and I'm sure that plenty of others here would also be happy for you.

To make that happen, though, you have to be willing to change and grow. You can do it and turn things around--I really believe that you have that capability, if you really want to do that, and I wish you the best of luck.

I would give this same advice, too, to other men who struggle with relationships with women.

Personally, I'm seeing the truth of changing things internally in my own life. I've really been working on trying to be more assertive. When I am assertive, I feel so much better, and I feel like people respect me more. It really does work to change things internally and, in time, it may bring the other changes that you want.

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posted July 19, 2012 10:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
Done wrong by all, huh. I'm gonna humor you, you know Julian Assange and his female troubles. n.Venus sq Pluto.

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posted July 19, 2012 11:37 AM            

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No Lonake, you misunderstood! I had genuine friendships but they all ended when the women ended up in serious relationships where they thought it would be best to keep me at arms length, even when I was in a relationship myself. You have to meet me to know me to understand me. Don't attack.
I am the type of person to go to the end of the world for someone I love which I've done numerous occasions however, it seems THE NICER I am the MORE they need to push me away. It's a damn ifi do damn if I don't. It's weird. The fact that this became a pattern that I started NOT to trust women in general.

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posted July 19, 2012 11:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Lonake:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by curiouswoman:
[b]I make friends with women but they always end up against me somehow.

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