posted January 03, 2013 03:31 AM            

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Originally posted by inaworldofsong:
I have:
Taurus rising - opposite it's ruler Venus in Scorpio.
Moon in Libra - sextile Sun (Sagittarius).
Mars in Leo in the 5th.
Neptune conjunct MC.
7th house - Jupiter/Mercury/Pluto conjunction and North Node. Scorpio stellium. Venus conjunct the DC by 1*, and Sun just barely over the 8th house cusp by a few minutes (and widely conjunct Pluto/Jup/Merc).
10th house - Neptune and Uranus, both conjunct MC.

I'm planning to transfer to a communications school next fall. I really love theatre, film, and writing. I love singing and am pretty good at it but have never had the opportunity to get any private training so I wouldn't stand a chance in auditions against people who have. I've also tried my hand at writing music, and I'm not too terrible at that for a first try!

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Thanks for sharing!
I like writing songs too....i write poetry basically..

posted January 03, 2013 05:50 AM            

i am quite good singer and dancer..and I go to high school of visual arts..
But when i sing my voice is kind of rougher like deeper..maybe thats what saturn did..

posted January 03, 2013 09:46 AM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
I was thinking lot of fire and water in the chart?
And maybe mars in 8th or 12th house?
maybe even mars in nice aspects to neptune or uranus or pluto?
Also lot of piscean placements?
Mars-venus aspects?

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Specific elements are arguable water signs would add fluidity and emotion, air would add perfection for technique, fire would had ambition and passion and earth would give one endurance to not only perform but to stick with said art form for years. But there's a reason there are so many different types of dance, music and vocal genres because art can't be confined to one element.

Astrologically yes the best bet are the 9 muses asteroids, Terpsichore is found in many famous dancers natal charts.
Anna Pavlova has 16 Libra trines the Sun at 24 Aquarius, opposes both Venus and Saturn at 10 and 24 Aries, and is inconjunct Neptune at 11 Taurus. Vaslav Nijinsk has Terpsichore at 28 Aries conjoins Venus at 6 Taurus and is semisextile Neptune at 29 Taurus. They were both help established the Russian Ballet .

Another set of dancers with this placement was Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. Fred Astaire’s natal Terpsichore at 27 Gemini conjoins Neptune at 23 Gemini, opposing Saturn at 22 Sagittarius. Ginger Rogers’ (born 16 July 1911) natal Terpsichore at 5 Sagittarius is sesquiquadrate to a Sun/Neptune conjunction at 23 and 21 Cancer, and squared Venus at 8 Virgo.

Gene Kelly singer and dancer from "Singing in the Rain" had natal Terpsichore at 5 Pisces opposes both the Sun at 0 Virgo and Venus at 13 Virgo, and forms a T-Square with Saturn at 3 Gemini.

posted January 03, 2013 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by ail221:
Specific elements are arguable water signs would had fluidity and emotion, air would add perfection for technique, fire would had ambition and passion and earth would give one endurance to not only perform but to stick with said art form for years. But there's a reason there are so many different types of dance, music and vocal genres because art can't be confined to one element.

Astrologically yes the best bet are the 9 muses asteroids, Terpsichore is found in many famous dancers natal charts.
Anna Pavlova has 16 Libra trines the Sun at 24 Aquarius, opposes both Venus and Saturn at 10 and 24 Aries, and is inconjunct Neptune at 11 Taurus. Vaslav Nijinsk has Terpsichore at 28 Aries conjoins Venus at 6 Taurus and is semisextile Neptune at 29 Taurus. They were both help established the Russian Ballet .

Another set of dancers with this placement was Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. Fred Astaire’s natal Terpsichore at 27 Gemini conjoins Neptune at 23 Gemini, opposing Saturn at 22 Sagittarius. Ginger Rogers’ (born 16 July 1911) natal Terpsichore at 5 Sagittarius is sesquiquadrate to a Sun/Neptune conjunction at 23 and 21 Cancer, and squared Venus at 8 Virgo.

Gene Kelly singer and dancer from "Singing in the Rain" had natal Terpsichore at 5 Pisces opposes both the Sun at 0 Virgo and Venus at 13 Virgo, and forms a T-Square with Saturn at 3 Gemini.

Michael Flatley "lord of the dance" has natal Terpsichore at 0 Libra is broadly squared Venus at 23 Gemini and semisextile Neptune at 2 Scorpio.

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posted January 03, 2013 10:31 AM            

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Originally posted by Lola136:
My Terpischore conjuncts venus and mercury squares mars, and opposes jupiter

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posted January 03, 2013 02:53 PM            

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Moon conjunct Asc
Mercury conjunct/ trine venus
Moon conjunct/trine Neptune.
Venus conjunct MC
Fifth and Seventh Harmonics chart would indicate talent as well.
Water grand trines

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nope...

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Libra for artistic/musical talent in general.

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nope...

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Neptune, Neptune, NEPTUNE.
It rules all arts and forms of creativity.

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Not sure. My partner has negative Neptune aspects, nothing beneficial that I can see. ???

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Libra Moon
Sun conjunct Neptune
ASC trine Neptune
Venus trine MC
Sun, Venus, Neptune in 5H
Mars in Taurus

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nope...

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Moon trine Neptune+Uranus
Neptune+Uranus trine my MC
Neptune as my 4th house ruler
Sun in Libra in the 10th

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nope...

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Venus in Pisces and
Moon in Cancer in the 10th
Sun in Taurus in the 8th square Neptune in the 5th

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nope...

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Taurus rising - opposite it's ruler Venus in Scorpio.
Moon in Libra - sextile Sun (Sagittarius).
Mars in Leo in the 5th.

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nope...

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Neptune conjunct MC.

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Yes... yay! We have one match lol!

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7th house - Jupiter/Mercury/Pluto conjunction and North Node. Scorpio stellium. Venus conjunct the DC by 1*, and Sun just barely over the 8th house cusp by a few minutes (and widely conjunct Pluto/Jup/Merc).
10th house - Neptune and Uranus, both conjunct MC.

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Partly. He has Neptune in 10th house.

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I was thinking lot of fire and water in the chart?
And maybe mars in 8th or 12th house?
maybe even mars in nice aspects to neptune or uranus or pluto?
Also lot of piscean placements?
Mars-venus aspects?

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nope...

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moon conjunct ascendant in the 1st
Neptune in 1st trines Venus,squares MC in libra ,sextiles saturn in pisces(dont know what to think bout that lol)
3 house on pisces cusp. with saturn in it :S
5th house on taurus cusp
And venus in 5th gemini conjuncts my mercury and trines uranus
sun is at the end of house 6 so i guess its in 7th
it opposes my moon and ascendant and trines MC
mercury quintile neptune

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nope...

In other words, I am not sure artistic talent has an astrological basis.

posted January 03, 2013 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by DeathIsanIllusion:
I have been singing all my life. My voice sounds like a combination between the voices of Johnette Napolitano, Anouk, Nina Hagen and Sandra Nasic; but I can also hit higher notes, whistle ones included. I used to do growling once in a while in the past. I can do all this while living with a thyroid nodule. I dance too. I even used to play the classical guitar. I can't do it anymore because of my left hand's condition which is worse than Django Reinhardt's, surgery scars all stretching to my axillary area; and I still have many more in other places. I could 'learn' again playing it left-handedly, but it would still be very hard.

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posted January 03, 2013 06:36 PM            

Gelsey Kirkland has her moon in Gemini.

Alessandra Ferri has Mercury in Gemini conjunct her Midheaven.

Allegra Kent has nothing in Gemini (except Chiron), but she does have Mercury conjunct Neptune.

Carla Fracci has her IC in Gemini, and...Mercury conjunct Neptune, like Allegra Kent.

Anna Pavlova's chart has no birthtime...nothing in Gemini, but her Mercury was possibly in Pisces AND in aspect to...Neptune.

Margot Fonteyn's IC is Gemini and there's Mercury forming a hard aspect to Neptune.

Nijinsky had Mercury in Pisces, forming a hard aspect to Neptune as well.

posted January 03, 2013 06:41 PM            

Rudolph Nureyev is where it gets interesting - he didn't have anything in Gemini, and at first glance I thought I saw Neptune in aspect to Mercury, but turns out the orb is too wide so there's no aspect.

posted January 03, 2013 07:39 PM            

I have the conjunction in Capricorn.
I was a dancer when I was in college. And uhmm..yeah, I believe I was a good dancer. I was told too that I had charisma on stage.

posted January 03, 2013 07:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Xerxes:
This is a subject of particular interest to me, so my observations are the result of years of analyzation. From what I gather, the charts of talented performing artists always reflect at least a few of the following factors:

Positive Sun/AC or Moon/AC aspects
Moon/Mercury aspects
Moon/Neptune aspects
Mercury/Neptune aspects
Venus in aspect to Uranus/Neptune/Pluto or MC
Difficult Mars/Jupiter aspects
Prominent 3rd House
Prominent Taurus, Leo, Libra
Cancer Midheaven or Moon in the 10th
Quintiles and BiQuintiles also very important!

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posted January 03, 2013 07:43 PM            

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Positive Sun/AC or Moon/AC aspects

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trine

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Moon/Mercury aspects

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sextile

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Venus in aspect to Uranus/Neptune/Pluto or MC

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Venus trine MC

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Prominent 3rd House

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I don't know if it counts but there's my only water planet there, Pluto in Scorpio

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Prominent Taurus, Leo, Libra

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Taurus Mars, Leo Jupiter, Libra Moon so maybe?

Not that I'm bragging

Thanks for sharing!

posted January 04, 2013 02:40 AM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
[b]StacyLewis,while Mercury is a staple when discussing motorics of any kind,most of your examples are restricted by the type of dance (modern ballet in its infancy) and generational synastry : how their natals interact with planet placemenets that dictate the decade(s) and therefore the artistic expression. Now their work is considered revolutionary/classic so it'd be good to look for those marks as well. [/B]

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That's right, all of them do involve ballet, because that was what I was speaking on specifically because I have no interest in other forms of dance. Nowhere in those posts did I claim that I was commenting on all forms of dance. My focus was strictly on the one that holds any real personal value or interest for me, personally. I decided to leave the research for jazz and modern, to people who actually have interest in those forms. I do not. I'm not even sure if I consider modern dance to be a legitimate, real form of dance, but that's a personal view that's really outside the scope and focus of this thread.

And...modern ballet is "in its infancy"? You do know modern ballet started in the 1600s or 1700s, right? Maybe even earlier, in the royal courts of Europe. All the info I posted, involved dancers from the 19th and 20th centuries, hundreds and hundreds of years into the artform. Referring to the artform as being in its infancy, with all due respect, shows a bit of ignorance on the subject matter.

I'm not sure where the synastry and generational comments have any logical basis or relevance here either, because all of the dancers I've mentioned were considered excellent and extremely talented, both during their prime and even long after their deaths (in the cases of those who have passed on), so it can't be argued that 'they weren't that good - they just had good synastry with certain generations', as you insinuated.

All of them were hired by the best dance companies in the world that have extremely high standards of who who they'll hire. They were all promoted to the top levels of those companies, as high as you can go. All of them were worldwide stars in the dance world, both during their heyday and decades after they stopped dancing (or even died). They're the Who's Who of ballet, the ones whose pictures are iconic, the ones that the current crop of dancers you see now, aspire to be like.

Dancers who were temporary fads and sensations - sure, you could pin that sort of thing on generational synastry, absolutely, but the ones who stand the test of time and are revered among multiple generations (with totally different outer planet positions), even long after they die? That's something else. That's talent.

posted January 04, 2013 03:11 AM            

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Originally posted by StacyLewis:
I'm not even sure if I consider modern dance to be a legitimate, real form of dance, but that's a personal view that's really outside the scope and focus of this thread.

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And if you don't step out of limits of your personal preferences/opinions,you won't notice much.

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And...modern ballet is "in its infancy"? You do know modern ballet started in the 1600s or 1700s, right? Maybe even earlier, in the royal courts of Europe.

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You are confusing modern with reformatory.

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Referring to the artform as being in its infancy, with all due respect, shows a bit of ignorance on the subject matter.

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And by this you are practically negating the progress which I am sure you didn't plan. History does recognize turning points,and thrives on them.

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I'm not sure where the synastry and generational comments have any logical basis or relevance here either, because all of the dancers I've mentioned were considered excellent and extremely talented, both during their prime and even long after their deaths (in the cases of those who have passed on), so it can't be argued that 'they weren't that good - they just had good synastry with certain generations', as you insinuated.

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Then give me the benefit of nonsensical,since you took effort in replying and I wouldn't want to leave the shadow of your doing.
Yes,natal charts of people significant to history are closely connected to the collective pysche of generations,both present and those to come. (as shown by generational planets)

And at "insinuating" Naughty me!

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All of them were hired by the best dance companies in the world that have extremely high standards of who who they'll hire. They were all promoted to the top levels of those companies, as high as you can go. All of them were worldwide stars in the dance world, both during their heyday and decades after they stopped dancing (or even died). They're the Who's Who of ballet, the ones whose pictures are iconic, the ones that the current crop of dancers you see now, aspire to be like.

Dancers who were temporary fads and sensations - sure, you could pin that sort of thing on generational synastry, absolutely, but the ones who stand the test of time and are revered among multiple generations (with totally different outer planet positions), even long after they die? That's something else. That's talent.

Sure, Neptune is a generational planet but it symbolizes more than the ability to sway the masses, it also rules the arts and creativity in general, and the rule of thumb is that outers play a much more prominent role on a personal level in terms of an individual's inclinations and abilities, if they form an aspect to an inner planet in a chart. Mercury is an inner/personal planet, so while I do appreciate your thoughts, they aren't entirely sound from an astrological standpoint.

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All nice and dandy,congratulations on having an opinion.
However,my critique was aimed at your astrological deriving system rather than your... Knowledge of the history of art : and your reply only shows your confidence on the matter.

posted January 04, 2013 05:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Xerxes:
Positive Sun/AC or Moon/AC aspects
Moon/Mercury aspects
Moon/Neptune aspects
Mercury/Neptune aspects
Venus in aspect to Uranus/Neptune/Pluto or MC
Difficult Mars/Jupiter aspects
Prominent 3rd House
Prominent Taurus, Leo, Libra
Cancer Midheaven or Moon in the 10th
Quintiles and BiQuintiles also very important!

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1.moon conjunct AC , sun opposition AC
4.mercury quintile neptune
5.venus trine neptune and uranus, opposition pluto,quintile MC
6.mars square jupiter
7.saturn in 3rd ;S, 3rd on pisces cusp
8.libra MC
9.moon quintile MC,mercury quintile neptune, sun biquintile uranus, mercury biquintile NN

posted January 04, 2013 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by VenusDiSirius:
And if you don't step out of limits of your personal preferences/opinions,you won't notice much.

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Personal preference. I focused on my personal area of interest. I'm not obligated to study forms I have no interest in and don't consider art to pacify you. If you're interested in them, by all means feel free to do the work in researching them.

I will say this though, for the record - purely for giggles, I ran Michael Jackson's natal chart (he wasn't a ballet dancer, obviously), and he had a Mercury-Neptune aspect as well, albeit the orb is huge, and Astrodiesnt didn't post it in the aspect grid below his chart.

So it's entirely possible that your subtle insinuation that Mercury-Neptune only indicates dance talent in ballet specifically, doesn't have a leg to stand on either.

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You are confusing modern with reformatory.

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If anything, modern dance is in its infancy. You insisting that ballet is in its infancy is the first time I've heard anyone refer to anything that is centuries of years old and has undergone constant changes during that time, as being an "infant". The fact that female dancers even dance on their toes (en pointe) wasn't there from the beginning, that was a development that came later.

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Then give me the benefit of nonsensical,since you took effort in replying and I wouldn't want to leave the shadow of your doing.
Yes,natal charts of people significant to history are closely connected to the collective pysche of generations,both present and those to come. (as shown by generational planets)

And at "insinuating" Naughty me![QUOTE]

This is like the second time you've said this and it still makes no sense LOL. Like I said before, if these were artists who were popular in their era and then panned by everyone that came after them as talentless, then maybe you'd be on to something when you say it's a case of good synastry and not talent.

But when you have decades and decades of people with different sign placement of the outers, all singing their praises, that can't be attributed to good synastry because odds are that they don't have good outer-planet synastry with all those groups. There's bound to be some squares or oppositions in there somewhere. Especially when you start talking about the dancers from way back, like Pavlova and Nijinksy who are still revered today by current generations.

These people are still gushed over like that and weren't a temporary-phase, because of their level of talent and artistic merit. If they weren't any good, they would've only been popular with the generations they had good synastry with, and that's it. Their names wouldn't have lived on all the way up to now, being touted as the best in their field.

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All nice and dandy,congratulations on having an opinion.
However,my critique was aimed at your astrological deriving system rather than your... Knowledge of the history of art : and your reply only shows your confidence on the matter.

P.s You are such a rebel No cause,though.

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No congratulations necessary, I had them long before you and will continue to long after I've forgotten this exchange, you're incidental LOL.

And actually, considering your entire last post had about ten percent astrological content, and really the one before it was probably only half astrological, I think this is less about the astrology for you than wanting to just engage in a general p*ssing contest with someone and maybe taking offense because I didn't give opinions you agreed with in my initial posts.

Frankly, that's not my problem. I don't have to like what you like and do what you want me to. I'm my own person, and I can express my views, and fortunately I'm a little further along in my personal evolution than you are, so that I can do so without resorting to personal attacks and veiled insults about the other party's natal chart like you just did.

posted January 04, 2013 05:41 PM            

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No, but I do think you're trying to save face because you spoke on a subject you're ignorant about and wound up being corrected on it, so now you're backpedaling. Your comments never mentioned anything about modern vs reformatory - you said outright that ballet as a dance form was in its infancy and had just begun not that long ago.The comments are there for
anyone to read, and they're factually incorrect. In fact, ballet existed long before modern dance
and modern dance came about solely because a handful of dancers like Isadora Duncan, felt
limited by the rules of ballet and decided to go off and come up with their own thing.

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You could do well to read "them" again,then,much of my comments exist in your head only

Posters like you come and go.

posted January 05, 2013 06:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Lola136:

i am quite good singer and dancer..and I go to high school of visual arts..
But when i sing my voice is kind of rougher like deeper..maybe thats what saturn did..

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