posted March 07, 2013 08:49 PM            

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Originally posted by CherryVodka:

Maybe a synastry chart, but in my experience Synastry charts aren't always so accurate.

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mm...
this left me thinking.
side-track here...my apologies to the op.
you mean that the synastry chart didnt encompass the relationship overall? maybe one needs to balance the perspective with a composite chart?

posted March 07, 2013 09:00 PM            

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Originally posted by CherryVodka:the women I know with Scorp Venus if they did sleep with a stranger or someone they don't know a whole lot. They will still get attached even if it's only slightly.

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I have Venus in 8th house, which is like Venus in Scorpio and i do get attached to everyone i have sex with. Needles to say, I only have sex with people whom i previously felt attracted to, physically and emotionaly.
If they cross me and betray me, my love/lust ( love and lust is the same for me) dies and I will not be back to them again.
So yes, back to the point, i always get attached after sex. The good thing is, they also get attached to me, which means i never had a one night stand even if it may started that way.

posted March 07, 2013 09:18 PM            

First and foremost, Yes! We CAN move slow. I will never just sleep with any random stranger. In fact, I adamantly refuse to sleep with people for at least a few weeks. For me, sex isn't just a physical "expression" that I can easily indulge in--my emotions need to be involved if I am going to sleep with someone. That's not to say I think we're in love or we're going to be in love, but I think CherryVodka brought up the point that if a Venus-Scorp is going to sleep with someone, they're going to need to think it's going somewhere. I'm not sure if that's really as deep or romantic as it comes off though--it speaks more to a sense of security or a need to not be vulnerable in such a compromising position for both the ego and heart (again, spot on CherryVodka with the "I want love so bad but I cannot show like I need the person or I'm weak'' comment).

Hikoro and CherryVodka also brought up a binary I can definitely attest to:

Hikoro: remember, scorpio is all about extremes, just like a venus in scorpio can give that love, she/he can kill that love as if it never existed. that love can disappear...just like that.
CherryVodka: If they love you, their love for you is so strong that they cannot be deterred no matter if you hurt them a million times. They struggle with this, and find happiness in it all the same, they have a very fertile love life and a rich one full of emotions.

Hikoro's comment is the way I feel about most men I come into contact with on a sexual/romantic level. This might be due to my Pluto conjunct my Venus in Scorpio (I'm aware this is also a generational thing, and I think a lot of people in my age group probably carry this around with them as well...but, still, i find a lot of people don't approach sex/relationships the way I do), but even if I sleep with someone and I *know* I'm not into him....I can break it off, no guilt, no strings, nothing leftover. The flipside, though, is when i AM super emotionally involved, and I act like CherryVodka says...it's really hard to get over someone who I've felt deeply for, and I can't make something end at the drop of a hat like I can with men I don't care about. I think most women my age cling to casual relationships/sexual partners even if they know it's not going to work out just because they want someone there, and so I like my Venus-Pluto in Scorpio for allowing me to not dwell in or on superficial and dead-end situations. I do, however, hate it for making me crazy over someone I've cared for EVEN when I know that particular relationship also came to an impasse.

GirlyGirl2000 also said something that resonated with me: "indifference hurts anyone with a prominent Scorpio." This goes more with casual partners for me...even if I know someone doesn't hold the potential for a relationship, I can't stand when they reciprocate that same sentiment openly. It makes my Venus go mad! In these situations I can also "dwell" the same way I'd dwell on someone I truly loved, but definitely not to the same extent.

One thing I have also noticed about myself is that even though I "cling" to fruitless/dying relationships, I am always extremely aware that it isn't something that is healthy or positive anymore...it's just hard to let go, mostly because of comfort I would say. But that's how a lot of people feel toward the end of a relationship I guess. My venus-scorp makes me push people to their limit though, it makes me test and manipulate them until they're the ones who leave me, because I never think they will...and then when they do I'm heartbroken and so begins the preoccupation with whomever my last significant other was. Even when I'm not in love anymore, I'm still incredibly interested in that person and what he's doing, who he's dating, etc etc...but to a degree that is more obsessive than people without this placement I think.

posted March 07, 2013 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by calliope23:

I always wonder what it would be like to date a Venus-Scorp person because I want to know how I come across since I feel like I have a pretty blurry idea of how "intense" I actually seem.

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Mmm...i wonder how it would be to date a man with mars in scorpio....
yummy....
i have my eyes on a scorp mars...im just hoping that one day....one day....i will get that explosive-merging sex.
that sex that will truly feel like death...so exquisite-crazy-profound....pass out.
i dont know how scorpio venus would be in a man though...im not sure i would appreciate this placement in a man.
but a man with venus and mars in scorp...mmm, that may not be so bad, not bad at all.

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My venus-scorp makes me push people to their limit though, it makes me test and manipulate them until they're the ones who leave me, because I never think they will...and then when they do I'm heartbroken and so begins the preoccupation with whomever my last significant other was.

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im pretty sure that none of your partners left unchanged though, correct?
they were 'transformed' or 'touched' somehow....
but, isnt this testing done to see how far that person would go? to see if that person has what it takes to be with us...but some times, it ends up becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy? the scorpio got stung by his/her own hand.

there are threads out there on the scorpio test...

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Everyone else seems to have more cynical views of this placement, so maybe us Venus-Scorps really do just scare the sh*t out of everyone and feel sorry for it because we can't possibly fathom why no one wants to "feel" as deeply as we do. Makes sense for the whole hopelessly holding onto this pipe dream of a perfect partner who "gets us" thing (again with the clinging, haha).

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i think i found our song....Love Hurts by Nazareth
http://youtu.be/soDZBW-1P04

posted March 07, 2013 09:45 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
i dont know how scorpio venus would be in a man though...im not sure i would appreciate this placement in a man.

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oh, gosh...yeah I feel the same way. I know exactly how I can drive people mad and infuriate them with my behavior in romantic situations (I've been told enough times, haha), so I would totally hate to come across someone so similar to me. I meant more that I want to view myself as others do, objectively. I think I'm the bees knees, but of course as Larry David says, "I'm not for everyone."

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Originally posted by hikoro:
im pretty sure that none of your partners left unchanged though, correct?
they were 'transformed' or 'touched' somehow....

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As for this: yes, definitely. Almost everyone I have dated has left with saying they've never loved anyone the way they have me, or been loved by someone like me...basically that I have shown them what "true" love means, what it means to feel and hurt for and rejoice in someone. So I've got that going for me, haha. I guess another reason I want to "date someone like me" is because I've never felt this way about anyone. I've always been the emotional caretaker/leader/teacher (my Cancer moon in 4H obviously plays a part in this), but I've never had a truly passionate, head-over-heels love for anyone who has "transformed" me. There's always been initial passion, but once the game subsides it immediately grows too shallow a well for me to be truly emotionally satisfied or reshaped. I wonder how much deeper you can really make a Venus-Pluto 8H scorpio person though? That might just be asking for every ring of hell, ha!

posted March 07, 2013 09:46 PM            

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Originally posted by calliope23:
I've got Venus Scorpio in 8H....so I feel

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^ Very well explained. I have Scorpio Venus in Scorpio ruled 8H too (with Pluto in Libra ironically enough) so Venus/Scorpio energy is strong in me. I think one part of your response which spoke deeply to me, is how Scorpio is about extremes. People sometimes have difficulty grasping the idea that two extremes can occupy the same person at virtually the same time. With Scorpio you can despise someone to the point of wanting them dead and in the same feeling, long for them to love you.

posted March 07, 2013 10:07 PM            

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Originally posted by calliope23:
I've always been the emotional caretaker/leader/teacher (my Cancer moon in 4H obviously plays a part in this), but I've never had a truly passionate, head-over-heels love for anyone who has "transformed" me. There's always been initial passion, but once the game subsides it immediately grows too shallow a well for me to be truly emotionally satisfied or reshaped. I wonder how much deeper you can really make a Venus-Pluto 8H scorpio person though? That might just be asking for the seventh ring of hell, ha!

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i will say...ive never had this desire to transform...i often find im heads ahead compared to them.
i find that the partners become transformed by the relationship whereas for us, we reach the catharsis with or post-breakup...
i think that what is hard with this placement is that the partners never meet you halfway, or at least, we see it that way because we are demanding and are willing to sacrifice a lot, but not everybody is willing to do this...
you climb 3 mountains, he/she climbs 1, or heck, he actually stops halfway...

and, i must add, there is always that desire to become one with that person...to merge sexually. im not talking about good sex, but something beyond this...inexplicable.

i talked to a professional astrologer once, i asked him about this, if i could find someone that could meet me halfway....and i was told that noone would love as strongly... and, i even have a scorpio stellium, by the way.
so, im alone on this. we are alone.

i guess, maybe it is one of the lessons of this placement, to learn to let go...
release, and understand that everybody has their own ways to show their love and that we must appreciate these, even if they dont match our ways.

posted March 07, 2013 10:28 PM            

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Originally posted by GrlyGirl200:
Getting to know someone through sex...lol how does that work. It doesn't make any sense to me that you would get to know someone more through sex.

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I can totally understand how people get to know each other more through sex... It's the ultimate form of bonding for me... Though, I have had Pluto square Venus in synastry with every guy I've ever been with so the sexual side of my relationships is always super intense and transformative. Also, cancer on the cusp of my 8th must have something to do with it as well lol

posted March 07, 2013 10:37 PM            

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Anyway, now she's in a relationship with a Venus scorp guy and they are PERFECT for each other! I love Venus conjunct Venus in synastry

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posted March 07, 2013 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by CherryVodka:
To add: they can have sex with you and you might think it's just sex, and sometimes it is but almost ALWAYS they're hoping it develops into something more. They can confuse love, and some of them try to find it in ANYONE.

After a while of this, one of two things happens, they either become soured and more careful/silent/immovable - or they become sex freaks (which they are naturally) and i don't mean freak in a bad way, Scorpio Venus' lol.

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Wow... this is literally one of the most accurate paintings of my own sexuality I've ever seen, it's so similar from what I've heard from a Scorpio Venus person's experiences in love in my life as well. Scary true. I like the whole description but it's bittersweet and it makes me kind of sad. Why...? well, as a Libra I just want to find a happy medium. But my Scorpio Venus wants intimacy and can go to extremes to find it. Sometimes like you said, from a bad experience I'll seem slow, cool and collected with a new possible partner, and then I'll become too overly involved sexually with them and feel guilty about it.

posted March 07, 2013 10:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
hear that calliope?
maybe there is hope after all...
i guess i shall keep my options open...venus in scorpio man...hmm.

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Not the first time I've seen the magic of Venus conjunct Venus in Scorpio. A guy friend of mine with Venus in scorp says Venus in scorp women are the only ones who truly understand his needs

posted March 08, 2013 02:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Xiiro:
^ Very well explained. I have Scorpio Venus in Scorpio ruled 8H too (with Pluto in Libra ironically enough) so Venus/Scorpio energy is strong in me. I think one part of your response which spoke deeply to me, is how Scorpio is about extremes. People sometimes have difficulty grasping the idea that two extremes can occupy the same person at virtually the same time. With Scorpio you can despise someone to the point of wanting them dead and in the same feeling, long for them to love you.

I have Saturn square Venus, so the process of engaging in those extremes is always a big investment for me. I tend to just let things evolve on their own and invest what seems appropriate as things progress. Generally this keeps me in the friend zone a majority of the time. LOL

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posted March 08, 2013 03:26 AM            

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They don’t move so fast.They don’t have sex without knowing you well.I think he has already analyzed you properly and you have passed the test(congrats!!) before making the move.Scorpio venus never really have sex first and judge you afterwards,they judge first then only have sex with you if you pass the test.All the girls I’ve dated have had scorpio venus and from my own experience loyalty is extremely important.They might support you when you are in your worst state but they never come back once they cut you off even though you maybe good looking,richer than you were when they left you.They can get very possessive,intense,jealous,protective but thats what I love the most about them.Airy people and ones that dont like too much intensity in relationships may not be so compatible with them.

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Is this true? Even for the men...when I think about the two I have dealt with prior to this one I have to say they came on to me first. The double Sag was someone I was VERY drawn to when I first met him...and then he and a good friend of mine exchanged Aim sn's and then finally he and I exchanged sn's...the one thing I will say that I love about anyone with strong Scorpio is they are VERY honest (in fact I find them to be brutally honest and the only straight forward water sign).

I think this particular Scorpio Venus has accessed that I'm VERY sensitive and sweet (he knows I like making people happy...we have a nice Moon Venus Conjunction in Taurus). He has said he's not sure why I'm single lol. He doesn't lay on the compliments like I'd expect any other man who is wanting to get to know me would.

posted March 08, 2013 04:13 AM            

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Originally posted by sweet-scorpion:
[B] It is one of the biggest challenges in my life, finding someone who can handle the intensity. Most people can't handle the ride.

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Originally posted by starfairy:
Not the first time I've seen the magic of Venus conjunct Venus in Scorpio. A guy friend of mine with Venus in scorp says Venus in scorp women are the only ones who truly understand his needs

my sis feels that her man has been the only one who has matched her level of intensity and devotion.

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Well said, Xiiro, Calliope23, Starfairy, and Sweet Scorpion.

Obviously everyone's charts are different and so there will be a huge variety of Scorpio Venuses out there.

I'm a Scorpio Venus Pluto, Eros, Cupido, Sappho etc. all in my IV house conjunct my IC. Personally I am just not interested in a casual relationship. So you can say I take things super slow, but most of the time it's because I just don't feel that way about you. When there is someone I feel I connect with, then yeah I probably dive in far too fast, and far too hard. It is always difficult to know how strongly you come across, and I don't really know how to describe it either. I get the feeling like maybe it's an all consuming vortex, or black hole. And that is not to say that it is bad, just that it is unknown. And the one thing that most people are afraid of, is what is unknown.

I think when people were saying, it is the intensity which is overwhelming, they were completely right. We give such intensity and devotion to those we love most, sometimes maybe we expect it back, but others don't always realise or understand how to give it back to us.

Maybe we just ask for too much. We're always looking for someone who can, 'handle the ride' or intensity we give out. However, I don't know how we come across, maybe it's like asking someone to jump with you, take a leap of emotional faith. Maybe we're always destined to give more, than most people can handle.

I think that Venus in Scorpios can take it slow, but why wouldn't you want to jump right in and experience the greatest depth of feeling you can? It's like dipping a toe in the water, when what you really want is to dive right in.

- Chris

posted March 08, 2013 04:18 AM            

She doesnt know the meaning of slow! I've actually lost count of the amount of men she's been with. Most of them have finished with her as she becomes very needy. I am the exact opposite (Cap Venus) and I have had many conversations with her about toning it down and giving them some breathing space when she's phoned in tears about so and so man.

posted March 08, 2013 05:06 AM            

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My sister is a Scorpio Venus (along with her sun, mercury and jupiter)

She doesnt know the meaning of slow! I've actually lost count of the amount of men she's been with. Most of them have finished with her as she becomes very needy. I am the exact opposite (Cap Venus) and I have had many conversations with her about toning it down and giving them some breathing space when she's phoned in tears about so and so man.

30 years on and she's finally found a mutual Venus Scorpio and I'm hoping (please God....) that he's "the one". They are together 24/7 and he's happy with that.

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posted March 08, 2013 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
I get the feeling like maybe it's an all consuming vortex, or black hole. And that is not to say that it is bad, just that it is unknown. And the one thing that most people are afraid of, is what is unknown.

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Many years ago when I had just discovered my Venus was in Scorpio, I had difficulty identifying the energy within myself. Finally I read something somewhere (not sure the source) stating Scorpio Venus people constantly walk around with their feelings spiraling inward saying, "What is this, What is this, What is this". Like a turbine it generates energy which radiates outward. Anyone passing through that energy is rendered transparent. It said some people can be unsettled by Scorpio Venus people, because the "what is this" energy permeates them like an x-ray and makes them feel "seen" or "looked at".

posted March 08, 2013 08:44 AM            

I willnot go into details, but mars in scorpio is a good match for venus in scorpio romantically, and all that..

But I have mars in libra so mars in scorpio men think I´m to silly and shallow. I don´t think there is anything sexier than mars in scorpio, taurus and cancer. I like the man to have a sensual mars sign. It´s more important than anything else in his chart.

As for me, I´ve come to realise I might be bi-sexual becausesometimes I fall in love with women, although I´m not attracted to them physically. I´m quite confused about my gender.

Do I move slowly in love? Not really. I DON`T move, lol. I leave that up to the other person most of the time. Not speaking on the behalf of other venus in scorpio women, just myself..
I am a big sucker in love, you can do anything to me and I´ll forgive you. My love is limitless - love you once - love you forever. You´re a part of my sooul, my brother, myself. We are one. Wordly actions don´t matter.

posted March 08, 2013 08:51 AM              

She introduces new scenarios of the less sane -relationship across borders, without borders. Unparallelled sex without hesitation.

Nice!