posted March 13, 2013 01:45 AM            

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It depends on the chart. Really. If the person who has someones Uranus conjunct their moon and the person has a very weak Aquarius AND Uranus.. not so much

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posted March 13, 2013 01:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Uranus conj Mars is meant to bring along friendship, although a volatile friendship. But I just don't like the people I have this with. They are different planets. Uranus is focused on the world at large. Mars is self-centred. There can be much criticism going back and forth. Uranus can feel like Mars is too selfish to make a good friend.. and Mars can feel like Uranus keeps preaching them, mostly because they lack understanding for the things that drive Mars. Uranus is very intellectual, not instinctual like Mars.. so it's just a strange combination of energies.
Maybe in the right context with nice synastry aspects overall, it could be good.

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posted March 13, 2013 02:39 PM            

@ Saturnine: Wow, I'm really sorry about your knee and the rest of your family. Do you know if it's genetic or something that runs in all of your charts? The knee problem sounds a little like what I feel sometimes. Silly question, but did it just... shoot back or something because of your accident? Glad to hear it got better.

Ahh. Drinking water again. It's such a common thing and yet it's not that easy to stick to it, isn't it? Feet pain is awful anyway, though. Same with pulling muscles.

@Venusian Moon: So it runs in the family? Even the walks, okay wow.

@12Muddy: Same here. The skin especially, omg, I wouldn't know what to do without a good lotion and day/night cream! My feet aren't so good. The feeling dehydrated is the worst. Is it related to the seasons in your case?

posted March 13, 2013 06:05 PM              

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I don’t want to sound like a broken record but there are many people with strong Cap influence and they are definitely not boring, bossy or cold. I normally have to tone my behaviour down a bit coz I don’t want to come off as being too mushy or too affectionate lol.

But looking at your placement I think I can understand why some of them may seem that way to you. Cap’s love language is probably not compatible with a mix of Gem, Taurus and Libra. Lol Geminis are cool, but they confuse the hell out of me.

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Lol sorry didnt wanna be too mean.

My descendent is in capricorn.

I attract alot of female cappy women in my life.

The ones with less capricorn arent as dull.

My sister is a cappy with taurus asc and gemini moon plus capricorn venus.

She is very boring at times and ditzy.

She was funner years ago when we both use to smoke weed and have laugh attacks.

Lol!

posted March 13, 2013 07:52 PM            

Why do you think you find them cold ? Are they not affectionate ? Care too much about themselves ? Too detached or too ambitious and therefore neglect loved ones ? If it's ok with you, pls tell me more.

Meissieri: use oil, if you can get your hands on some extra virgin coconut oil or some rose hips oil. It helps a lot. For me, rich night cream for daytime use sometimes just isn’t enough.

Yeah the dehydration is related to the seasons. During winter and autumn I just feel so dehydrated, bored, dull, and sluggish (and the feet pain/legs ache). I read somewhere that Capricorns are people of the winter months, so I think that is one reason most of the ailments often occur, or get worse during those months of the year. I was born and raised in a tropical country, hot n humid so I had never had those problems, until I moved overseas. Gah I miss the hot weather.

Meissieri: I’ve just seen your post on the 1st page. Since you’ve mentioned that you have cap stellium n a touch of cancer, plus all the cap planets square your ascendant, do you often feel like your “rational” brain stands in the way of your “emotional” needs?

posted March 14, 2013 05:23 PM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I don’t want to sound like a broken record but there are many people with strong Cap influence and they are definitely not boring, bossy or cold. I normally have to tone my behaviour down a bit coz I don’t want to come off as being too mushy or too affectionate lol.

But looking at your placement I think I can understand why some of them may seem that way to you. Cap’s love language is probably not compatible with a mix of Gem, Taurus and Libra. Lol Geminis are cool, but they confuse the hell out of me.

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posted March 14, 2013 05:41 PM            

Ahh, very sensitive to the environment/seasons? I can relate and to the feeling sluggish too. The little daylight really gets me down. Tropical temperatures are way easier. That must've been a huge change for you.

About the stellium, yes, I do feel like it gets in the way, and the other way around. I think it brings out the best and worst of both signs. Those oppositions to my Cancer placements (they're not even personal planets, but I do feel them) don't help. Saturn conjunct my moon puts a big wall around my feelings and I need to be sure I'm not going to be thought of as needy or a baby before I let it down. It kind of feels like having the Cap-Cancer duality twice. I want to look like I've got it all together and that I'm mature, but I'm also really sensitive and terrified of rejection. I want to be super open with my emotions and show sensitivity, but also want it to come across as genuine. It takes me long to open up and once I have, it feels like I've blown my chances because it took me so long. Like I'm holding people back from doing things or being with people who are way easier and more fun to be with. It sucks.

posted March 14, 2013 07:34 PM            

Aquacheeka: haha I can just imagine.

Meissieri: Yeah it is that bad unfortunately. Rich creams normally will sit on top of my skin, whereas the oils sink in and keep my skin moisturised. Jojoba, coconut, rosehips oil – I found that these three are the best. The crazy thing is that in summer or spring, I only need very little lotion/oil, sometimes I don’t need it at all. Haha.

They say that people with Saturn influence have to work out what its lessons for them are. Once you’ve passed its test then things will get easier. Same as you, I used to ponder a lot before I let the walls down or reached out to people. It often felt like I’d invade their privacy. My aries moon square Saturn (and some other planets), I empathise easily with a sort of childish affection. But whenever I wanted to comfort people, there was a voice saying “they’re adults, they don’t need you”. Eventually I learned to get past that and just let the moon does what it wants. I got a few zaps from Saturn (rejection, people take advantages of me, etc...) but my moon feels better now.

posted March 15, 2013 02:16 PM            

You're right, it's so easy to go into the "why don't they like me?" mode, and even knowing they're not interested doesn't make it any better. Looking back, I do realise that with a lot of people I wanted to be liked by, I wouldn't have fit with anyway (from both sides), but once that finally hits you, it hits you hard. (I don't have that much air in my chart either. Hard to keep those emotions out of it!)

And I love Aries energy! They're just so cute and confident and feisty, it makes me feel more chill being around them. Doesn't it feel so much better to just listen to what your moon wants? Nothing wrong with childish affection. I can imagine it'd be tough at times with that Saturn square. That voice is so Saturn. It's scary reading everyone's stories here and how much that planet can affect people's lives. Sorry about the rejection.

The privacy thing, yes. Lol my home/private life is sacred. After a whole day of constantly tuning into everyone and what they want from me, I just want my alone time. I need it! I actually take naps when I'm stressed/overwhelmed just to make sure I can get back and be my happy self for others again. But they have to give me my alone time or else they'll get a really moody, catty me. I think that's how I've unconsciously ended up solving the Cap/Cancer opposites and afflicted Ascendant. It's certainly intense and I relate a lot to this article that calls it "Crab in the iron shell". It's spot-on for me.
http://sasstrology.com/2012/04/the-crab-in-the-iron-shell-hard-aspects-between-the-natal-moon-and-saturn.html
Another very good one is on Astrofix about Saturn-IC aspects.
astrofix.net/2011/12/16/saturnic-aspects/#.UUNistng2AU

posted March 15, 2013 02:53 PM            

I'm madly completely insanely in love with a Cap sun/Moon/venus/Mercury/Uranus/Neptune.

He's the most difficult guy I have ever met. He has his unique way of letting you know that he cares. he is responsible, extremely hardworking, extremely hard to impress & complicated. he doesn't open up very easily. he doesn't trust people. But I was ever so determined to break into his shell & he cares so much about me.

What I have realised is that this man needs love, lots of affection, lots of sincerity & devotion, but one has to be extremely patient while he slowly lets you in on everything. he needs lots of assurances & lots of respect. if you give him respect alone you have him right there. besides that he wouldn't talk much, you have to ask questions. he is proud of his strrugles & if you also admire and appreciate him for his work and his hard work, you can have his heart forever. he is loyal, devoted and very very caring. he never fights or argues with you but he will care for you in his nicest and sweetest of ways. he won't say i love you, but he will prove it with his actions and devotions.

and, he thinks in long term. He means what he says...

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If I have done a reading for you, or you have a generous heart, please make a prayer for me that I meet love of my life soon. I believe in power of prayers. Thank you

posted March 15, 2013 04:48 PM            

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Too much Cap can make for a cold sociopathic type of individual.

I've known two, with Cap moons and other Cap placements and they werent nice people.

I'm sure there are some out there but in general this sign can add a bit of cut-throatness to people.....some selfishness. There are a few Cap Suns that I get along wth and like, but they are constantly thinking about themselves, their business and how to get ahead. They lie alot too. Whatever it takes to better their business or cause or what people think of them.

When you can look past that, they are nice people. lol

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I can relate to that. Husband of 12 yrs is a Cap stellium: 4 planets 1-2 degrees with each other in one house. Mother is Cap moon and PoF. Father is Cap rising. Two exes : Cap rising/Venus and Cap rising/Jupiter. A friend is Cap moon. In laws : Cap Sun/Venus and Cap/Sag prominent. I am Sun in 10th house, traditionally ruled by Cap. I am constantly suspicious of other people's motives, and often times I act on this without any confirmation. Of course, each person's chart is different

posted March 15, 2013 09:35 PM            

Meissieri: =D thanks you’re very kind =D. With Saturn, rejection/failure is a usual theme. But at the same time I think it can be empowering in a way, it’s like once you've gotten rejected a few times, you won’t be afraid of putting yourself out there anymore. You win some you lose some hehe.

Yeah about the moon. I grew up in a strict, very saturnine environment so I learned to dislike those qualities at a very young age. For a long time, I suppressed the cap in me and suffered greatly as a result. Then I figured that I had to learn to make use of those qualities, otherwise I’d be a big ball of denial and confusion (12th house). That’s why I went through phases of “acting” really cap or “acting” really childish, obnoxious and naive (the moon). Only for 3 recent years I started to be able to combine the two forces. I still swing between two extremes sometimes, but I’m working on it.

I’m happy for you that you’ve managed to solve the cap/cancer opposite. Wow. With Saturn, there is often a feeling of “damn if you do, damn if you don’t”. I’m glad that we can find a way to do what we want without being punished too badly by Saturn lol. What you said about “alone” time I can totally relate. We need that time to recharge and soothe our minds. I like the links a lot (ouch, saturn on IC (-__-') I think you may want to check out the Donna Cunningham website, she wrote some very good articles on stellium and Saturn aspects, as well as the Capricorn influence. I’ve been reading it for a few days and have made some notes.

Also, I don’t know if you’ve ever had the thought that you don’t want to get close to people because you afraid that you might hurt them? I found that whenever I have one of those moments of intense internal struggle, I’d shut off and be uncommunicative. It feels like a bomb exploding and I just don’t want anyone to be affected. Gah, in one of those mood I can be quite insensitive and impatient. After that I’d feel so bad. Don’t know if it is because of the moon squares, or just Saturn influence in general.

The rosehip oil is very good at fading scars. So is turmeric. I use these two to fade some of my new scars. It took a while though, but it works.

posted March 16, 2013 10:51 AM            

One guy I know who has a Cap stellium of Sun, Venus, Mercury, Uranus and Neptune (and NN I think) looks so serious and responsible and "wise" but in truth he's addicted to drugs, alcohol and sex. He's got a Pisces Moon though, so it probably helps.

Maybe it's the negative - negative polarity, but it seems to me like being around them is like losing vitality / energy.

posted March 16, 2013 06:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
The ones I know come across as cold, socially awkward/ individualistic / shy and definitely not the mushy type. It's hard to get close to them. But then again, what's the point anyway?

One guy I know who has a Cap stellium of Sun, Venus, Mercury, Uranus and Neptune (and NN I think) looks so serious and responsible and "wise" but in truth he's addicted to drugs, alcohol and sex. He's got a Pisces Moon though, so it probably helps.

Maybe it's the negative - negative polarity, but it seems to me like being around them is like losing vitality / energy.

Or maybe they just reflect my own afflicted Saturn or they're the kind of people in my life at this point.

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posted March 16, 2013 07:51 PM            

And your moon squares that stellium, doesn't it? Even without it, that's still conflicting signs and needs. Ugh... Saturnine environments completely kill you now and then. With all of that in the 12th and the projection... that must've been so hard. How did you cope? The forces, yeah. Of course they're the same modality so they do have something in common, but how to get it to merge. Maybe midpoints work? Keep it up

Trying to get it down! Yeah, my homelife wasn't exactly happy happy either. My dad was extremely strict, had/has a very quick temper and seemed to think anytime I wanted help, I was just being whiny, looking for attention, etc. When my health got worse, he thought every time I wanted to stay at home or leave earlier was just me pushing my case to get my way - of course I thought that of him. My Sun sq Pluto aspect is literal here: powerstruggles with the dad.
Lol we should keep making sure to avoid the big knocks for Saturn. Those links are great, aren't they? I love astrofix. This was one of the few interpretations of Saturn-IC. Oh, I know the blog, it's one of my favourites. The stellium/12th house stuff just fits every piece of my chart.

Oh and that's Cappy! We do our homework and we like doing it well. Astrology gives answers and it's soothing to know what the problem is sometimes.

Not scared of hurting them, but I am afraid of scaring people off with my emotions. The timebomb thing, yeah, I can see that. That's part of your Aries moon, I would think? It's good that you know of this and when to take a step back. Reading your posts so far, you don't seem violent to me at all. Not trying to brush things off here, but it sounds like you do have it under control and good for you. I think it's the squares, especially if you're the type to repress anger.

At some point, I really do want to move forward and then the tough love of Saturn kicks in, trying to snap me out of it. I just don't want to be stuck feeling like hell for the rest of my life. I actually came to this board right after having gone through another depression and I knew I had to talk about it with people who know the feeling. Which is exactly what happened. I've been looking for therapy as well. Gonna do this right. Saturn sextiles my Pluto, which squares my Sun. Every ending/transformation in my life comes with Saturn's tough love and I want to learn from my mistakes.

The reason I usually won't talk is because I don't want to dump all of my trouble on people. I'm afraid they'll call me annoying and playing the victim, so I end up spending the first week just letting it all out when I'm alone, feeling sorry for myself until I've gotten rid of the nasty. Only then I can talk to people without getting overwhelmed again. Someday I want to be able to get to that stage right away and for people to see me even when I'm at my worst, but for now, this will do. If I want people to support me, I'll have to make sure they can.

Scar treatment? I like. Thanks for the tip. I think there's this medical pharmacy that might sell it.

posted March 16, 2013 09:30 PM            

Like you, I’m glad I found astrology, it’s good to know that we’re not entirely to blame and we can make things better =D. I’m feeling proud of you that you’ve faced your demons (I've just checked the picture thread and I saw that you have libra rising. Wow I don't even know how to begin, that's such a gentle rising, all the square must have been very very hard to deal with). And btw, you look very pretty and venusian, I love that combination of fair skin dark hair and red red lips =D

Is your health better now? Hope you’ll find a good therapist. That pluto square sun indicates power struggle where one might be crushed, or emerged a transformed person (phoenix from the ashes). IC-the heart-the home, contacts with saturn makes for a painful home/childhood. I’m glad you’re holding up well. And you’re right, you should talk about it with people (if you want to, I’m always listening hehe coz i'm happy that we have "met" too. If you think the things you want to talk about are a bit dark for this box, then there’s always that box Sweet peas in the rain hehe). It’s nice to be connected to others, knowing that you can offer them comfort, and they’ll support you too. This will satisfy your cancer placements. It helps to combat those negative feelings and loneliness so your cap side will eventually be more at ease with letting your emotions out. Best wishes <3

I can relate to your situation, my mother is a bit like that and my whole abusive extended family really (too many people). In my life, they represents Saturn and moon squares (ouch), 12th house represents how I dealed with it - drugs, alcohol, I wasn’t addicted, but yeah using drugs n alcohol to escape wasn’t a positive thing at all. When I was 18-19, I started to clean up my act and get myself together and just try not to dwell on the past. It was difficult at first; it felt like I was going against the current. But eventually I let the bad things go and focus on building my future.
Venus/Neptune/Saturn contact you see, I’m determined on making my miracle hahaha.

posted March 17, 2013 06:03 PM            

I like it a lot, too, even though it'll be a while to get a good reply ready. You're not writing too much. Epic posts <3 It's nice and I think people should just use the words they need to get their point across. Probably the 12th influence again. I actually don't really know what to say to those short, stock answers. :|
And yeah, that's exactly what happened with me. Lots of "nobody gives a c*** about your sob stories/I barely know you/either get to the point or don't talk to me" vibes from people I really wanted to be comforted by. There were times I just vowed not talk to anyone anymore. Of course my Leo sun can't take that. He needs the attention and share, haha. Can't even imagine what it must be like for people who don't find an outlet or someone to talk to. They must feel so alone.

Feels good, doesn't it? It helps just to know what you have to work on. Astrology kind of gives me the feedback I really need. And people here We can improve! And even if it doesn't happen right away, it's good to know at least. Aww thanks <3 I can't even find the thread anymore. Have you posted over there? Lol the lips, everyone thinks I'm wearing lipstick. Yeah... it was bad enough to find out I had 5 squares to my Ascendant... and then I realised they would also square my Desc. Throw in Chiron in the mix and I can barely wrap my head around how I'm going to get around them. Been checking out midpoints and going through more notes. I'll figure it out, I hope. I think it could've been worse, though, with Aries rising instead. Just so much anger.

My health is chronic, so no. It's stable, though. Aside from the leg and skin thing (lol I only wanted to ask about leg/knee problems and look what happened!), I mostly suffer from migraines and scoliosis (= my back) that take a lot of my energy. I'm very sensitive to the senses, which the migraines and having ADHD won't make any better. And that's not all. But I've found good meds for the headaches. Which is good.

Ahh. Sweet Peas. I lurk there. One day I'll join the convos. Thanks for the tip with how you talk, I definitely will come to you. :hearts: Actually I want to talk on more boards, but first just get familiar. And yes the Cancer is happy. Funny thing is I just found out I have my moon in the Cancer duad and Libra dwad (if you've checked those out), so more emphasis on that. Still new to that, but it definitely adds another layer to the planets. The atmosphere here is great, overall most people are very happy to help and that's what we all need, right?
Best of luck to you too <3

Moon square Saturn, that feels awful just thinking about it. I can't blame you for going for the alcohol and drugs. With the 12th, the door to an escape is always open and it's so tempting. At some point you do anything to get some peace of mind. Wow, it's so good you managed to get out of that lifestyle, and not to fall back upon it. Ahh Saturn helped. Venus-Neptune - wanting a better life.

posted March 17, 2013 06:16 PM            

It doesn't help that my Sun is in Scorpio and so is my Ascendant, making me come off as extremely sarcastic and flat when most necessary. It is actually quite a bother but in class and the workplace, it is great to have Cap in third house especially with my debilitated Mara in Cancer

posted March 17, 2013 09:30 PM            

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I love this topic already...
I only have Cap in two places, the generational planets but I admire all of you who have it in more than one place.
The funny thing is that I have Capricorn in none other than my 3rd house so I come off pretty cut and dry even if it is unintentional to do so.

It doesn't help that my Sun is in Scorpio and so is my Ascendant, making me come off as extremely sarcastic and flat when most necessary. It is actually quite a bother but in class and the workplace, it is great to have Cap in third house especially with my debilitated Mara in Cancer

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the house of communication. I have aries moon in that house. Yeah that's right, as soon as I open my mouth I come across as a little child lol.

scorp sun/asc, pisces moon.. hmm deep waters there =D

Saturn can be a bit of a downer, the mean old man. We'll just have to tolerate him hehe. The "nice" thing about the stellium being generational planets is that more often than not, when you talk tabout the mean saturn, there will be a lot of people raise their hands saying "I feel you buddy" lol

@Meissieri:

Hehe R mercury transit has struck down some of my electrical devices, and my car, and “put” some cracks into the walls of my house. I have retrograde mercury natally, it’s detriment in sag, and it’s in the 12th house. <shake heads> that’s like three blows to that poor mercury. But its effects in my life aren’t that bad, I often misplace things and sometimes I stutter because my thoughts are too erratic.

Leo sun, hmm, is fire a dominated element in your chart? Or is it earth? From what I know, Leo needs both attention and care. Like a king, he wants his people to respect AND adore him ^^ Your libra rising probably heightens sensitivity, the need for warm and understanding companions. On this board there are many kind people, I guess that most people who have an interest in astrology are sensitive in some way. So yeah, this is a good place to heal the soul.

When I think of haute Leos, I think Harry Potter, big warm heart with enough space for everyone. With Leo/scorpio square, I remember I’ve read somewhere that it’s like the Lion-Cobra. It’ll make that person a fighter for dignity and honour, and also a survivor. Based on what you’ve told me about how sun/pluto plays out in your situation, I think that description of the Lion-Cobra is pretty accurate. Hehe I’m not that knowledgeable about astrology, I’ve only been reading about it for the last 2, 3 years (on and off) so these are just bits and pieces I remember, please don’t feel insulted if I said something that isn’t accurate.

I have leo Jupiter7th square scorpio pluto, it only indicates a bit of power plays at the beginning of my marriage. Later we worked it out thanks to the tips from that article, both of us agreed to be co-rulers of the kingdom named “Home” lol.

I’m sad to know that you have chronic health problems. I’m like a very, very bad-tempered naughty child when I’m not feeling well, so wow I admire that you deal with your ailments, and still manage to try and improve other areas of your life <3 Props for that. Due to my profession I see people with health problems every day, I admire their will power so much. Glad that you’ve found a good med. Your stellium is in a water house, so spot on about the sensitivity to the sense. And your gentle rising being squared by those planets brings tension =( Dear me, combined with the IC and Chiron too. Again, very proud of you for holding up so well.

What aspects does Chiron make in your chart ? My Chiron is in cancer, 7th house, oppose my venus, Saturn and north node in Capricorn. Yay me, hahaha –> this isn’t a happy laugh, it’s my manic laugh at my own chart

(-__- !) J/K

I like my Chiron, even though according to astrology, it’s in a pretty bad position. People often tell me stories about their childhoods or the traumatic events they have lived through. Sometimes they are able to make it better, sometimes it just end on a sad, sad note. Chiron has made such a grand appearance. Plenty of my friends who seem so happy, bright, loud and lucky, few people would know that they’re all survivors. Hehe what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger.

posted March 17, 2013 09:57 PM            

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the house of communication. I have aries moon in that house. Yeah that's right, as soon as I open my mouth I come across as a little child lol.

scorp sun/asc, pisces moon.. hmm deep waters there =D

Saturn can be a bit of a downer, the mean old man. We'll just have to tolerate him hehe. The "nice" thing about the stellium being generational planets is that more often than not, when you talk tabout the mean saturn, there will be a lot of people raise their hands saying "I feel you buddy" lol

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Yep, Nepture and Uranus in 3rd house of Capricorn. You freaking Saturnian influence. I really don't like you but good point. It is very true.

I have a Grand Water Trine but I can'r even really feel its influence except in my laziness and lack of energy. I would love to feel more driven and be more solid like the Caps are. They are patient and sturdy which I wish I could see more of because I am anything but. Cappys can be a little too aggy at times and that could be a big turn off from the water signs.

posted March 17, 2013 10:11 PM            

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Yep, Nepture and Uranus in 3rd house of Capricorn. You freaking Saturnian influence. I really don't like you but good point. It is very true.

I have a Grand Water Trine but I can'r even really feel its influence except in my laziness and lack of energy. I would love to feel more driven and be more solid like the Caps are. They are patient and sturdy which I wish I could see more of because I am anything but. Cappys can be a little too aggy at times and that could be a big turn off from the water signs.

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Caps are either really stable /sturdy, or they have to strive to be. I have a cluster in the 12th house so I guess I can relate a bit with what you said about feeling lazy and sluggish.