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mir
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posted March 31, 2013 11:26 AM
  
Next core impression.Hm.. I'm less impressed here from a romantic perspective (last chart you posted). There is an *Iron Butterfly* present between the charts.
Tom's Saturn-Mars square to Mary's Sun-Neptune Square. Here the shape;  Well yes, this *IS* a very strong geometrical pattern but I don't see much romantic love between the 2. That ofcourse isn't necessary if both have a platonic connection only. The attraction here has probably to do with her tendency to live on a pink cloud and his capacity to bring her back to earth. As long as there's enough distance between the 2 I won't exclude that she even tends to see romantic love in this, until ofcourse she falls from her pink cloud when they come closer. After all, his harsh Saturn-Mars (*his* power in this case) won't leave a penny of her cloud intact. I see a very strong sexual cluster in the declinations; his Venus/Mars parallel connected to her Venus/Mars contra-parallel (both are natal sexual aspects) so this could cause another attraction to drive on or even confuse lust with love.
But don't forget that a strong *sexual attraction* (besides the fact that it has nothing to do with true love) is absolutely no garantee that anything will ever actually happen on that level. Don't forget, this is just what *I* see.
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posted March 31, 2013 11:30 AM
Thanks Mir I really2 appreciate your help!! But there is Venus trine mars for the first chart I posted? Thanks again  quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Next core impression.Hm.. I'm less impressed here from a romantic perspective (last chart you posted). There is an *Iron Butterfly* present between the charts.
Tom's Saturn-Mars square to Mary's Sun-Neptune Square. Here the shape; Well yes, this *IS* a very strong geometrical pattern but I don't see much romantic love between the 2. That ofcourse isn't necessary if both have a platonic connection only. The attraction here has probably to do with her tendency to live on a pink cloud and his capacity to bring her back to earth. As long as there's enough distance between the 2 I won't exclude that she even tends to see romantic love in this, until ofcourse she falls from her pink cloud when they come closer. After all, his harsh Saturn-Mars (*his* power in this case) won't leave a penny of her cloud intact. I see a very strong sexual cluster in the declinations; his Venus/Mars parallel connected to her Venus/Mars contra-parallel (both are natal sexual aspects) so this could cause another attraction to drive on or even confuse lust with love.
But don't forget that a strong *sexual attraction* (besides the fact that it has nothing to do with true love) is absolutely no garantee that anything will ever actually happen on that level. Don't forget, this is just what *I* see.
Maybe they're even married, who knows.
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Jkitty
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posted March 31, 2013 11:47 AM
How would you interpret a Grand Cross made by a double venus-mars opposition with both marses squared and both venuses squared. There is also a double mars-saturn trine; would this release/channel the energy from the Grand Cross? Both people have a natal venus-mars square.IP: Logged |
inthemisosoup
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posted March 31, 2013 12:14 PM
I've had four serious relationships, and they all basically have had angle/angle ruler hard aspects or nodal connections. I think these are the most important. Then you look at Saturn, venus, mars, and especially sun and moon. IP: Logged |
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posted March 31, 2013 12:17 PM
Geez this is confusing if u look at nodal aspects chart 2 I posted is better than chart 1if you look at other aspects chart 1 seems better..so which is which?IP: Logged |
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posted March 31, 2013 08:35 PM
Geez this is confusing if u look at nodal aspects chart 2 I posted is better than chart 1if you look at other aspects chart 1 seems better..so which is which?IP: Logged |
Stawr
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posted March 31, 2013 08:55 PM
good saturn aspects and where our Juno's are.I go to cafe astrology to look at sysnastry and it gives interpretations. And if I'm very interested I'll go to serenu and see what out asteroids are doing. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted April 01, 2013 07:58 AM
Astro, yes there's a nice Mars-Venus trine between this couple. And not only that, Tom's Juno/Mars opposition is enhanced by her Venus as it's *trine* his Juno + sextile his Mars. The Venus-Juno linkage would be the ultimate sexual linkage.
The difference between Juno and the other sexual planets (Venus/Mars/Pluto) is that Juno delivers the urge/need to ACT on sexual impulses as it's so steamingly hot. And so less chance that anything will actually happen on that level if there's no juno linkage between both.(I do not see one between Tom and Mary in geo)
Additionally between Tom and her there's a double chiron-juno linkage which has enormous power and would stand for a lifelong sexual intimate relationship, an attraction that never dies. If you're worried about the Nodes, there is an exact Pluto/NN parallel with orb 0,01 between Tom and her. His Pluto. IP: Logged |
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posted April 01, 2013 07:59 AM
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posted April 01, 2013 10:14 AM
Mir you talking about which chart 1 or 2? quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Astro, yes there's a nice Mars-Venus trine between this couple. And not only that, Tom's Juno/Mars opposition is enhanced by her Venus as it's *trine* his Juno + sextile his Mars. The Venus-Juno linkage would be the ultimate sexual linkage.
The difference between Juno and the other sexual planets (Venus/Mars/Pluto) is that Juno delivers the urge/need to ACT on sexual impulses as it's so steamingly hot. And so less chance that anything will actually happen on that level if there's no juno linkage between both.(I do not see one between Tom and Mary in geo)
Additionally between Tom and her there's a double chiron-juno linkage which has enormous power and would stand for a lifelong sexual intimate relationship, an attraction that never dies. If you're worried about the Nodes, there is an exact Pluto/NN parallel with orb 0,01 between Tom and her. His Pluto.
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jjj
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posted April 01, 2013 10:33 AM
I read some Magi threads, but I still have a question.
I know their opinion on Saturn-Chiron and Venus-Chiron squares, but somewhere I read that a DW situation is different? Does it cancel the bad influence?
I have Venus-Chiron DW (conj and square) and Saturn-Chiron DW (2 squares) with someone Im in love with. There are other Chiron aspects too (Chiron NN conjunction and Chiron SN conjunction), also some positive ones. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted April 01, 2013 02:17 PM
NOthing is ever cancelled in astrology.You will feel the (sometimes contradictive) influence of all aspects. However, if both people contribute Saturn, the distribution of "power" or control might be a bit more balanced. IP: Logged |
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posted April 20, 2013 11:32 AM
Hi Mir,
thanks for your insightful intepretation. What kind of effect is there for:
an exact Pluto/NN parallel with orb 0,01 between Tom and her. His Pluto.
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Originally posted by mir:
Astro, yes there's a nice Mars-Venus trine between this couple. And not only that, Tom's Juno/Mars opposition is enhanced by her Venus as it's *trine* his Juno + sextile his Mars. The Venus-Juno linkage would be the ultimate sexual linkage.
The difference between Juno and the other sexual planets (Venus/Mars/Pluto) is that Juno delivers the urge/need to ACT on sexual impulses as it's so steamingly hot. And so less chance that anything will actually happen on that level if there's no juno linkage between both.(I do not see one between Tom and Mary in geo)
Additionally between Tom and her there's a double chiron-juno linkage which has enormous power and would stand for a lifelong sexual intimate relationship, an attraction that never dies. If you're worried about the Nodes, there is an exact Pluto/NN parallel with orb 0,01 between Tom and her. His Pluto.
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unforgiven_soul
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posted April 20, 2013 11:58 AM
Basic aspects I check (both ways):
1) Sun-Moon
2) Venus-Mars
3) 5th & 7th house and their relation with the partner's basic planets
4) Vertex
5) Sun and Moon midpoints (esp. if you care on having a serious relationship that will last)------------------
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posted May 12, 2013 10:03 AM
hi mir i was re-reading your post, you mean pluto and south node parallel not north node? quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Astro, yes there's a nice Mars-Venus trine between this couple. And not only that, Tom's Juno/Mars opposition is enhanced by her Venus as it's *trine* his Juno + sextile his Mars. The Venus-Juno linkage would be the ultimate sexual linkage.
The difference between Juno and the other sexual planets (Venus/Mars/Pluto) is that Juno delivers the urge/need to ACT on sexual impulses as it's so steamingly hot. And so less chance that anything will actually happen on that level if there's no juno linkage between both.(I do not see one between Tom and Mary in geo)
Additionally between Tom and her there's a double chiron-juno linkage which has enormous power and would stand for a lifelong sexual intimate relationship, an attraction that never dies. If you're worried about the Nodes, there is an exact Pluto/NN parallel with orb 0,01 between Tom and her. His Pluto.
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Jkitty
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posted May 12, 2013 11:27 AM
I don't think anyone else has mentioned this yet (or I overlooked it when I skimmed through the posts), but I think the MOST important thing to look at FIRST is what's happening with the relationship planets in each NATAL chart.Here's an example from a couple in a HAPPY, long-term (18-year) relationship that would shock you if you didn't look at their individual charts first. In synastry: Her Sun squares both his Moon/Chiron conjunction and his Uranus. His Saturn is conjunct her Mars and squares her Pluto. There are other squares and, of course, flowing and reciprocal aspects, but let's use these as examples of why the natal readings are sooo important.
If you consider their natal charts FIRST, you see that his Moon is already afflicted by a conjunction from Chiron and an opposition from Uranus. It's like his Moon NEEDS to make a HARD aspect in synastry in order for him to sit up and take notice. In her natal, her Mars and her Venus are squared by Saturn/Chiron, so she NEEDS a hard aspect to her Mars and/or her Venus in synastry or it would feel "blah" and uninteresting to her.
If you don't consider the individual natal charts first, it's easy to groan over the hard aspects and celebrate each flowing one. But for someone who has their relationship planets afflicted in their natal charts, flow to those planets wouldn't spark any interest and would quickly resort in bordom, like "that's nice, but so what?" Personally, I've got Venus square Mars in my natal. I LOVE it when someone also has this aspect in their own natal charts and our planets touch. We each "get" the internal conflict the other experiences, so when our planets are linked by squares and oppositions, THAT is good! But squares and oppositions from someone who DOESN'T have a NATAL square between Venus and Mars would be frustrating because they couldn't relate to my complexity and I would be bored by their simple, straight-foreward ways. Reading a synastry MUST start with a look at the individuals first. IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 12, 2013 11:33 AM
quote:
Originally posted by Jkitty:
I don't think anyone else has mentioned this yet (or I overlooked it when I skimmed through the posts), but I think the MOST important thing to look at FIRST is what's happening with the relationship planets in each NATAL chart.Here's an example from a couple in a HAPPY, long-term (18-year) relationship that would shock you if you didn't look at their individual charts first. In synastry: Her Sun squares both his Moon/Chiron conjunction and his Uranus. His Saturn is conjunct her Mars and squares her Pluto. There are other squares and, of course, flowing and reciprocal aspects, but let's use these as examples of why the natal readings are sooo important.
If you consider their natal charts FIRST, you see that his Moon is already afflicted by a conjunction from Chiron and an opposition from Uranus. It's like his Moon NEEDS to make a HARD aspect in synastry in order for him to sit up and take notice. In her natal, her Mars and her Venus are squared by Saturn/Chiron, so she NEEDS a hard aspect to her Mars and/or her Venus in synastry or it would feel "blah" and uninteresting to her.
If you don't consider the individual natal charts first, it's easy to groan over the hard aspects and celebrate each flowing one. But for someone who has their relationship planets afflicted in their natal charts, flow to those planets wouldn't spark any interest and would quickly resort in bordom, like "that's nice, but so what?" Personally, I've got Venus square Mars in my natal. I LOVE it when someone also has this aspect in their own natal charts and our planets touch. We each "get" the internal conflict the other experiences, so when our planets are linked by squares and oppositions, THAT is good! But squares and oppositions from someone who DOESN'T have a NATAL square between Venus and Mars would be frustrating because they couldn't relate to my complexity and I would be bored by their simple, straight-foreward ways. Reading a synastry MUST start with a look at the individuals first.
LOL
Usually I am the one who always sais that, but over time I have started to feel like I am sounding like a broken record, and hence I didn`t say it this time.
But I am happy someone else did. Cause that is so true, it can`t be stressed enough. Everything has to be seen in relation to the natal charts and the individuals.
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posted May 12, 2013 11:38 AM
Hi Kitty
What you says makes sense. Do you mind helping me to read ans see which is better?A: 28 June 1977 441am
B: 5 June 1986 228pm A: 28 June 1977 441am
C: 8 March 1977 1001am
quote:
Originally posted by Jkitty:
I don't think anyone else has mentioned this yet (or I overlooked it when I skimmed through the posts), but I think the MOST important thing to look at FIRST is what's happening with the relationship planets in each NATAL chart.Here's an example from a couple in a HAPPY, long-term (18-year) relationship that would shock you if you didn't look at their individual charts first. In synastry: Her Sun squares both his Moon/Chiron conjunction and his Uranus. His Saturn is conjunct her Mars and squares her Pluto. There are other squares and, of course, flowing and reciprocal aspects, but let's use these as examples of why the natal readings are sooo important.
If you consider their natal charts FIRST, you see that his Moon is already afflicted by a conjunction from Chiron and an opposition from Uranus. It's like his Moon NEEDS to make a HARD aspect in synastry in order for him to sit up and take notice. In her natal, her Mars and her Venus are squared by Saturn/Chiron, so she NEEDS a hard aspect to her Mars and/or her Venus in synastry or it would feel "blah" and uninteresting to her.
If you don't consider the individual natal charts first, it's easy to groan over the hard aspects and celebrate each flowing one. But for someone who has their relationship planets afflicted in their natal charts, flow to those planets wouldn't spark any interest and would quickly resort in bordom, like "that's nice, but so what?" Personally, I've got Venus square Mars in my natal. I LOVE it when someone also has this aspect in their own natal charts and our planets touch. We each "get" the internal conflict the other experiences, so when our planets are linked by squares and oppositions, THAT is good! But squares and oppositions from someone who DOESN'T have a NATAL square between Venus and Mars would be frustrating because they couldn't relate to my complexity and I would be bored by their simple, straight-foreward ways. Reading a synastry MUST start with a look at the individuals first.
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posted May 12, 2013 11:41 AM
Hello Ceridwen
Do you mind helping me to read? Thanks! quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL
Usually I am the one who always sais that, but over time I have started to feel like I am sounding like a broken record, and hence I didn`t say it this time.
But I am happy someone else did. Cause that is so true, it can`t be stressed enough. Everything has to be seen in relation to the natal charts and the individuals.
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LovelyKitty
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posted May 12, 2013 12:35 PM
I hope it's not too late to answer this question.
My first look is ..Venus♡
I don't know ...maybe it'synastry!then , follow by
- moon ... just too see the moon element to know how they emotional can integreate
- sun ... which identity that the lovers are
- AC ... the way they met eachother at the first glance , how would the two reaction ...then I disappear in the Neptune clound 
- then the conjunct to AC/DC IP: Logged |
eyes_like_pisces
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posted May 12, 2013 12:44 PM
First I'll be honest...I only read most of the first page, and skimmed the rest.But I noticed inquiry to the nodes in the synastry chart and how the seem to be in close opposition. I've read that opposite nodes are often found in marriages I've seen there was one in 7th and one in 5th so I imagine it would be great a great romance and it sounds/ looks like you have other great chemestry aspects as well IP: Logged |
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posted May 12, 2013 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by eyes_like_pisces:
I've read that opposite nodes are often found in marriages
Opposite nodes as in one person's North Node conjunct the other's South Node? IP: Logged |
Jkitty
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posted May 12, 2013 05:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL
Usually I am the one who always sais that, but over time I have started to feel like I am sounding like a broken record, and hence I didn`t say it this time.
But I am happy someone else did. Cause that is so true, it can`t be stressed enough. Everything has to be seen in relation to the natal charts and the individuals.
I think I learned that by reading your old posts! Now you know some of us DO listen.  IP: Logged |
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posted May 12, 2013 10:47 PM
Hello Ceridwen
Do you mind helping me to read? Thanks! quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL
Usually I am the one who always sais that, but over time I have started to feel like I am sounding like a broken record, and hence I didn`t say it this time.
But I am happy someone else did. Cause that is so true, it can`t be stressed enough. Everything has to be seen in relation to the natal charts and the individuals.
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posted May 12, 2013 10:48 PM
Hi Kitty
What you says makes sense. Do you mind helping me to read ans see which is better?A: 28 June 1977 441am
B: 5 June 1986 228pm A: 28 June 1977 441am
C: 8 March 1977 1001am
quote:
Originally posted by Jkitty:
I don't think anyone else has mentioned this yet (or I overlooked it when I skimmed through the posts), but I think the MOST important thing to look at FIRST is what's happening with the relationship planets in each NATAL chart.Here's an example from a couple in a HAPPY, long-term (18-year) relationship that would shock you if you didn't look at their individual charts first. In synastry: Her Sun squares both his Moon/Chiron conjunction and his Uranus. His Saturn is conjunct her Mars and squares her Pluto. There are other squares and, of course, flowing and reciprocal aspects, but let's use these as examples of why the natal readings are sooo important.
If you consider their natal charts FIRST, you see that his Moon is already afflicted by a conjunction from Chiron and an opposition from Uranus. It's like his Moon NEEDS to make a HARD aspect in synastry in order for him to sit up and take notice. In her natal, her Mars and her Venus are squared by Saturn/Chiron, so she NEEDS a hard aspect to her Mars and/or her Venus in synastry or it would feel "blah" and uninteresting to her.
If you don't consider the individual natal charts first, it's easy to groan over the hard aspects and celebrate each flowing one. But for someone who has their relationship planets afflicted in their natal charts, flow to those planets wouldn't spark any interest and would quickly resort in bordom, like "that's nice, but so what?" Personally, I've got Venus square Mars in my natal. I LOVE it when someone also has this aspect in their own natal charts and our planets touch. We each "get" the internal conflict the other experiences, so when our planets are linked by squares and oppositions, THAT is good! But squares and oppositions from someone who DOESN'T have a NATAL square between Venus and Mars would be frustrating because they couldn't relate to my complexity and I would be bored by their simple, straight-foreward ways. Reading a synastry MUST start with a look at the individuals first.
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