posted March 29, 2013 09:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
- Angles connections (cardinal houses are more powerful than others, by definition, so look at planets that fall into the 1-7H and 4-10H. It's even more powerful if there's an actual conjunction to the angle/cusp)

- Nodes connections (I'd rather have North Node conjunctions)

- Luminaries (Sun & Moon) for basic compatibility (needs, expression of the ego)

- Houses overlays (again, cardinal houses are powerful, 5th and 8th can add some sparks also. Depends on the natal preferences, for ex. Uranian people may enjoy 11th house connections, etc)

Venus/Mars/Pluto for the chemistry/sexual compatibility

And of course Saturn for longevity, responsibility and possible restrictions/lessons to be learned

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That chart looks pretty good, astrolog!
Whoa the person who's the inner chart must be sooo smitten..
But it seems to be going both ways.
Gotta be a powerful connection!

Is it a crush or a partner??

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posted March 29, 2013 01:20 PM            

Also, honestly, planetary geometry is the key (at least according to my observation).

posted March 29, 2013 01:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
- Angles connections (cardinal houses are more powerful than others, by definition, so look at planets that fall into the 1-7H and 4-10H. It's even more powerful if there's an actual conjunction to the angle/cusp)

- Nodes connections (I'd rather have North Node conjunctions)

- Luminaries (Sun & Moon) for basic compatibility (needs, expression of the ego)

- Houses overlays (again, cardinal houses are powerful, 5th and 8th can add some sparks also. Depends on the natal preferences, for ex. Uranian people may enjoy 11th house connections, etc)

Venus/Mars/Pluto for the chemistry/sexual compatibility

And of course Saturn for longevity, responsibility and possible restrictions/lessons to be learned

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posted March 29, 2013 02:11 PM            

All significant relationships start here.

posted March 29, 2013 02:16 PM            

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Also, honestly, planetary geometry is the key (at least according to my observation)...Ceri

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so very true Ceri

posted March 29, 2013 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
The first thing I look for is an aspect
(any aspect even a minor aspect)
between the Rulers of the Ascendant.

All significant relationships start here.

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ASC-rulers in exact opposition; as a matter of fact he has ASC in Pisces with Aries intercepted, and using traditional rulers, his Mars-Jupiter-conjunction is opposite my ASC-ruler Jupiter.

Yes, he is very different to me, but the fascination is huge. He seems to have exactly the qualities I lack (or those which are suppressed) and need.

Also his personal planets are above the horizon, mine are below (though we have a massive conjuncted synastric Stellium in Sagittarius involving his Sun, MOon and MC and my Sun and DESc-ruler Mercury).

Also many of his planets are on the Western side of the chart (Sun, Mercury, Neptune in 9th, Mars-Jupiter in 6th, Saturn and Pluto in 7th).
Except for Saturn all my planets are on the Eastern side (again the sign of both our personal planets are mostly Sag, and both having Venus in Capricorn).

Also, while we both have a fire-emphasis; he has no planet in Air - and I have my Moon and MC there.
I have only one planet in earth - Venus-, and he has his Mars, Jupiter and Venus in Earth.

the dispositors of my personal planets are in Pisces and Cancer (using new rulers. Scorpio as well).

the dispositors of his personal planets are mostly in Virgo (and his Mars-dispositor is in Sag, the sign of my Mars).

posted March 29, 2013 09:10 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
so very true Ceri

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posted March 30, 2013 06:11 AM            

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Originally posted by astrolog:
What is geometry

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If at least three planets are in aspect to each other, like a Grand Trine or a T-square for example.
But even if it is not MAJOR geometry, the connected planets work together like a closed circuit.

Example:
Venus on 10 Aries
Mars on 10 Leo
Jupiter on 10 Gemini.

Not a major planetary geometry, but all planets are in aspect to each other. Often it coincides with a midpoint picture, too, as is here the case. As Jupiter is on the midpoint of Venus and Mars.
If that happens it is a very energetic combo.

posted March 30, 2013 06:34 AM            

so using the two charts i posted-can be viewed from the link above, can i say that there is not grand trine or t-square in chart a but there is in chart b?

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If at least three planets are in aspect to each other, like a Grand Trine or a T-square for example.
But even if it is not MAJOR geometry, the connected planets work together like a closed circuit.

Example:
Venus on 10 Aries
Mars on 10 Leo
Jupiter on 10 Gemini.

Not a major planetary geometry, but all planets are in aspect to each other. Often it coincides with a midpoint picture, too, as is here the case. As Jupiter is on the midpoint of Venus and Mars.
If that happens it is a very energetic combo.

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posted March 30, 2013 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
If at least three planets are in aspect to each other, like a Grand Trine or a T-square for example.
But even if it is not MAJOR geometry, the connected planets work together like a closed circuit.

Example:
Venus on 10 Aries
Mars on 10 Leo
Jupiter on 10 Gemini.

Not a major planetary geometry, but all planets are in aspect to each other. Often it coincides with a midpoint picture, too, as is here the case. As Jupiter is on the midpoint of Venus and Mars.
If that happens it is a very energetic combo.

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From what you said, would it be correct to assume that midpoints configuration (even if there is no Ptolemaic aspects between the planets involved) are very potent in synastry?

posted March 30, 2013 07:00 AM            

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Originally posted by ueharaa:
From what you said, would it be correct to assume that midpoints configuration (even if there is no Ptolemaic aspects between the planets involved) are very potent in synastry?

I've always wondered this but midpoints somehow aren't looked at as that important. Aspects come first. Midpoints are often overlooked.

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There are different opinions.

I personally have found midpoint figurations to be extremely potent; even if there is no aspect (though if there is a natal aspect it is of course strengthened, even if it is a minor aspect. I have an interesting thing going on as my Neptune and NN is squaring Jujpiter and my Moon is novile Venus. Now interestingly the three midpoints Moon/Venus, Jupiter/NEptune and Jupiter/NN fall onto the same degree at 25-26 Capricorn. I do not have any planet on 25-26 cardinal; however along comes a gentleman who puts his Venus on 25.55 Cap in exact conjunction to these midpoints, and though there are no major aspects to his Venus, though my Neptune, Node and Jupiter are of course semisquare his Venus exactly; I certainly can feel it. LIke his presence alone is opening up a whole world of new possibilities; of course these possibilities are from my chart, the midpoints of said planets; but they have to be triggered to be brought into consciousness, and that is what he does for me. And I certainly love it. lol)

Anyway, Rob Hand states in his book "horoscopesymbols" that direct midpoints (conjunction and opposition) within 1,5 degrees are just as valid as major aspects! And should always be taken into account, (if a third planet is conjunct or opposite that midpoint within 1,5 degrees of course).

Personally I also look out for squares to midpoints under one degree, as any midpoint between two planets is really a midpoint axis; in the case of my Moon/Venus the near midpoint is 25 Capricorn, but of course there is another midpoint on the other side on 25 Cancer, as in a circle you have always two midpoints between two planets; one is near, the other far.
And the square is actually on the midpoint of that midpoint axis. Of course it gets more and more subtle. But my midpoint squares, if very tight, are sometimes more strongly felt than sextile or trine between the planets. lol

BTW that is also the reason that squares to the nodal axis are oftentimes felt so very strongly. Same goes for any axis btw.

If we have major configurations made up of aspects from the same harmonic, they are usally also midpoint configurations.

A grand trine consists of three trines, which is a 3rd harmonic aspect.
In the case of tight orbs, the third planet falls always on the far midpoint of the two others.

Example:
Venus: 4 Cap
Pluto: 4 Virgo
Moon: 4 Taurus

Venus is opposite the Moon/Pluto-mp
Pluto is opposite the Venus/Moon-mp
Moon is oppospite the Venus/Pluto-mp

or a T-square, made up of an opposition and two squares (4h harmonic aspects).

Example:
Sun 10 Sagittarius
Jupiter 10 Gemini
Moon 10 Pisces

posted March 30, 2013 07:01 AM            

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Originally posted by astrolog:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum11/HTML/006514.html

so using the two charts i posted-can be viewed from the link above, can i say that there is not grand trine or t-square in chart a but there is in chart b?

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posted March 30, 2013 07:04 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Can you post the natal charts alone?
Degrees matter a lot.

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posted March 30, 2013 07:38 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
There are different opinions.

I personally have found midpoint figurations to be extremely potent; even if there is no aspect (though if there is a natal aspect it is of course strengthened, even if it is a minor aspect. I have an interesting thing going on as my Neptune and NN is squaring Jujpiter and my Moon is novile Venus. Now interestingly the three midpoints Moon/Venus, Jupiter/NEptune and Jupiter/NN fall onto the same degree at 25-26 Capricorn. I do not have any planet on 25-26 cardinal; however along comes a gentleman who puts his Venus on 25.55 Cap in exact conjunction to these midpoints, and though there are no major aspects to his Venus, though my Neptune, Node and Jupiter are of course semisquare his Venus exactly; I certainly can feel it. LIke his presence alone is opening up a whole world of new possibilities; of course these possibilities are from my chart, the midpoints of said planets; but they have to be triggered to be brought into consciousness, and that is what he does for me. And I certainly love it. lol)

Anyway, Rob Hand states in his book "horoscopesymbols" that direct midpoints (conjunction and opposition) within 1,5 degrees are just as valid as major aspects! And should always be taken into account, (if a third planet is conjunct or opposite that midpoint within 1,5 degrees of course).

Personally I also look out for squares to midpoints under one degree, as any midpoint between two planets is really a midpoint axis; in the case of my Moon/Venus the near midpoint is 25 Capricorn, but of course there is another midpoint on the other side on 25 Cancer, as in a circle you have always two midpoints between two planets; one is near, the other far.
And the square is actually on the midpoint of that midpoint axis. Of course it gets more and more subtle. But my midpoint squares, if very tight, are sometimes more strongly felt than sextile or trine between the planets. lol

BTW that is also the reason that squares to the nodal axis are oftentimes felt so very strongly. Same goes for any axis btw.

If we have major configurations made up of aspects from the same harmonic, they are usally also midpoint configurations.

A grand trine consists of three trines, which is a 3rd harmonic aspect.
In the case of tight orbs, the third planet falls always on the far midpoint of the two others.

Example:
Venus: 4 Cap
Pluto: 4 Virgo
Moon: 4 Taurus

Venus is opposite the Moon/Pluto-mp
Pluto is opposite the Venus/Moon-mp
Moon is oppospite the Venus/Pluto-mp

or a T-square, made up of an opposition and two squares (4h harmonic aspects).

Example:
Sun 10 Sagittarius
Jupiter 10 Gemini
Moon 10 Pisces

Moon is on the midpoint of Sun/Jupiter, as it dissects the opposition equally.

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posted March 30, 2013 01:34 PM            

There are 2 extremely strong and interlocked geometrical patterns outstanding here.

One you could say is highly beneficial which contains the red one's Neptune-Pluto sextile together with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile to make a *Mystic Rectangle* out of it, here the shape of this pattern;

One interaspect in the Rectangle is a *chiron/neptune trine* which is the very best you can have between both when it comes to durability (in most longlasting couples you will find a strong Chiron/Neptune linkage). It's also a very romantic linkage. Pluto in the mix will intensify the love.

The second pattern contains the red one's Saturn being the focal point of a *Yod* with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile. A Yod-example;

That's one hell of a challenge here.
The Saturn-person would have a lot of power over the blue one. Also able to harm her/him deeply to the point of bringing heartbreak. My guess would be that the red one is the guy here. Men like to have power and in most cases when I see such patterns between charts it *IS* the guy.

You would feel both equally, the lovable rectangle but also the pain of this very challenging Yod-pattern. That both are interlocked makes it even more powerful.
And the more powerful the more attraction but also often the more pain..

This is all I can say.

posted March 31, 2013 12:04 AM            

Do you mind if you can kindly help to read another chart I have using the geometric pattern

UOTE]Originally posted by mir:
Ok, my take on the chart below. The Core-impression and so related to the topic subject, what do you see first?

There are 2 extremely strong and interlocked geometrical patterns outstanding here.

One you could say is highly beneficial which contains the red one's Neptune-Pluto sextile together with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile to make a *Mystic Rectangle* out of it, here the shape of this pattern;

One interaspect in the Rectangle is a *chiron/neptune trine* which is the very best you can have between both when it comes to durability (in most longlasting couples you will find a strong Chiron/Neptune linkage). It's also a very romantic linkage. Pluto in the mix will intensify the love.

The second pattern contains the red one's Saturn being the focal point of a *Yod* with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile. A Yod-example;

That's one hell of a challenge here.
The Saturn-person would have a lot of power over the blue one. Also able to harm her/him deeply to the point of bringing heartbreak. My guess would be that the red one is the guy here. Men like to have power and in most cases when I see such patterns between charts it *IS* the guy.

You would feel both equally, the lovable rectangle but also the pain of this very challenging Yod-pattern. That both are interlocked makes it even more powerful.
And the more powerful the more attraction but also often the more pain..

This is all I can say.

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posted March 31, 2013 12:09 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
Ok, my take on the chart below. The Core-impression and so related to the topic subject, what do you see first?

There are 2 extremely strong and interlocked geometrical patterns outstanding here.

One you could say is highly beneficial which contains the red one's Neptune-Pluto sextile together with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile to make a *Mystic Rectangle* out of it, here the shape of this pattern;

One interaspect in the Rectangle is a *chiron/neptune trine* which is the very best you can have between both when it comes to durability (in most longlasting couples you will find a strong Chiron/Neptune linkage). It's also a very romantic linkage. Pluto in the mix will intensify the love.

The second pattern contains the red one's Saturn being the focal point of a *Yod* with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile. A Yod-example;

That's one hell of a challenge here.
The Saturn-person would have a lot of power over the blue one. Also able to harm her/him deeply to the point of bringing heartbreak. My guess would be that the red one is the guy here. Men like to have power and in most cases when I see such patterns between charts it *IS* the guy.

You would feel both equally, the lovable rectangle but also the pain of this very challenging Yod-pattern. That both are interlocked makes it even more powerful.
And the more powerful the more attraction but also often the more pain..

This is all I can say.

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posted March 31, 2013 12:42 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Can you post the natal charts alone?
Degrees matter a lot.

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posted March 31, 2013 12:45 AM            

Do you mind if you can kindly help to read another chart I have using the geometric pattern

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Originally posted by mir:
Ok, my take on the chart below. The Core-impression and so related to the topic subject, what do you see first?

There are 2 extremely strong and interlocked geometrical patterns outstanding here.

One you could say is highly beneficial which contains the red one's Neptune-Pluto sextile together with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile to make a *Mystic Rectangle* out of it, here the shape of this pattern;

One interaspect in the Rectangle is a *chiron/neptune trine* which is the very best you can have between both when it comes to durability (in most longlasting couples you will find a strong Chiron/Neptune linkage). It's also a very romantic linkage. Pluto in the mix will intensify the love.

The second pattern contains the red one's Saturn being the focal point of a *Yod* with the blue one's Chiron-Sun/Merc. sextile. A Yod-example;

That's one hell of a challenge here.
The Saturn-person would have a lot of power over the blue one. Also able to harm her/him deeply to the point of bringing heartbreak. My guess would be that the red one is the guy here. Men like to have power and in most cases when I see such patterns between charts it *IS* the guy.

You would feel both equally, the lovable rectangle but also the pain of this very challenging Yod-pattern. That both are interlocked makes it even more powerful.
And the more powerful the more attraction but also often the more pain..

This is all I can say.

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