posted April 05, 2013 11:25 PM            

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Originally posted by vickymadness:
I'm not attracted to my DSC , 5th house or 8th house sign. Nor to whoever aspecting any of my DSC/5th/8th house rulers. Even people with planets falling in my 5th or 7th, literally no attraction.
The 3 people I was massively attracted to had their sun either opposite or conjunct my vertex.( 2 conjunct, and 1 opposite )

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Hi Vicky,

Yeah, the Vertex Axis is powerful indeed.

I've noticed that it's quite common for people to be attracted to the sign opposition on their Vertex Axis... The Vertex itself and the Antiviertx (opposite point). Some people favor one end over the other though.

I have Taurus and Scorpio on my Vertex Axis with Uranus conjunct my Antivertex, and opposite my Vertex. People with Taurus, Scorpio, and Aquarius, personal planets are fascinating to me. So are people with Taurus/Scorpio oppositions in their natal chart, and Uranus oppositions in their natal chart. Basically, people whose charts mirror, or aspect, my Vertex Axis are like 'game changers' for me. They stick in my memory and resonate with me on a deep level.

About the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses and such... Have you looked into the rulers of these houses and what they are doing. If you don't feel drawn to the cusp signs themselves, often the rulers will shed light on things. Also, house-ruler synastry is very potent. Strong synastry with a partner involving the rulers of the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses generates a lot of CHEMISTRY.

Also, when the 5th, 7th, and 8th house don’t provide satisfactory ‘hits’ in your analysis, there are some other techniques I’ve been using regarding attraction that are quite helpful… As in I’ve had some ‘Twilight Zone’ hits with them, when analyzing mine and other people’s synastry.

I’ve taken part in a couple of threads on these recently.

True Love Clues http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/218656.html

8th house and attraction (this actually goes into a lot more then that) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/218632.html

Here are the two major techniques I use.

THE HOUSE RULED BY THE SIGN OF VENUS (FOR MEN) OR MARS (FOR WOMEN).

The first trick I use is the house of Venus for men, and the house of Mars for women. This is not the house that Venus or Mars are actually in, it’s a bit more abstract then this. It goes like this…

Each sign is said to rule a house, Aries rules the 1st house, Taurus rules the 2nd house, Gemini rules the 3rd house, and so on.

Well, if a man has Venus in Gemini, or a women has Mars in Gemini, then you look at the 3rd house for more details on your ideal masculine or feminine image.

If you have Venus in Taurus (for men) or Mars in Taurus (for women), then check the 2nd house for extra details on what you find attractive about the opposite sex.

Mars and Venus have a lot to do with what type of gender roles we find attractive.

THE HOUSE RULED BY THE SIGN ON THE DSC. (The Secondary Dsc)

This uses a similar method to the Venus/Mars thing. For extra information on the type of partner you look for, check out the house ruled by the sign on your Dsc.

For example, I’ve got a Gemini Dsc, Gemini rules the 3rd house, so the 3rd house will show extra detail about the type of partner I’m attracted to…. I’ve got Aquarius on the 3rd house cusp ruled by Uranus in Scorpio. It’s true. I find people with personal planets in Aquarius and Scorpio fascinating and I am intrigued by, and attracted to them (This is doubly reinforced for me because my Vertex Axis mirrors this energy too).

FOR ANYONE STILL CONFUSED ABOUT LOCATING THE ‘SECONDARY DSC’…

Here’s a list of the house cusps to look to as an extension of your DSC for each rising sign. These house cusps are symbolically linked to the sign on your DSC… showing what other traits you are attracted to in others, apart from just what the DSC alone shows.

Aries rising, Libra DSC… The 7th House has double importance.

Taurus rising, Scorpio DSC… Look to the 8th House.

Gemini rising, Sagittarius DSC… Look to the 9th House

Cancer rising, Capricorn DSC… Look to the 10th House

Leo rising, Aquarius DSC… Look to the 11th House

Virgo rising, Pisces DSC… Look to the 12th House

Libra rising, Aries DSC… Look to the 1st House

Scorpio rising, Taurus DSC… Look to the 2nd House

Sagittarius rising, Gemini DSC… Look to the 3rd House

Capricorn rising, Cancer DSC… Look to the 4th House

Aquarius rising, Leo DSC… Look to the 5th House

Pisces rising, Virgo DSC… Look to the 6th House

Can you see the pattern now?

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For love relationship synastry, my primary focus is the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, the Vertex Axis, and Juno (more and more I’m starting to see that this asteroid is actually quite influential in our choice of partners).

Whenever the above synastry connections seem to be lacking in a comparison, I’ll check the secondary Dsc, and the houses ruled by the signs of Venus and Mars (for women and men respectively)… It’s amazing how many hits I’ve been able to pull from these. Along with the secondary 5th and 8th houses sometimes.

Usually, I use this type of approach just for the romantic synastry stuff… But…

You can actually use this technique on any house, or planet… Look at the house ruled by the sign of the house, or planet, that is your original source of interest. I call these secondary houses. They act like back-ups providing supplementary information about the original planet or house of interest (As in more detailed information about that area of life for you).

posted April 05, 2013 11:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
I have Taurus and Scorpio on my Vertex Axis with Uranus conjunct my Antivertex, and opposite my Vertex. People with Taurus, Scorpio, and Aquarius, personal planets are fascinating to me. So are people with Taurus/Scorpio oppositions in their natal chart, and Uranus oppositions in their natal chart. Basically, people whose charts mirror, or aspect, my Vertex Axis are like 'game changers' for me. They stick in my memory and resonate with me on a deep level.

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But what I'd really like to know is: Do you also consider any planets in the secondary houses? How do you handle it when the secondary house ruler is in a close conjunction to another planet? Say someone has Aquarius on the decendent with uranus conjunct pluto in Virgo in their second house. Virgo is ruled by mercury and they've got mercury conjunct venus in Sagitarrius in their 5th. How would you interpret that? Also, what about if they have a planet in their 7th house? And do you ever look to the traditional house rulers of jupiter for Pisces, saturn for Aquarius, or mars for Scorpio?

posted April 06, 2013 12:04 AM            

Some Vertex connections really are about people that come and go in our lives quite quickly, while sharply illuminating important issues for us. On the other hand, you could share a Vertex connection with your spouse of 50 years also. The rest of the synastry, and the situational context of it, are crucial in determining how a Vertex connection will play out in our lives.

Ages ago I did a thread on the mythology of the Vertex, it’s really interesting.

Here’s the jist of my post. You may notice that my celebrity example is Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes… This just goes to show that while the Vertex is fateful and profound, it certainly doesn’t guarantee a happy ending. However, it’s doesn’t guarantee failure either. Again, what comes of a Vertex connection between two people depends on the rest of the synastry, and other external factors.

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MYTHOLOGY OF THE VERTEX

Okay, I been posting on a variety of different threads lately relating to the Vertex. Which lead me to an interesting study on the mythological symbolism of the Vertex. And since my obsession with this special Astrological point has been revived so strongly of late, I couldn’t resist an entirely new thread based on Vertex mythology and it’s implications for synastry.

Interestingly the mythology of the Vertex does relate strongly to the theme of love and passion.

The word ‘Vertex’ comes from the Latin root word vertere, meaning to change, to turn, turn frequently or spin. The Roman god Vertumnus has also roots in the Latin word vertere… He is said to rule over gardens, fruit trees and seasons (changes), and to have the appearance of an attractive young man. Hence, the Vertex has a mythological connection with the story of Vertumnus and Pomona… A classic Roman love story.

Astrologer Kim Falconer, talks about this mythological connection to the Vertex on her website. I highly recommend her page on the Vertex. Here’s a link… http://www.falconastrology.com/vertex.htm

Anyway, I’ve read several versions of this myth and have decided to take a shot and writing my own summery of it for the sake of simplicity. So with out much ado, here’s a short rendition of the tale… To get the main points of it across.

VERTUMNUS AND POMONA

Apparently, Pomona was a beautiful fruit nymph, who had many admirers. Only she had little interest in men, and lived for tending her garden alone. Then one day Vertumnus, chanced to glimpse her through the gate in the high walls surrounding the garden that Pomona lived in…. Upon seeing how fine she was, he was captivated and fell madly in love with her, more so then any of her other admirers.

From that day forth, Vertumnus would disguise himself to enter Pomona’s garden as various different personalities just so he could be near her. Pomona had built the high wall around her garden to keep out pesky would-be admirers, so Vertumnus never revealed his true identity during his visits. Continuously, Vertumnus pursued Pomona in this way. He appeared before her every day in a different guise, until a time came when he could no longer bear to only love Pomona from afar…

So one day Vertumnus approached Pomona disguised as an old women selling fruit. When Pomona saw the harmless old women she let her into the garden, and was surprised when the old woman began kissing her. Vertumnus, seeing Pomona’s stunned reaction, then stopped kissing her and an interesting conversation took place. The ‘old women’ started to try and convince Pomona, through logic, that she aught to consider the value of love and intimacy in her life. This was done using various different arguments. Yet Pomona remained unconvinced. The ‘old women’ then directly referenced Vertumnus, telling of how she knew that he loved Pomona ardently, and would love no other then Pomona, and that he would make a fine match for her…

Even after this, Pomona still remained unconvinced of opening her heart to love. Finally, in a last desperate attempt to gain Pomona’s favor, Vertumnus dropped his disguise as an old women, revealing his true appearance as a beautiful male youth and stood naked before her. In that moment the beauty of Vertumnus’s true form took Pomona’s breath away, like the glory of the Sun when the clouds have parted. She found herself falling in love with him, returning the ardent passion that he felt. Pomona then at last surrendered her heart and ran into Vertumnus’s arms. Later they got married. Both of them taking up residence in Pomona’s garden and where they have stayed together, still in love, tending the fruit side by side…

Wasn’t that a sweet story!

If you’re interested in reading a couple of other versions of the myth here’s a few I found on the net…

http://www.sacred-texts.com/etc/omw/omw43.htm
This version of the myth is quite detailed, and even discusses the other men, apart form Vertumnus that admired Pomona.

http://ffjh.davis.k12.ut.us/thompson/myths/ehmyth20/POMONA.HTM
This version is short and to the point.

On her Vertex page Kim Falconer makes this point…“The theme of this myth centers on a seemingly chance moment where an outstanding event occurs. To Pomona, it was like an epiphany, a sudden turn of fate, a radical awakening of perception. To Vertumnus, it was at first a well planned strategy, then finally an act of spontaneous desperation. Imagine his surprise when Pomona finally received him!”

My take on this is that usually, in synastry, the person with their Vertex aspected plays the symbolic role of Vertumnus. While the planet/point person usually plays Pomona’s role… Meaning that, most commonly, the Vertex person experiences some type of instant recognition of, or attraction to, the planet/point person. And consequently develops a fascination with them… The planet/point person may remain oblivious to the Vertex person’s attention for quite some time. Until eventually a moment of ‘reckoning’ comes and the planet/point person is astonished to discover the full extent of the Vertex person’s regard for them. This is primarily in romantic situations, and has to do with secret crushes being revealed and that sort of thing. But it can also apply to other relationships… Like if you have a teacher aspecting your Vertex in syanstry, perhaps they didn’t realize the full extent of the influence that they had on you, until years later when you wrote them a letter thanking them for their guidance.

Also, sometimes in synastry the roles do get reversed, and the Vertex person ‘plays’ Pomona and the planet/point person ‘plays’ Vertumnus. Don’t ask me why, but every now and then astrological synastry aspects will ‘flip the script’, form the usual expected turn of events… This happens with non-Vertex aspects too. Like, sometimes in a Venus/Uranus aspect, Uranus will shock and surprise Venus in the area of love and affection… And then, at other times Venus will shock and surprise Uranus. After all, Venus is aspecting that part of the other person's chart which rules ’the unexpected’… If you catch my drift.

Also, if two people mutually aspect each other’s Vertex, they may both instantly recognize each other as ‘special’ in some way. How fast the relationship develops after this depends on how bold each person is on an individual level.

Interestingly, I know of a real life celebrity example of this type of Vertex synastry. The celebrity couple Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes…

Katie Holmes’ birth time is known, and she has her Vertex at 12 degrees of Capricorn, opposite Tom Cruise’s Sun at 11 degrees of Cancer…

Okay, from what I’ve read in articles and such when Katie Holmes was a girl she saw the movie ‘Top Gun’ starring Tom. She became so infatuated with him after seeing this movie, that she used to fantasize that she’d marry he someday… (you can see where this is going). Years later she admitted during an interview with Seventeen magazine that Tom Cruise had been a celebrity crush of hers, and that she used to think she was going to marry him… Well, as fate would have it, supposedly Mr. Cruise found out about this interview, and it set his wheels turning. He arranged to meet Katie under the vague notion that it was for a ‘project’, and they really hit it off.

The rest is history. They fell in love and got married. There was the incident when Tom declared his love for Katie, jumping up and down on a couch during OPRAH, and she seemed to be just fine with his Scientology weirdness (not sure I would be, but hey, it’s her life).

Getting back to the astrology of it. Tom Cruise’s Sun opposed Katie Holmes Vertex… In this case she is Vertumnus. She had a fantasy of him for a long time before he even realized she was alive. Until he found about that fateful interview with Seventeen magazine, he never thought about pursuing her. Once faced with this revelation, however, he had a ‘Pomona’ type reaction to Katie’s charms (A romantic Eureka! moment so to speak), and took action … And there you have it, couplehood!

What is Vertex synastry? Any planet (especially personal planets) or point within orb of aspecting the Vertex can indicate an attraction. Conjunctions and oppositions are the most potent but other aspects have an effect as well (even trines, sextiles, and semi-squares). It may also be worth taking into account both of the rulers of the Vertex and the Antivertex signs, the same way you’d look at the rulers of the Mc/Ic or the Dsc/Asc. The Vertex and the Antivertex do both seem to play an inseparable role in relationships or encounters that feel ‘fated’ or meant to be.

In terms of orbs I use 4 degrees for direct hard aspect to the Vertex Axis, and then use about 2 degrees for other aspects, and aspects to Vertex Axis rulers.

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VERTUMNUS AND POMONA... A VX LOVE STORY (this is the actual Vertex mythology thread) http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/213721.html

You may notice that I mentioned the RULERS of the Vertex Axis. I’m a big fan of using rulers to help analyze pretty much anything astrological. In synastry involving the Vertex rulers, I think it’s possible to see how others are able to pull the strings of fate for us. The Vertex Axis is all about revelations, and important changes.

posted April 06, 2013 01:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Lotis White:
[b]I have Taurus and Scorpio on my Vertex Axis with Uranus conjunct my Antivertex, and opposite my Vertex. People with Taurus, Scorpio, and Aquarius, personal planets are fascinating to me. So are people with Taurus/Scorpio oppositions in their natal chart, and Uranus oppositions in their natal chart. Basically, people whose charts mirror, or aspect, my Vertex Axis are like 'game changers' for me. They stick in my memory and resonate with me on a deep level.

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Originally posted by Jkitty:
I've got sun in Aquarius and mercury in Aquarius in opposition to uranus in Leo

But what I'd really like to know is: Do you also consider any planets in the secondary houses? How do you handle it when the secondary house ruler is in a close conjunction to another planet? Say someone has Aquarius on the decendent with uranus conjunct pluto in Virgo in their second house. Virgo is ruled by mercury and they've got mercury conjunct venus in Sagitarrius in their 5th. How would you interpret that? Also, what about if they have a planet in their 7th house? And do you ever look to the traditional house rulers of jupiter for Pisces, saturn for Aquarius, or mars for Scorpio?

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Yes. I look at everything. When looking at the Dsc, I’ll note the sign of the cusp, planets in the 7th house, the ruler of the 7th house by sign, house, and aspect. I’ll also take note if a lot of the next sign along falls into the 7th house. I consider the modern rulers to be the most dominant influence on a sign, but I’ll also pay attention to the traditional rulers, as co-rulers. I believe they have a sub-influence on a sign. Yep, I take all into account.

This sounds complicated but people are complicated. We often attract those who embody the complications seen in our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, and Vertex Axis.

For example, if you have a Cancer Dsc ruled by Moon in Sagittarius, you may attract a person who loves security, and yet also has an intense desire for freedom and travel. This person would embody the contradiction of you 7th house pattern, and in a weird way you’d actually like that.

Perhaps this 7th house ruler, the Moon in Sagittarius, is in your 12th house and is square Uranus, while trining Venus. This pattern would add an attraction to partners who are quite erratic, unpredictable, and moody in their personal lives, while also being charming and smooth on a social level, and probably quite affectionate. The 7th house ruler being in the 12th could indicate that this person is very sensitive and artistic. They may find the realities of life a little harsh for them at times, and need frequent retreats into their own private world.

When looking at secondary houses I use the same rules as with original houses. I’ll look at the sign on the cusp, and the planets in that house. Then I’ll look the house ruler by sign, house, and aspect.

I think when it comes to astrology you have to be able to look at things in both a micro and macro level. You’d check the details of your Vertex Axis, or a certain house, and then look at the OVERALL PATTERNS shown in chart. Certain themes will be stronger then others when you look at the overall chart. These themes will be reflected in situations and people you attract. The fine details, distinct characteristics, difficulty, ease, contradictions, and weird coincidences, that go along with these situations and people, can often be identified by referring back to specific parts of our chart.

To be truly good at astrology a person has to have the kind of mind that can keep track of details, while also understanding how these details fit into an overall pattern. For new people this is hard at first but it is something that can be learned. New people especially are confused by too much information and details. The more you do astrology the better you get at pin-pointing how different combinations go together even if they seem oddly matched or contradictory.

Learning how to analyze houses really helps develop skill in this area. There’s the cusp sign, the house ruler’s position, planets in that house… And we have to put it all together and make sense of it.

Then on top of that, you start paying attention to how the house ruler in question aspects other planets (planets that do rule other houses), and angles. And also how planets in other houses aspect planets in the house in question.

Anyway that’s my take on the complications of analyzing charts, especially houses.

You can look at the Vertex Axis in our charts in this type of detail as well.

posted April 06, 2013 01:22 AM            

The Vertex Axis is said to be associated with fateful encounters and wish fulfillment.

Any planet (especially personal planets), or point, within orb of aspecting the Vertex in synastry can indicate an attraction. Conjunctions and oppositions are the most potent but other aspects have an effect as well (I've noticed that I can feel even trines and sextiles to my Vertex in transit).

In synastry the Vertex has a 'POW!' type of effect... The person who has their natal Vertex aspected in synastry often experiences the planet/point person as having very memorable, or even life altering, impact on their path (for better or worse!). The planet/point person is seen as particularly special and interesting from the Vertex person's point of view. Vertex synastry is not always romantic in nature... But when it is it can point towards intense infatuations. As if the planet/point person represents to the Vertex person some exact qualities they’ve always desired in a mate. Or qualities the Vertex person didn’t even realize they wanted, until the planet/point person came along and rocked the Vertex person’s world….

People who aspect your Vertex tend to have a powerful influence on…

*Your way of thinking.
*Important changes in your life.
*Turning your wishes/longings into reality.
*And ultimately your life direction.

This can be in either a positive or a negative way… After all, if you were bullied as a kid, for example, perhaps these experiences with bullying strongly influenced your perspective on life. At first not in a happy way at all. Perhaps you were inspired to overcome this experience, learn how to defend yourself, and succeed at your dreams no matter what due to your early trauma. So you wound up being a martial arts champion… Thanks to your bully… Who had Mars conjunct your Vertex! People who aspect our Vertex can be like inspiration for us. Depending on the rest of your synastry with that person, it can be in a happy way or a challenging way…

In a romantic sense, a person you share Vertex synastry with could be the one you fall hard for all of a sudden, and then stay married to… Or they could be that person who ripped your heart out, and taught you exactly what you don’t want in a relationship. Whatever the case, people who aspect your Vertex seem to be able to leave their own personal stamp on your psyche, and they are not easily forgotten. The experiences you have with a person strongly aspecting your Vertex are usually meaningful, and feel as if they were meant to happen for some reason…

Also, in romance, the Vertex Axis does have seem to have an ‘idealized’/'Idealizing' quality to it… When you have your Vertex aspected in the context of a romance, that person can feel like they match your fantasies to a scarily accurate degree… Like they are the man or women of your dreams, and are precisely your ‘type’. And even if they are not your usual ‘type‘, there’s something about them that intrigues and fascinates you to no end.

When you think about how the Vertex Axis is associated with fateful encounters, and wish fulfillment, it makes total sense that Vertex synastry can be outrageously attractive in romantic relationships. When your Vertex is aspected within the context of a romantic relationship, that person naturally does and says things the resonate with you romantic wishes. They help you find just the right information, get into just the right situation, and create just the right dynamic with you. All in a way that fits your ideal scenarios concerning romance, and how you always thought things should be. Conversely, they may ‘open your eyes’, by helping you create a new vision for how love should be, and what you want from your partner. This experience can feel very personal and profound. When it seems like your wishes are coming true, it’s natural feel as if the circumstances that have come about were ‘fated’… You feel pulled toward the person you have Vertex synastry with, as if to experience some part of your destiny.

Vertex synastry often brings with it a kooky kind of synchronicity. Usually there’ll be interesting context to how you met. It’s bizarre the amount of odd little things you’ll have in common with people you have significant Vertex synastry with. These people just seem to notice the same things as you, and have a bunch of previous life experience that feels interesting and relevant. The topics that come to the forefront of their minds, their way of understanding things, and certain details of their lives, will reverberate through you mind and strike a chord in you. These people are compelling and Intriguing. They are often an embodiment of things that are a big deal to you in many coincidental ways. They seem to naturally understand the things you consider important, and ‘get’ your issues in a way that most others don’t. Also, they have a way of connecting you with other people, information, and circumstances that you needed to move forward. They help you find the right step to take next, to get closer to where you want to be in life. Or make changes that need to be made. In a way people who aspect your Vertex are like your personal ushers of fate. Like a host at a party they show you where to go, tell you where the food (stuff you need) is, and introduce you to the right people. They may not even be aware of the profound affect they are having on you at the time.

Along with fateful encounters and wish fulfillment, the Vertex Axis also seems to refer simply that which stands out in your psyche. What you notice and deem important. Topics, people, events, and situations, related to the symbolism of your Vertex Axis tend to stick in your mind. People who aspect your Vertex Axis have a haunting effect. Their style, and activities linger in your mind long after they are gone from your life. They become very much examples of what you seek to embrace or avoid. If a Vertex encounter with someone has a negative impact, that person will create a deep impression in your mind of what would you’d rather avoid. Perhaps related to some type of impossible love situation or heartbreak. If a Vertex encounter with someone was a mostly positive one, then this person will stick in your mind as an example of what is desirable, and you search for more of the same (with maybe a few details altered if that person turned out not to be right for you in the end).

The Vertex seems to be the part of the mind that recognizes information as being significant. This could be why the Vertex Axis is also associated with wish fulfillment. People tend to build their wishes around people and situations that have made a strong mental impression on them. If you haven’t noticed something it won’t be included as part of your ideal world view. This has a two fold effect. Vertex synastry allows people to shape your views on what is ideal and meaningful. It also allows them to shape your views on what is painfully awful. The big turning points in people’s lives often revolve around someone showing them a real example of what is extremely beautiful to experience, and what is extremely terrible to experience. People who aspect your Vertex Axis have direct access to the part of your mind that recognizes significance and meaning in the world around you. They capture you attention. Their story and actions feel relevant and important to you. They teach by example what scenarios and qualities are your ‘dream’, and what ones are your ‘nightmare’. In the arena of romantic relationships Vertex synastry is extremely attractive because these people resonate with your fantasies, to the extent that they feel like a ‘dream come true’. However, they can also become examples of the worst type of heartache.

I must say though, that most people tend to use their Vertex to recognize positives, rather then negatives. The Vertex Axis can shed light on some intensely personal painful stuff that people go through, and why it feels important to them. But the main focus of the Vertex Axis seems to be about building up mental images on what constitutes ideal scenarios and people. Everyone has their own vision of what type of circumstances, storylines, and individuals, are most meaningful and attractive to them. The Vertex Axis can describe what you'd wish for if you lived in an ideal world, and could have the things you hoped for. Transits to the Vertex remind people what their wishes are, and push events along to bring these wishes into reality... In the form of the ideal mate, or the ideal situation.

Some key words, and phrases, for the type of ‘feeling’ that the Vertex evokes in syanstry are…

TURNING POINT. SYNCHRONICITY. EUREKA!. PROFOUND. INSPIRING. UNFORGETTABLE. FATED. STANDS OUT IN MY MIND. REVELATION. EPIPHANY. SETTING THINGS INTO MOTION. NEVER THE SAME AGAIN. FELT LIKE A DREAM COME TRUE. LEAD ME TO EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED. TRANSFORMED MY LIFE. SHOWED ME THE WAY.…

When it comes to who we attract sign wise, both the sign on the Vertex and the Anti-vertex have an attractive pull to people... If a person has the sign of your Vertex, or Antivertex, strong in their natal chart, they can exert ‘Vertex’ type of influence on you. They’ll get your attention and may seem interesting to you. However, if there’s no tight orb synastry aspects to either side of your Vertex Axis in the connection, this influence is diluted in nature… Kind of like background music that sticks in your mind. Actual aspects to the Vertex are where the action is.

Another thing I’ve noticed is that if people have an opposition in their charts involving the signs on your Vertex Axis, they can be particularly influential for you (this includes the Mc/Ic and Asc/Dsc oppositons, as well as planet oppositions).

Using myself as an example… I have Vertex in Taurus and the Antivertex in Scorpio, I also have Uranus tightly conjunct my Antivertex in Scorpio. I’ve noticed that people with Taurus/Scorpio oppositions in their charts do tend to stand out in my mind…. The same thing with people who have Uranus hard aspects in their charts, especially oppositions… Also, Aquarians (who are ruled by Uranus) tend to stand out to me as well.

If a person’s chart strongly mirrors your Vertex Axis, then they can have a ‘Vertex’ like attractive pull on you. This includes people who’s natal charts mirror how planets aspect this axis in your own chart. Like in my example, having Uranus oppose my Vertex, and being intrigued by people with hard Uranus aspects in their chart, and Aquarians.

To summarize… ‘Vertex’ folks are people who have planets aspecting your natal Vertex by degree (yes, even trines, and semi-squares count). People who have one of the signs of the Vertex Axis strong in their chart. Or even better, people who have an opposition involving both the Vertex Axis signs in their chart…

posted April 06, 2013 05:46 PM            

just want to thank you for all that much needed info.The story behind it seems to have realted themes as well as the rest. This info is really helpful.

also, do you have any info on what the significance of venus conjunct vertex (under 1 degre) in a romantic relationship might be?

thanks

posted April 08, 2013 02:21 AM            

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Originally posted by violet7887:
@Lotuswhite

just want to thank you for all that much needed info.The story behind it seems to have realted themes as well as the rest. This info is really helpful.

also, do you have any info on what the significance of venus conjunct vertex (under 1 degre) in a romantic relationship might be?

thanks

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Hi Violet7887,

This my take on Venus/Vertex...

The Vertex person would be fascinated with the Venus person's style of relating, and physical charm. Venus/Vertex can indicate an intense attraction, where the Venus person seems to embody the fantasies of the Vertex person. The Venus person feels noticed and validated for their individuality by the Vertex person. Here is somebody who pays detailed attention to Venus, and takes the time to appreciate them. The Vertex person will relish things about Venus that others may have overlooked or taken for granted.

Their could be uncanny coincidences in the relationship regarding appreciating the arts, music, beauty, and relationship issues. The Venus person’s attitudes regarding relationships and artistic endeavors will have a pivotal impact on the Vertex person, resonating with their desires, and also shaping their future views on such things. The Vertex person will feel that the Venus person ‘gets’ them, and their unique particular interests and needs, when it comes to all topics related to the symbolism of Venus.

posted April 09, 2013 04:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Dreamweaver:
Lotis White,
Your description of Venus/Vertex synastry is very accurate for my relationship. My Venus exactly conjuncts my husband's vertex (Pisces 4). I feel like he appreciates me beyond the superficial in a way that nobody else comes even remotely close to. And I think, after all these years, he is still fascinated & infatuated with me. I guess some people would find that suffocating but I totally get it & need it. We definitely had that fateful feeling in the beginning because he proposed after only a few weeks of dating. I think the Vertex connection is very powerful & even though I am the planet person - the feeling when we met was that whatever was happening to us was destined/fated/unstoppable.

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posted April 09, 2013 10:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi Violet7887,

This my take on Venus/Vertex...

The Vertex person would be fascinated with the Venus person's style of relating, and physical charm. Venus/Vertex can indicate an intense attraction, where the Venus person seems to embody the fantasies of the Vertex person. The Venus person feels noticed and validated for their individuality by the Vertex person. Here is somebody who pays detailed attention to Venus, and takes the time to appreciate them. The Vertex person will relish things about Venus that others may have overlooked or taken for granted.

Their could be uncanny coincidences in the relationship regarding appreciating the arts, music, beauty, and relationship issues. The Venus person’s attitudes regarding relationships and artistic endeavors will have a pivotal impact on the Vertex person, resonating with their desires, and also shaping their future views on such things. The Vertex person will feel that the Venus person ‘gets’ them, and their unique particular interests and needs, when it comes to all topics related to the symbolism of Venus.

Let me know how this fits.

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LotusWhite,

Thank you for that discription. I am the vertex person. Yes most of that does match well. It took me by surprise really, meeting the person. I did/do feel the understanding between us was/is great. It was actually that though I felt really captivated by the person I did not act on it much. But he some how felt like there was no barrier between us and interacted with me in such a way that I was always left thinking about how at home I felt with him. he understands me so well, down to the very little things. Basically there was a feeling of super comfort super fast.

And yes, meeting him brought a change in my life. I lost all the stess I had. He is also my ideal and I am super attracted.

posted April 09, 2013 04:55 PM            

LotisWhite, if you have time, I would be grateful for some ideas about the following:

What is your opinion on a reversal of the vertex axis in synastry, meaning his vertex is on my anti-vertix?

I also happen to have my Mars in Leo exactly on my Vertex, which of course is also on his Anti-Vertex.

Never in my whole life have I felt more captivated by a man, and I'm over 40. I'm sure he has feelings too, but for the moment we keep our distance due to circumstances.

posted April 10, 2013 08:09 AM            

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Originally posted by fireandice:
That's a great thread! Very interesting points so far!

LotisWhite, if you have time, I would be grateful for some ideas about the following:

What is your opinion on a reversal of the vertex axis in synastry, meaning his vertex is on my anti-vertix?

I also happen to have my Mars in Leo exactly on my Vertex, which of course is also on his Anti-Vertex.

Never in my whole life have I felt more captivated by a man, and I'm over 40. I'm sure he has feelings too, but for the moment we keep our distance due to circumstances.

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Hi fireandice,

The Vertex is the Axis we use to interpret what in the world around us has significance and meaning (as opposed to being just random and inconsequential). When two people have their Vertex Axis on top of each other, they’d naturally notice the same types of things as being important. Both of you would have a lot in common in terms what of stands out to you, and resonates within your psyches. This can be very bonding as you have a shared interpretation of what types of situations, people, and scenarios are most desirable, and relevant to having a good life. The same sorts of things would make your hearts sing.

posted April 10, 2013 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi fireandice,

The Vertex is the Axis we use to interpret what in the world around us has significance and meaning (as opposed to being just random and inconsequential). When two people have their Vertex Axis on top of each other, they’d naturally notice the same types of things as being important. Both of you would have a lot in common in terms what of stands out to you, and resonates within your psyches. This can be very bonding as you have a shared interpretation of what types of situations, people, and scenarios are most desirable, and relevant to having a good life. The same sorts of things would make your hearts sing.

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This explanation is beautiful, poetic and yet easy to understand, thanks so much!

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With your Mars on his Vertex Axis he’d be mesmerized by the way you act, initiate, and express your passions, and your raw physical energy. Whenever you express your Mars energy around him it’ll resonate with him on a deep level, as if he’s recognizing something special about you. You may naturally do things that support his vision of how a relationship should be.

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I feel that this is the way he feels about me ... well, time will tell ...

LotisWhite, thank you again for taking the time, it's very appreciated!

posted April 11, 2013 09:38 PM            

My vertex-antiVx are Aries-Libra
5th/7th//8th Ruler are saturn/neptune/mars

The ultimate relationship that I like most is when the other love planets touch my mars. It'd been the unforgetable relationship. Although I don't find the aries men interesting at all