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aquaguy91
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posted April 28, 2013 08:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Saturn conjunct sun and north node in the twelfth

The heaviness of these aspects is hard to deal with at times. It seems that life is one giant obstacle after another and I'll never catch a lucky break. I am extremely hard on myself and tend to be extremely cynical in general.

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posted April 28, 2013 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Two hardest things in my natal chart are

1. Saturn aspects to Sun, ascendant, Mercury, Jupiter and Venus, in the same sign as moon but doesn't aspect it.

2. The Moon is mostly unaspected except to all three outer planets.

This combination has caused depression and I have experienced Neptune in a profound way.

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posted April 28, 2013 11:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jkitty     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jupiter conjunct Saturn (2d orb) on my IC and squaring my Part of Fortune.

The problem is with transits. Life is one long series of disappointments. Everything hits my Jupiter first and I feel overly optimistic . . . then it hits Saturn. Need I say more?

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posted April 29, 2013 12:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I was thinking about this last night and I know Ceri disagrees but I do not feel the 2nd house is self esteem. I feel it is the material world only. What do you think? Why do you think either way you do? xx




Hi Ami

I feel this way because the only time I have really started to feel a good sense of self worth is when Jupiter was transiting through this house.
I get uncomfortable with complements. I don't believe them.

I just feel like the second house is tied to a persons sense of self worth because the people I know with a ton of confidence have Jupiter there or positive aspects to that house ruler.

On another note, I don't care for material possessions at all. Money doesn’t do anything for me. Yeah, I have to pay my bills but out side of that I don't care for it.

I think the second house has to do with what we place value on. Since I have chiron there; I feel wounded there. I don't value material things and I don't have a good sense of self value. Self-love, self-value is missing in me.

But I don't think it is the be all, end all. I have read that venus square saturn can show a low sense of self worth, maybe even venus square chiron can do the same thing. I think there can be lots of indicators in a chart for it. It doesn't just have to be the second house.

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posted April 29, 2013 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

I was thinking about this last night and I know Ceri disagrees but I do not feel the 2nd house is self esteem. I feel it is the material world only. What do you think? Why do you think either way you do? xx




Hi Ami

I feel this way because the only time I have really started to feel a good sense of self worth is when Jupiter was transiting through this house.
I get uncomfortable with complements. I don't believe them.

I just feel like the second house is tied to a persons sense of self worth because the people I know with a ton of confidence have Jupiter there or positive aspects to that house ruler.

On another note, I don't care for material possessions at all. Money doesn’t do anything for me. Yeah, I have to pay my bills but out side of that I don't care for it.

I think the second house has to do with what we place value on. Since I have chiron there; I feel wounded there. I don't value material things and I don't have a good sense of self value. Self-love, self-value is missing in me.

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posted April 29, 2013 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks CAY
That helps as I have Saturn there and I struggle with self esteem and don't care that much for material things although I always worry about material security in kind of a deep fearful way, even though I have never had actual struggles with not having enough etc

Have you had that, too?

Is the self esteem interpretation a common one that is explained in the Astrological literature or one people came to from their own interpretations?

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posted April 29, 2013 01:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thanks CAY
That helps as I have Saturn there and I struggle with self esteem and don't care that much for material things although I always worry about material security in kind of a deep fearful way, even though I have never had actual struggles with not having enough etc

Have you had that, too?

Is the self esteem interpretation a common one that is explained in the Astrological literature or one people came to from their own interpretations?


That is a good question but I don't know when it came around. I have read this on some websites but I don't know if this is observational on the astrologers part or not.

It is a weird thing for me. I really don't value our whole system. All the material things that friends and family value and want in their life; I see as useless and unimportant. I never worry about security (because if things got bad, we have lots of family who would help us) and all I want in life is family, friends, healthy food and a happy life.

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posted April 29, 2013 01:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for CAY_512     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Thanks CAY
That helps as I have Saturn there and I struggle with self esteem and don't care that much for material things although I always worry about material security in kind of a deep fearful way, even though I have never had actual struggles with not having enough etc

Have you had that, too?

Is the self esteem interpretation a common one that is explained in the Astrological literature or one people came to from their own interpretations?


That is a good question but I don't know when it came around. I have read this on some websites but I don't know if this is observational on the astrologers part or not.

It is a weird thing for me. I really don't value our whole system. All the material things that friends and family value and want in their life; I see as useless and unimportant. I never worry about security (because if things got bad, we have lots of family who would help us) and all I want in life is family, friends, healthy food and a happy life.

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posted April 29, 2013 03:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for 12muddy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Retrograde sag mercury in the 12th. It conjuncts my sun and uranus and trine my MC. I spend a fair bit of time thinking/examining my thoughts and feelings. Sometimes I have too many thoughts at the same time. I can have ideas/thoughts that are viewed as weird by people around me, so that makes communication a bit difficult sometimes.

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posted April 29, 2013 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for depth     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm quite lost between Mars square Moon and 1H Saturn square 10H Pluto.

Both are violence related aspects and I've a tough time controlling my anger. Saturn/Pluto square brings authority related issues..more external..while Mars/Moon square is internal conflict. I don't want to fight but don't know how to manage my temper so I fight.

My 1H Aquarius Saturn was a problem when I was younger. From the time Tsaturn crossed my 7th/Leo, it's been nice to me. I can feel the rising confidence, sometimes bordering on over-confidence.

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posted April 29, 2013 07:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I appreciate each answer, as it is not easy to talk from one's heart. I am going to study each post and ask questions, if I need clarification. Love you all

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1. Mercury (chart ruler) square Uranus/Neptune (0° orb for Uranus, 1° for Neptune)
Because Uranus and Neptune are conjunct, it’s hard for me to tell their influence apart. The main problem I find with this aspect is extreme escapism – constantly living in a dream land and fantasizing nonstop. It comes to a point where fantasizing about something makes you happier than actually living through it. When you say something wrong or when something goes not according to plan, you start having these “what if” fantasies and get lost in the dream land again. Also communicating is hard, many times I know exactly what I want to say but can’t articulate it. Sometimes when I speak I suddenly hit a wall and can’t form words. Also my opinions may seem too idealistic (Neptune) and off the wall (Uranus). A dark and stingy sense of humor (with the influence of Scorpio in the rest of the chart) and being very sharp-tongued when angry. Also a tendency to be either a chatterbox or dead silent.

2. Moon square Mars (3° orb) (Sun, Moon and Venus are all conjunct so they might add to the problem but I think the Moon dominates them)
The first word that comes to mind is “cowardly”. Whenever I want to say something witty or want to rebuff or stand up to someone I always stop myself because I’m afraid that they’ll fight back and say something that would really hurt me. This only applies to people who are unfamiliar like acquaintances and especially co-workers (Moon in the 6th House) while I have no problem being domineering with people I know well like closest friends and especially relatives (Mars in the 4th House) I was bullied in middle school and still have resentment for it. Now I’m just near the end of my high school education and off to university. Whenever I sense that a fellow student is brave and outgoing (and they usually end up being d*ckheads about it) I can’t stand up to them. Even though I’m capable of sassing them out I feel like they have some kind of power over me.

3. Sun (3°)/Moon (5°)/Venus (2°) square Midheaven
Basically I feel that nothing I do for a living will bring me joy and happiness. I feel like I’ll be forced to work something that makes me miserable or tire me endlessly. I want to work something I enjoy but all the things I enjoy don’t seem to be very profitable. My worst nightmare is being stuck at a dead-end desk job I hate where I’m not doing anything valuable and I’m not being appreciated.

Mercury in Libra 6th House
Uranus, Neptune in Capricorn 9th House
Sun, Moon, Venus in Scorpio 6th House
Mars in Leo 4th House
MC in Aquarius

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posted April 29, 2013 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Bearee     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think it's a combination of my moon opposite saturn & venus opposite uranus

I have difficulties expressing my emotions.. when i like someone a lot, i don't really show it. I'm afraid they don't like me back, so this way I'll be safe. Also, I don't trust guys that easily. So it takes a long time before I really fall in love. But when I fall, I fall deep..

The venus opposite uranus makes me scared of commitment i think.. i'm not sure though. I don't like the feeling that the other person has some expectations of me and will get angry or feel sad when I don't meet those expectations.
Also when someone gives me too much attention (even though i'm in love with them) i tend to avoid them for a short period of time, like 2 days or so.
This also happens when I've had an intens conversation with someone I reallyyyyy like. After that, it's like i'm emotionally exhausted, so I don't talk to them for 2 days or so.

Ughh

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posted April 29, 2013 11:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Chiron conjunct ASC? My late father described me as going through life with a permanent chip on my shoulder.

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posted April 29, 2013 11:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
Chiron conjunct ASC? My late father described me as going through life with a permanent chip on my shoulder.



This one is very hard. It is NOT your fault. You were bullied badly and it was a terrible hardship to deal with. You are a true winner who has made a great deal out of your life. I have the utmost respect for you, Ian

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posted April 29, 2013 11:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by CAY_512:
That is a good question but I don't know when it came around. I have read this on some websites but I don't know if this is observational on the astrologers part or not.

It is a weird thing for me. I really don't value our whole system. All the material things that friends and family value and want in their life; I see as useless and unimportant. I never worry about security (because if things got bad, we have lots of family who would help us) and all I want in life is family, friends, healthy food and a happy life.



I am the same way about the material world. I don't need a designer care, designer clothes etc. I don't need name brands like some people do but my self esteem took a really bad hit from abuse by my mother, as most of you know if you have read my posts. Maybe, the 2nd house is self esteem. Thanks so much. That helps me learn and use something new! xx

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moon opposite uranus = so hard. i'm always torn between wanting relationships/togetherness and then wanting to be free and independent. and i cannot decide which one i want more. i end up hating my relationships after the 'honeymoon' period is over and i go look for new excitement (uranus) to make myself feel happy again - in the form of cheating, adventure activities, etc. - it takes various forms at times. i want out of the very thing (love) i wanted for so long because i feel burdened by the demands and closeness. it's like once my moon is satisfied and happy then uranus wants to mess it all up and i cannot stop it no matter how i try. it's a moon cap and uranus cancer, which makes it all worse i think. i can make it about 1.5 to 2 years maximum before i feel very unhappy and need to 'shake things up' - it can be very destructive to my love life/family life/work life. going 1.5 to 2 years without destroying my life is a major improvement, these upheavels used to come much faster, like 8 months to 1 year, so I've learned to manage things slightly better. i know i can never be married or have a family ... i would feel like they demand all of my time and energy. i would say this placement is a selfish one - you want what you want when you want it and everything else can be tossed aside. it's not pretty!

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posted April 29, 2013 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for KarkaQueen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Uranus square Nadir and Moon

I have some major moodswings man..

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posted April 29, 2013 01:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for 4lifephrases     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

WOW You are a warrior in your home. Interesting. Is that how you would sum it up? If so, I have really learned something here!



Warrior at home does sound fancy !
Well I personally hate having fights with family members but that's how it feels most time. I do not think it is great to be warrior at home. I spent my childhood seeing lots of fights and I was there as a peacemaker as I have Venus in Libra.

I am trying really hard to ignore what goes on and to take it lightly or let's just say I am learning how to pick right battles.

I used to read this entrepreneurial stuff well if your family and friends might be biased and if they like your idea that isn't enough. In my case, whole world would agree with my ideas and I would be so hurt knowing that you do not have people who should love you do not support. It is worse when you know that strangers would respect you but your own family wouldn't. It seems constant struggle to win them over and get some respect. It is like I have to prove first to strangers and then family would follow.

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posted April 29, 2013 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Uranus square Nadir and Moon

I have some major moodswings man..



What is Nadir? IC?

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posted April 29, 2013 06:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LionFish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was going to say my Chiron/Saturn opposition, but after reading through many different interpretations/personal experiences, I think that this aspect actively played itself out while I was a child/teenager. I was openly rebellious towards any adult that I didn't "see fit" to be lording over me. Be it my parents, teachers, friends' parents... It made for a much more difficult childhood than I ever had to have and has delayed what I consider my own success. I had no reason to rebel against anything, but gosh I wanted to lol

Currently I would say that my Neptune square Sun/Mercury mixed with Mars/Uranus square Sun/Mercury is the most difficult part of my chart. I have ADHD and totally understand peach's post. It was almost like I was reading about myself in spots :/ especially this part:

quote:
i would still do exceptional in my classes. it's easy to hyperfocus on things you are good at and extremely hard to concentrate on things that don't interest you. i would still get high marks in advanced classes in math - because it was like a game to me - but barely ever complete assignments in other classes. i mostly got through those courses by my teachers just liking me probably.

I was actually suspended from school "until I was placed on medication" at one point :/. I was a horrible distraction for other students at that point though (8 or 9 years old) and I would literally run around the classroom, or go from desk to desk trying to help other students if I was bored.

Unlike my Saturn/Chiron opposition, I still feel this in my life on a daily basis. Like it's a part of myself/psyche that I can't just overcome..or like peach said, will away. It's very frustrating to know something about yourself and still feel like you have no control over it..

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posted April 30, 2013 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ami Anne     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It will take m time to study your responses so please bear with me. Thank you to everyone who responded! xx

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The hardest part of my chart would have to be Mars square Saturn. To me, this aspect is just a never ending feeling of anger and frustration. I feel angry that I often-times lack motivation, physical energy, and I can't express myself properly. It feels awkward to just let loose; to scream out loud, and I have a lot of built up anger that I don't know what to do with. I try to exercise to get rid of some of this energy, but that only helps but so much. Even when I speak, sometimes it's pretty obvious that I feel a sort of strain in my self-expression. I come off as monotonous, scared, nervous and attitudinal. Mom always tells me I have a bad attitude, which I do. I'm very easily annoyed. This aspect unfortunately reminds me of how adults during my childhood would pretty much steam-roll over any of my attempts to be independent, opinionated or creative. Usually it was my mom stopping me in my tracks by guilt tripping me, deconstructive criticism, and getting physical with me if I defied her. When Mars acts out, it is made to fell guilty by Saturn. -___________-

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posted April 30, 2013 12:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

This one is very hard. It is NOT your fault. You were bullied badly and it was a terrible hardship to deal with. You are a true winner who has made a great deal out of your life. I have the utmost respect for you, Ian


Thank you, Ami. However, I'm not without my own problems, struggles and sacrifices. A lot of people only see the superficial exterior of career success and think I am portraying an image of "perfection." No, I'm not. Far from it. So I try to be self-effacing, but I will not stoop to degrading myself. Yes, I have large self-confidence, in that is attached an ego. However, I'm able to bring myself down to humble denominators given religious convictions. The thing is... I don't understand how you can relate to me and see the value in me while ... I would say 90% of this LL forum cannot do so.

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posted April 30, 2013 12:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for virgolotus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Venus sq Neptune
feels really deceiving and like a let down.
I feel like every little fling is actually something really BIG and meaningful

when it's not.. lol

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