posted May 09, 2013 02:52 AM            

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Originally posted by meyray:
Are you sure this is the one? Because in this one the ASC is in Capricorn not Virgo and that changes all the house positions.

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posted May 09, 2013 03:10 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I think your sun likes my 7th house leo Jupiter haha.

I did that to him once and he fired back by perved at some girls’ backsides and he was like “Heavenly father, pls give my woman a fat a**”. I was like yeah, if mine were any bigger your little penny wouldn’t have been able to get between the crack. Hehe this little game has been going on between us for like forever.

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Hehe

posted May 09, 2013 03:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Hehe

What's his sun sign?

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posted May 09, 2013 03:56 AM            

Capricorn Sun with Virgo Ascendant – This strikes me as a very prudent combination. You make a very “professional” impression but lucky not a somber one. When people meet you they may view you as hard-working and executive but in a pleasant and feminine way. (In my mind Virgo and Capricorn are the same type of person only Virgo is a woman and Capricorn is a man) Only when they get to know you, people might find out that you’re not as as flexible and people-pleasing as they first thought.

Also Sun is in the 4th House which means that your true self shines brightest in places and with people you consider “home”. This might make you more dominant with loved ones and family than with acquaintances, co-workers etc.

The Sun/Mercury/Neptune/Uranus 4th House stellium speaks for a somewhat turbulent personal life. You may bud antlers with your family and with your partners. Mainly for a chance of being heard. Being misunderstood, fooled or having your opinion negated is not uncommon. Another way of interpreting this is that you might be a bit demanding and off the wall with your attitude and communication towards them.

However the Moon/Venus/Mars trine I suspect always gets you out of fights or at least make you appear as the victim. Venus is exalted in Pisces but Mars is in fall in Cancer. Meaning the Venus energy and the Cancer energy suffocate Mars with a “oh woe is me” kind of attitude. Others may easily sympathize with you and think you’re too sweet to be aggressive or be deserving of scorn. However Mars and Moon aren’t always happy with this. Mars in the 10th and Moon in Scorpio fiercely want to be respected and be seen as powerful and competent not as cute and lovable (in a condescending way).

If I’m wrong about these things I’ll try to make up for it with my interpretation of Venus in 6th (here I have experience). The positive side of this is that it makes you a very attentive lover. You feel good doing little tasks for your SO and you feel most loved when you’re appreciated for them. The down side is that this position signifies inequality which I strongly suspect is heightened being in the sign of Pisces. You may feel inferior to your partner and feel as though he’s taking more than he’s giving. However when he gives you may feel that you’re being unfair and you’re taking too much. This may be a shot in the dark but here it goes – I think this kind of Venus makes a woman interested in feminism. Capricorn hates being inferior and oppressed so he (or in this case she) will work with Venus along with Moon and Mars and make clear stance about her role – whether or not this will work out in an antagonizing or rational way I don’t know. Considering the trines I would say anger won’t be involved but Neptune and Uranus may rain or your parade.

posted May 09, 2013 04:07 AM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
That's the thing because I hate being ridiculed I hate to do so to others cuz I know what that feels like.
But I believe he deserves it this time because Ive told him more than once that I don't like it.[/B]

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And he should listen, if he genuinely cared enough to understand that it hurts you when he does it. He would stop doing it.

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
He could be “training” you to see that being clumsy and forgetful isn’t something to get all worked up about. Or it could be that he is really a rather cruel person.
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Why does she need training? Her boyfriend, someone who is supposed to love and care about her made a remark, found out it really upset her, and carried on anyway. Imo there is only one person who needs "training" in this situation.

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Originally posted by Odette:
Why?

I mean why would you hate doing this to someone who is doing it to you?

I could understand you not wanting to ridicule *other* people... but him? *shrug*

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There is this funny thing, called empathy, compassion. It's pretty cool, you should check it out. It means you don't have to act like a machine all the time and can actually have feelings.

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
@goatcat,

I bet your boyfriend just loves rocking your boat.[B]He is enjoying himself at your expense. [/B]

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Is this normal? Is this what women think is normal? I don't think it is, I wouldn't want to be with someone who enjoyed themselves at my expense.

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Rolling your eyes? Is that your best revenge??? C'mon! You gotta make the guy sweat and beg forgiveness!

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That is a super mature way to go about making your feelings understood. And people wonder why everyone always talks about relationships being a game and always having to have an upper hand, be in control.

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Originally posted by goatcat:
Under all that Arian bullshi he's a sensitive baby! He has a 12 house moon! If I act like I don't care while he's raving about his favorite superhero or about a song he just made he won't wanna be my friend lol

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It is not okay for him to treat you poorly and then act like a spoilt baby who chucks his toys out of the pram when he doesn't get what he wants.

Different people have different requirements in relationships and life. Some people enjoy a joke about these sorts of things, there is an understanding that it doesn't cause any real hurt and that is fine and works for them. In the other cases where, one party does get genuinely hurt by something, it is not okay to brush it over, ignore it as if it was nothing or not important. Relationships, depending on the stage, should be a place where you can be yourself, be honest and be accepted for speaking your heart and mind. To have the person you decided to share that with ridicule you about it, or ignore it. That smacks of immaturity, incongruity, and just general carelessness about your feelings.

Maybe women feel like they have to get even or one up on men, or not be seen to be being upset because they think men will think less of them. I don't know. Maybe they want a man to tease or be 'mean/cruel' to them because that is what makes him a real man or attractive, not a doormat. Maybe women don't actually want their way any of the time, they'd rather fight and or argue or discuss something only for the man to do whatever so they can think, "I can still persuade him" or "I love how he just does whatever he wants without giving a **** about others".

Maybe I'm just a hyper emotional man, who is too sensitive, empathetic and caring for his own good. I don't want to say that the majority of men would think that not caring about hurting their partner is an alright thing to do. But neither do I think those men are in a massive minority either.

Bottom line for me is; No it is not okay for him to treat you badly and then laugh when you tell him it hurts you. To me it seems like he doesn't care. Considering you listened to him when rolling your eyes upset him, and have stopped doing it because you care.

Obviously I don't know either of you, your relationship, or your situation. But if I was in something similar, I would be questioning why I am with someone who apparently doesn't care when they hurt my feelings, and does it deliberately, knowing it will upset and or hurt me.

*Shrug*

- Chris

posted May 09, 2013 04:44 AM            

I didn't mean to take anything out of context, nor did I mean to imply in any way that you thought she needed training.

I meant it more as a general statement that women in general are more likely to be considerate of and do something for someone else. Such as not rolling your eyes cause you know it upsets them.
Whereas men value their individuality so much they sometimes couldn't give a **** about others, and see it as a challenge and limitation, rather than a compassionate consideration.

Guys tease/joke take the **** , and otherwise fight with their friends all the time. It is a form of Male bonding. For the majority of Women, I imagine it would be unthinkable to be able to be that "mean" to one of their friends and still expect to be friends.
I've been out before, seen two strangers meet, have a punch up and then become friends for the rest of the night. Again for Women this is probably unthinkable.

I feel women are more co-operative, whereas Men are more, whatever the antonym is =/ my brain fails me.

=)

posted May 09, 2013 05:18 AM            

Not everyone has the same comprehension of what's normal or not normal in a relationship. I don't know what women in general think is normal or not,I know what are the things that I will accept in a relationship, and what are the things that I will not tolerate.Making fun at someone's expense is wrong,it can become mean if the person keeps doing it despite the fact that he knows it's hurting to do so.
Since I don't know how deep,and loving goatcat's relationship with her boyfriend is,I can't assume that he is being purposely mean to her, which TBH I didn't get the feeling he was actually being mean, I can't possibly tell her to leave the guy because he made fun of her infront of her colleagues.Relationships are complex,every person who is into one will have to know what are the things they accept,and what are the things that they say no to.This I have found to differ from couple to couple.If my guy makes fun of me,definitely will make him regret having done it,he can tease me all he wants in private but not in front of others.While my friend doesn't mind at all when her boyfriend teases her,she will be all over him with some good repartees of her own like Muddy.It would be like watching a tennis match.They seem to genuinely enjoy it.They are one of the strongest couple I know of.

posted May 09, 2013 05:51 AM            

Again, like I’ve mentioned before, I didn’t know her situation, only that “to me” it feels like a harmless joke. Of course I did state my opinion about perhaps her boyfriend could be just cruel/insensitive when he continued to laugh...

The things I said in here about my husband and I, are just my fond memories. In our situation, yes we joke around like that a lot. To us, that's the way he invites me to play, and I always gladly accept lol.

Thanks for clarifying your post. Lol I explained just in case anyone thought I was implying that she needed training.

And thank you for explaining what you meant about that part that I didn’t get. I’ve never thought much about the differences between male bonding and female bonding. A lot of women I know make jokes and tease each other and they don’t take it personally either. Maybe like you said, the majority of women don’t act that way.

posted May 09, 2013 08:41 AM            

But if a teasing comment has any kind of edge to it, I just turn cold and, like you goatcat, I usually talk to the person privately, later.

posted May 09, 2013 09:26 AM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
When I'm not being taken serious on a matter that I feel is important I feel so inferior. Does it have to do with control?

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Well, every signs has its own achilles heel.
A Gemini would be mortified if someone told them they were not clever or intellectual enough and has limited knowledge about things.
A Leo would be super offended if you told them they were a freewheeling simpleton...Virgo would be offended if told that they were stupid and useless, and so on...
Capricorns pride themselves on being extremely reliabile and dependable, so if someone tells them they can't be counted on, I suppose that's the ultimate offence one can hurle at them, yes.

posted May 09, 2013 10:02 AM            

Yes and No. Some do not mind and really good goof balls.

Just to get over the whole insecurity, accept it that you are clumsy with things. Make peace with it. There is nothing wrong in knowing your own Saturn limitations but do not give such a powerful meaning to it. That you can't take care of others.Quiet to contrary. You already know you can take care of people. Who cares about things anyway ?
Do not believe in it and define you.

In the meantime appreciate when you do not drop things, have keys and stuff like that.

posted May 09, 2013 10:23 AM            

Mocking someone about something you know they're insecure about and to laugh it off, too. Wow. What a horrible move. Maybe he's a lot tougher emotionally, but that doesn't give him the right to decide that other people should be the same. Even if he's doing the training that Muddy mentioned, he should be doing this for Goatcat. It'd be another thing if he talked to her about this first and said why it's important to stick up for herself. But to do this without saying anything, expecting her to get it and just... assuming he knows best for her. Nope. That does not go down with me. If you're open for some empowerment training, that's great and all power to you. But it should be your choice, not his. You get to decide how far he takes it, it's personal.

This may be me having mostly earth and water in my chart. I'm just shocked that this guy doesn't even seem to get a pause when someone flat-out tells him it bothers her that he puts her down in front of others, rolls her eyes at him (very clear sign!) and all. Maybe he's very light-hearted and good at letting such things roll off his back. Good for him. But if you're in a relationship with someone who is very different from you, you can expect them to react to things very differently as well.

I'd say ignore him for a while. No reasons, no need to say sorry, just focus on what you want to do and keep this up for a while. Maybe then he'll finally get the message. Would that be easier or the suggested giving it back to him?

posted May 09, 2013 10:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Swift Freeze:
Whereas men value their individuality so much they sometimes couldn't give a **** about others, and see it as a challenge and limitation, rather than a compassionate consideration.

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posted May 09, 2013 11:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Well, every signs has its own achilles heel.
Capricorns pride themselves on being extremely reliabile and dependable, so if someone tells them they can't be counted on, I suppose that's the ultimate offence one can hurle at them, yes.

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posted May 09, 2013 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
I was thinking of telling my boyfriend that he can still joke around with me but I would appreciate if he also emphasized on what I do do right instead of always being the first to say something when I mess up.

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posted May 09, 2013 11:45 AM            

because, im seeing a pattern already and, i think that although astrology is great in order
to understand yourself, and ways to improve your relationship...
most of your posts are about how your boyfriend offended you or, you felt offended by him...
and, how you dont understand his libra moon or, he doesnt get your scorpio moon
it is the same old song of you not being satisfied in this relationship... no matter the different circumstances reflected in your op....
i wonder how long it will be until the glass cracks
with that scorpio moon and mars in cancer though, i dont think you'll be able to let things go at all...
i have no ill intention, by the way.

posted May 09, 2013 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I just realized that I would be more offended if you tell me am not reliable and dependable than if you tell me am a simpleton!If someone tells me am a simpleton I won't care much about their opinion of me,although it would offend me,but if am told that am not reliable/dependable that would be a real kick to my integrity,to ME,to who I am as a person. Gosh I guess am more cappy than I thought.

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How much Saturn or Capricorn you have in your chart?

posted May 09, 2013 01:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
How much Saturn or Capricorn you have in your chart?

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Cap ASC

posted May 09, 2013 01:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Cap ASC

Saturn,Sun,Mercury,Venus in Leo.Saturn conjunct sun,mercury and venus,Saturn opp ASC,saturn sq uranus,sextile pluto,trine neptune.Saturn sq NN,and Chiron.

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WOW...that explains it

posted May 09, 2013 04:07 PM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
you continue having issues with your boyfriend it seems...

because, im seeing a pattern already and, i think that although astrology is great in order
to understand yourself, and ways to improve your relationship...
most of your posts are about how your boyfriend offended you or, you felt offended by him...
and, how you dont understand his libra moon or, he doesnt get your scorpio moon
it is the same old song of you not being satisfied in this relationship... no matter the different circumstances reflected in your op....
i wonder how long it will be until the glass cracks
with that scorpio moon and mars in cancer though, i dont think you'll be able to let things go at all...
i have no ill intention, by the way.

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posted May 09, 2013 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by goatcat:
I was waiting for someone to say this.
But what do you do when everything else in the relationship is fine? I would feel ****** if we broke up because "I can't take a joke" you know?

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except that your complaints about him go beyond the fact you cant take a joke.
you're still downplaying things and finding justifications...and that's ok...regardless...
what is meant to happen will happen