posted June 18, 2013 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by 12thhouser:
It also depends on how a person defines "pure love." Some feel love with a sense of nostalgia, others with a sense of longing, not a sacrifice that will corrode who you are, believing by doing so it qualifies as a sacrifice.
Venus in Pisces here.

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You are an Aqua with Venus in Pisces. Where is your Moon and Mars? Any Venus/Moon or Venus/Pluto aspect? What kind of women attracts you and how do you act when you start falling for someone?
there is someone around me with the same Sun and Venus like yourself and i'm vurious. Do you fall for Piscean girls?

posted June 18, 2013 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by geea:
actually it does. It exists in the world, you just have to experience the world more.
unconditional love: starting with the love of a mom for her child.
And then venus in 12th can love like this. I think 12th housers know what i mean.
In bad relationships its like this: ”i cannot live with you but i still will love you.” And its not even sexual, it means wanting other person the best in their life. Truly :P

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And there's also this idea by giving something up you get so much more love in return and that often happens with 12th house or Venus in Pisces. It's just a matter of faith and Fate.

posted June 18, 2013 10:33 AM            

He's really far from me and we barely talk, but my feelings just stay the same..

posted June 18, 2013 10:43 AM            

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Originally posted by MillyX:
Venus Pisces or Venus/Neptune. It's all about unconditional love for Pisces & they are also have a forgiving & accepting heart. Romantic too.

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Do you equate unconditional love with a forgiving heart?

In this world we are living, a forgiving heart is easily taken for a cheap door mat.

posted June 18, 2013 10:47 AM            

Unconditional love between a woman and a man?

posted June 18, 2013 10:59 AM            

Because I feel my venus expresses love more in a neptunian way than a leonine way.

posted June 18, 2013 11:27 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Love for God? That could be thought of as love in it's purest sense, too. It might not be what Aqua had in mind while typing the topic, more love between people.

Someone who gives themselves to God so to speak. Not a hypocrite, someone who truly does it - lives what they say and says what they do.

This is another dimension of Venus in Pisces. Love of the spirit and God and willing to give up something because of this love, so they become members of the clergy and whatnot. Doesn't mean all of them actually have Venus in Pisces though. It's the ideal Venus in Pisces, like what Plato would see in that perfect world.

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In this form (as humans) we can't experience the purest form of love - only God can do that as He's 100% Positive energy. We can and we will - when we go back to the source (to God... to the light/heaven - whatever you like to call it), if we gain enough (multiply) positive energy in our existences (plural)... Old souls who are close to their expansion limit - can feel the purest form one could achieve as human. When one reaches that point "he/she gets the calling" and might become a hermit, a solitary priest, a spiritual guru... someone who takes very little from this world (survival limit) and gives more than thousands would in their entire life. Most of those - are physically ill - as the body also needs negative energy to function in stable conditions - and those, exhibit very little of that (survival levels) - which makes them even anomalies to some extent (what one would call a saint). It's not about the age, dedicating one's life depends on how much positive energy one would need to reach its peak - some souls need less, something they can achieve as children... they usually develop (at very early age) or get born with some kind of illness (like cancer, heart diseases) - which also helps in terms of empathy, helps them reach to people hearts whit very little effort... and when the times comes - even those around them become aware that their son's soul is going back to God (even if they were atheist for most part of their life). They get a sense of peace - it's not like other parents would feel when loosing a child (even to illness - as not all who are born with some kind of illness are old souls on their last path trough the physical realm).

...a last detail: Old souls on their final journey - can't/won't have any sexual experience and can't have children. They lack any interest from this point of view - one act implies a high level of negative energy, while the other implies continuity (under this existence...).

...apart from that - there's also "agape" - which is the highest form of love most people can feel for another (unconditional - as one would put it). But, for that to be possible... there's one requirement - "such as a soul connection..." and the strongest - would be with a Soulmate - which can be maintained for longer periods of times (usually fluctuating) - but there's also a soul connection that can be achieved among groups of people (or should i say - soul connections...) yet - this type of connection - is group dependent, as - it needs the presence of the group to manifest at stable levels... otherwise it's hard to maintain.

posted June 18, 2013 01:38 PM            

Unconditional love exists It is an absolute enveloping power, much bigger than human motivations and normal human feelings. It just claims you and there you go it's like being held by God

posted June 18, 2013 01:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Doux Rêve:
I'm so cappy

"unconditional love" is such an unhealthy concept.

It's great to be able to love, but ultimately we all have an ego and if you don't wanna end up full of resentment, do yourself a favour and love yourself as much as you love someone else.

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Unconditional love means to love without conditions.. You will love the person even if they do not come up to your standards/image...or if they let you down...etc. No matter what they do, your love for them will not change....This is very difficult in today's world unless its a parent-child relationship or something like that.....

It has nothing to do with exploiting yourself, futile self-sacrificing or becoming a door-mat, etc. To be able to love someone unconditionally, in the truest sense of the word, one must have mastered the art of loving himself, first.Thats when ego goes out of the equation...He stops TOLERATING people, and starts ACCEPTING people as they are...And that gives rise to Unconditional love.

Hence, this is far from being an unhealthy concept...it is healing, rather.

My two cents

posted June 18, 2013 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
Unconditional love means to love without conditions.. You will love the person even if they do not come up to your standards/image...or if they let you down...etc. No matter what they do, your love for them will not change....This is very difficult in today's world unless its a parent-child relationship or something like that.....

It has nothing to do with exploiting yourself, futile self-sacrificing or becoming a door-mat, etc. To be able to love someone unconditionally, in the truest sense of the word, one must have mastered the art of loving himself, first.Thats when ego goes out of the equation...He stops TOLERATING people, and starts ACCEPTING people as they are...And that gives rise to Unconditional love.

Hence, this is far from being an unhealthy concept...it is healing, rather.

My two cents

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Exactly what I was thinking about!

Every opinion in this thread is so interesting, I will come back tomorrow cause right now im standing for my exams tomorrow

posted June 18, 2013 06:52 PM            

Sort of like how when librans receive love and admiration from others it's like a purpose.

If anything I feel saturnian/mercurial love would be more realistic and closer to the purest form of romantic love.
They don't confuse love with lust/ ego/loneliness.

Also I would imagine lunar love would be quite pure.
Probably the most purest.
The love of a mother is the most purest form of love anyone can ever receive.
It's terribly sad when someone is not able to receive the love of a mother.
It also likely to mess them up.

posted June 19, 2013 01:27 AM            

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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
In this form (as humans) we can't experience the purest form of love - only God can do that as He's 100% Positive energy. We can and we will - when we go back to the source (to God... to the light/heaven - whatever you like to call it), if we gain enough (multiply) positive energy in our existences (plural)... Old souls who are close to their expansion limit - can feel the purest form one could achieve as human. When one reaches that point "he/she gets the calling" and might become a hermit, a solitary priest, a spiritual guru... someone who takes very little from this world (survival limit) and gives more than thousands would in their entire life. Most of those - are physically ill - as the body also needs negative energy to function in stable conditions - and those, exhibit very little of that (survival levels) - which makes them even anomalies to some extent (what one would call a saint). It's not about the age, dedicating one's life depends on how much positive energy one would need to reach its peak - some souls need less, something they can achieve as children... they usually develop (at very early age) or get born with some kind of illness (like cancer, heart diseases) - which also helps in terms of empathy, helps them reach to people hearts whit very little effort... and when the times comes - even those around them become aware that their son's soul is going back to God (even if they were atheist for most part of their life). They get a sense of peace - it's not like other parents would feel when loosing a child (even to illness - as not all who are born with some kind of illness are old souls on their last path trough the physical realm).

...a last detail: Old souls on their final journey - can't/won't have any sexual experience and can't have children. They lack any interest from this point of view - one act implies a high level of negative energy, while the other implies continuity (under this existence...).

...apart from that - there's also "agape" - which is the highest form of love most people can feel for another (unconditional - as one would put it). But, for that to be possible... there's one requirement - "such as a soul connection..." and the strongest - would be with a Soulmate - which can be maintained for longer periods of times (usually fluctuating) - but there's also a soul connection that can be achieved among groups of people (or should i say - soul connections...) yet - this type of connection - is group dependent, as - it needs the presence of the group to manifest at stable levels... otherwise it's hard to maintain.

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posted June 19, 2013 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Exactly what I was thinking about!

Every opinion in this thread is so interesting, I will come back tomorrow cause right now im standing for my exams tomorrow

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Thanks for creating such a wonderful thread

posted June 19, 2013 03:55 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I think unconditional love can exist between a mother and her children,for people who GENUINELY and HONESTLY want to dedicate their lives to God.

Unconditional love between a woman and a man?

No, I don't see it.

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I agree with this.

When I said that unconditional love is unhealthy, obviously I meant when people let themselves be walked all over: "because I love them so much". Ummm.

This is probably a Venus/Saturn thing but I have a realistic approach to relationships (on Earth, at least) especially romantic ones.
I've never seen a couple that would love each other unconditionally (without getting delusional or hurt in the process..).

posted June 19, 2013 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
Unconditional love means to love without conditions.. You will love the person even if they do not come up to your standards/image...or if they let you down...etc. No matter what they do, your love for them will not change....This is very difficult in today's world unless its a parent-child relationship or something like that.....

It has nothing to do with exploiting yourself, futile self-sacrificing or becoming a door-mat, etc. To be able to love someone unconditionally, in the truest sense of the word, one must have mastered the art of loving himself, first.Thats when ego goes out of the equation...He stops TOLERATING people, and starts ACCEPTING people as they are...And that gives rise to Unconditional love.

Hence, this is far from being an unhealthy concept...it is healing, rather.

My two cents

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YES...THIS!! Totally agree! I've experienced this.

I was totally in love and dedicated to a person through mental illness and suicide attempts. We ultimately broke up because he didn't feel the same towards me after a while and because he lost interest in EVERYTHING, that included me. But he knows my love was genuine... I'm sure he knows deep down I still do love him as a human being. He is only one of two romantic partners that have ever affected me that way (and I'm mid 30s). It's been more than 2 years since I've even seen his face but I'd drop just about everything if he ever needed a friend. That's all we are now & that's fine.

I never felt used or like a door mat at all. I treated his mental illness just like I would treat a partner with diabetes or any other chronic health issue. Why would I leave him for something he needed help with?

I feel the same about my current partner. Even if he has bad times, I'm here. Unless he abuses me, I plan on staying with this man until one of us passes on to the next realm. And the sad thing is that I love him so dearly that I have considered how I might feel when he's gone (because he's older) and I wept... I actually cried thinking about being an old woman without him. He's my best friend.

posted June 19, 2013 04:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
''Ego thinks only of oneself;Love is always considerate,ego is absolutely inconsiderate. Ego has only one language and that is of self''

That's why I think a dog is the best creature God created.They are not prisoners of the ego. When I look into my doggie's eyes I can SEE love in its purest form.

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you should talk to my brother who is a neuroscientist and knows everything on animal physiology/brain activity, he'd tell you stuff re: cats and dogs etc.

posted June 19, 2013 05:17 AM            

Of course, I think ego is a prison. Basically, we are different from other animals in that we have developed an ego that processes everything in terms of itself. I read that somewhere, can't remember who said it though.

Whenever you feel that someone is inferior to you OR you feel superior to another person, that's not YOU talking, that's your ego talkin.I think our mind is a pack of horses that are galloping full speed. Either you are master of these horses or you let THEM guide you and that's when people define who they are by their ego.

Then what happens if you strip away their ego? What happens when they feel that someone has done an unforgivable thing as hurt their ego? How do these people react? I've noticed 99% people are not ready to loosen their ego one bit,people will rather bring their ego up a notch rather than listen to their hearts, because the ego has become the best comfortable mask they can hide behind and best of all they have assured themselves that they will not get hurt, they can hide behind this mask for a life time thinking they will never get hurt.