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Topic: Who can experience love feelings in their PUREST form?
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its_aqua
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From: Mars
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posted June 18, 2013 06:49 AM
  
Okay which aspects/placements in a natal make a person experience love feelings in their purest and ideal way?? I'll explain it a bit more, I have natally Venus square Pluto, so love comes together with mind games, trying to be in control etc The moment I go crazy about someone, Pluto is there to remind me that being in power and control and appearing tough to the other person. So my feelings are never "pure" if you get what I mean, and I think people with venus/pluto will agree on that.
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Venus that sacrifices for love is supposed to be the purest form of expression. Giving up is supposed to equate to true love for another. Unconditional love is the type that expects nothing in return.
So which placements make for yhe opposite as described perfectly above from Straight Smile ?I was thinking about Venus in Pisces and Venus well aspected to Neptune maybe?!?
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted June 18, 2013 06:55 AM
Yep maybe. Venus that sacrifices for love is supposed to be the purest form of expression. Giving up is supposed to equate to true love for another. Unconditional love is the type that expects nothing in return. These are the ideals of Neptune and Pisces.IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted June 18, 2013 07:00 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Yep maybe. Venus that sacrifices for love is supposed to be the purest form of expression. Giving up is supposed to equate to true love for another. Unconditional love is the type that expects nothing in return. These are the ideals of Neptune and Pisces.
Yeah that is exactly what I meant I will quote your post and include it in the first post because you expressed perfectly what I meant. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 18, 2013 07:04 AM
Definitely think it's a Neptune thing.
In synastry the trine makes you forgive the other person even if they've treated you badly.. Not sure about other aspects.Natally Venus in Pisces or in aspect to Neptune, unless there's some Pluto or another affliction, then they are more conditional about their love. IP: Logged |
Jessica2407
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posted June 18, 2013 07:06 AM
I can do it if I have to.I can sacrifice my career for someone I truly love without hesitation. If it comes to that I mean. But I would make sure that the person loves me, I am not sure it's love in its purest form. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 18, 2013 07:12 AM
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Yeah that is exactly what I meant I will quote your post and include it in the first post because you expressed perfectly what I meant.
That's nice, thanks. I admire people who can express Venus in truest form. It's not easy to do. These are people who are pretty much selfless. They will give up what means the most to them so others will experience some form of contentment. IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted June 18, 2013 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
I can do it if I have to.I can sacrifice my career for someone I truly love without hesitation. If it comes to that I mean. But I would make sure that the person loves me, I am not sure it's love in its purest form.
Actually Jess I was thinking of it when you arent sure at all that the other person feels like that, nevertheless you show all your love.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 18, 2013 07:27 AM
That would be kinda risky though because you don't want to scare the person off if they don't feel the same way. I would feel more comfortable if I knew the person would welcome it.IP: Logged |
its_aqua
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posted June 18, 2013 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
That's nice, thanks. I admire people who can express Venus in truest form. It's not easy to do. These are people who are pretty much selfless. They will give up what means the most to them so others will experience some form of contentment.
Yeah I admire that too, cause Im too selfish to do that, and too proud and im always afraid I will get hurt so that pretty much sucks!And even if in the end the person I want comes back, in case they have hurt me before, even though I just want to be with them, Ill do sth to hurt them as much they hurt me 
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Jessica2407
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posted June 18, 2013 07:34 AM
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Actually Jess I was thinking of it when you arent sure at all that the other person feels like that, nevertheless you show all your love.
No one would willingly ''burn themselves'' I have venus trine neptune exact. What's very painful for venus/neptune is when they come to the realization that the other person doesn't love them as they do. It's the most difficult 'betrayal' for venus/neptune,because these people believe in a perfect love. IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted June 18, 2013 07:38 AM
My husband and I once had a conversation about sacrifice. He said that he would not give up his life even for me. I would. But knowing that he wouldn't do the same to me didn't make me sad. I know he loves me, just in his own way. I told him that if he were to betray my trust I would leave him. But at any time when he needs me I'll be there. In the end my love is still conditional. I don't know anyone who can be selfless in love. There is always some degree of expectancy or hope that their loved ones will love them back. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted June 18, 2013 08:13 AM
I don't think unconditional love exists in this world and I think that's even good, at least when it comes to romantic relationships. I don't feel like loving an ultimate bas**rd.------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
Doux Rêve
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posted June 18, 2013 08:17 AM
I'm so cappy  "unconditional love" is such an unhealthy concept. It's great to be able to love, but ultimately we all have an ego and if you don't wanna end up full of resentment, do yourself a favour and love yourself as much as you love someone else.
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7thGuardian
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posted June 18, 2013 08:30 AM
G O D!^^ IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted June 18, 2013 08:35 AM
Love for God? That could be thought of as love in it's purest sense, too. It might not be what Aqua had in mind while typing the topic, more love between people. Someone who gives themselves to God so to speak. Not a hypocrite, someone who truly does it - lives what they say and says what they do.
This is another dimension of Venus in Pisces. Love of the spirit and God and willing to give up something because of this love, so they become members of the clergy and whatnot. Doesn't mean all of them actually have Venus in Pisces though. It's the ideal Venus in Pisces, like what Plato would see in that perfect world.
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mir
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posted June 18, 2013 08:36 AM
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No one would willingly ''burn themselves''
True. And I think ^^ is the base for love in its purest form. Well, it's easy to love someone that has a GREAT future, a lot of money, is full of ambition, simply "strong" or name it etc. but how do we look at people that never got the chance to be that "great" or people that fall back into so-called "laziness/weakness etc."? (to what extent are we (still) conditioned to believe it *IS* laziness or whatever negative trait?). I think our personal answer on that would meak or break the potention to experience love in its purest form. Or at least to a certain degree. I've btw also a Venus/Neptune trine exact  IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted June 18, 2013 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by 7thGuardian:
G O D!^^
Haha, exactly. Btw, conditonal love can be pure if hurting the other person is the last thing you want, you only want what's best for them and you're willing to make sacrifices in order to help them. ------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 18, 2013 08:43 AM
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Originally posted by mir:
True. And I think ^^ is the base for love in its purest form. Well, it's easy to love someone that has a GREAT future, a lot of money, is full of ambition, simply "strong" or name it etc. but how do we look at people that never got the chance to be that "great" or people that fall back into so-called "laziness/weakness etc."? (to what extent are we (still) conditioned to believe it *IS* laziness or whatever negative trait?). I think our personal answer on that would meak or break the potention to experience love in its purest form. Or at least to a certain degree. I've btw also a Venus/Neptune trine exact
I have a Venus Neptune trine, too. What about people who experience love in the form of helping others, seeing them improve themselves, heal, etc? You could say this is another pure form of love. There are people who really feel great being a part of the healing process. Gives them a sense that something good exists in the world, they can be a part of a greater good kind of mentality. I admire people who can access that level without feeling exhausted or overwhelmed, like first responders of all kinds. There are people who will sacrifice themselves for duty, putting their lives on the line. Another form of love, maybe, for humanity? What about the guy who will risk himself for a stranger? I once saw a video of a group of people who risked great injury just to pull an injured man from a burning motorcycle after a wreck. What could all of them possibly gain besides the knowledge they saved some poor guy?
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CatMote
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From: New Britain, CT, United States
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posted June 18, 2013 08:54 AM
venus in pisces is as close youll get to unconditional love in the traditional sense.
in the underdeveloped human, venus in pisces people like to sacrifice themselves and give too much in order to feel validation. they love to torture themselves because "if i torture myself, surely someone will love me."
i grew out of this; because i realized that people should love me simply for loving them. torturing myself didnt do anything, however, torturing yourself is a form of escape so some venus pisceans dont ever leave this mode.
i love people pretty unconditionally, you dont have to be nice to me, all you have to do is exist and be who you are.
i also have a venus trine pluto------------------
Sun Aries Moon Pisces
Mars Pisces Venus Pisces
Mercury Aries Jupiter in Virgo
Saturn in Aquarius Pluto in Scorpio
Neptune and Uranus in Capricorn
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I'm so cappy
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posted June 18, 2013 08:58 AM
You don't have to love someone to risk/sacrifice your life. What you need is kindness, compassion and courage.------------------
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted June 18, 2013 09:01 AM
^^^ This way of existing is associated with Venus in Pisces, it's the same idea of "giving yourself to mankind" like what Christ did when He died for humanity's sins. Same sort of thinking. It's considered a form of pure love. People who are willing to give themselves up for mankind experience this kind of love.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted June 18, 2013 09:11 AM
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Originally posted by its_aqua:
I was thinking about Venus in Pisces and Venus well aspected to Neptune maybe?!?
I can be very self-sacrificing; 'not sure if I would equate that with "pure love." Hmm. I'm a Rabbit with a Pisces moon and Venus conjunct Neptune...the challenge has been finding boundaries. And learning to love myself and honor my own needs even when it goes against what another person wants from me; in some situations, that's the hardest struggle I face.
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Gemmy
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posted June 18, 2013 09:14 AM
Venus retrograde can do this too.
Retro planets in general.They make you very introspective and think about life/love a whole lot.Realizing there's more to love than romantic love,is love at it's purest. IP: Logged |
12thhouser
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posted June 18, 2013 09:19 AM
It also depends on how a person defines "pure love." Some feel love with a sense of nostalgia, others with a sense of longing, etc..In terms of sacrificing for love, it seems love's energy is at its purest when it's a sacrifice you're willing to make, not a sacrifice that will corrode who you are, believing by doing so it qualifies as a sacrifice. I've seen too many people do that believing that's love. Venus in Pisces here. IP: Logged |
geea
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posted June 18, 2013 09:48 AM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
I don't think unconditional love exists in this world and I think that's even good, at least when it comes to romantic relationships. I don't feel like loving an ultimate bas**rd.
actually it does. It exists in the world, you just have to experience the world more.
unconditional love: starting with the love of a mom for her child.
And then venus in 12th can love like this. I think 12th housers know what i mean.
In bad relationships its like this: ”i cannot live with you but i still will love you.” And its not even sexual, it means wanting other person the best in their life. Truly :P IP: Logged |
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