posted June 20, 2013 04:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I can be very self-sacrificing; 'not sure if I would equate that with "pure love." Hmm.

I'm a Rabbit with a Pisces moon and Venus conjunct Neptune...the challenge has been finding boundaries. And learning to love myself and honor my own needs even when it goes against what another person wants from me; in some situations, that's the hardest struggle I face.

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Wow, that i alot of neptune..
I agree that self-sacrifise doesn´t always mean pure love. I guess it depends on why you do it. Why do YOU self-sacrifise?

I did it before until I realised that pure love doesn´t require sacrifise. That really helped me establish my personal boundries.

posted June 20, 2013 05:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:
I used to be the same way. I have venus in scorpio, so I know where you´re coming from.
I think that pluto has the power to transform your venus and give it a higher expression where you will be able to love unconditionally, but it takes alot of work and maturity.

As I always say, I don´t think astrological placements are set in stone, and especially with a sign like scorpio or the planet pluto there is potential to transform into something completely different than what you started out as.

Unconditional love is a natural feeling in all of us as babies, but it gets lost along the way as we learn that love has conditions. Pluto is especially vulnerable to this because it has sensitivity and is naturally focused on the darker aspects of human nature. Pluto will be obsessed with his and others loss of innocence/unconditional love, and if not careful, can forget its true nature and become a cynic. But being obsessive it won´t give up the search (The OP with a plutonic venus asking these kinds of existential questions is an example) until it finds the answer. It is looking for it´s lost ability to love unconditionally and won´t be satisfied untill it´s found again. And I don´t think any other placement will either, for that matter, because any other state than unconditional love means some form of (mild) suffering.

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posted June 20, 2013 05:03 AM            

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Originally posted by Bearee:
I feel unconditional love towards a person. I want him to be happy for always and If I could, I would do whatever to help him be and stay happy. =) i'm not really good at describing my feelings, but the best way is the term 'unconditional love' i guess.

He's really far from me and we barely talk, but my feelings just stay the same..

I have Venus in Cancer in the 9th House
opposite Neptune / Uranus
trine Pluto

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posted June 20, 2013 06:01 AM            

A weird thing happened to me yesterday and it happens quite often really, when I am overwhelmed by feelings of dread and distress.

After an uncomfortable phone call with my Dad about my sister, I found myself worrying a lot.

At first, it was with regards to my siblings. But then it started to progress into other issues that were "wrong" in the lives of the people I care about , and eventualy the many things that I've seen/read and heard of on TV/Radio etc.

At the end of it all, I uttered "What a horrible world it can be" and this was followed by strong negative, painful feelings to affirm that.

I didn't know what brought this on but it seems I was riding on this wave for the next 2 hours and struggled to sleep.

Then I envisioned a conversation in my head with a question that sounded like "Can you solve these problems within the next 30 minutes? If you can't, then I'd suggest that you get some sleep."

After that silent monologue, a strong feeling of warmth was felt inside my body and all round.

Not the kind of warnth that you get from wrapping yourself in a blanket but the kind that you feel when you get an unexpected, subtle suprise.

Only this "warmth" enveloped every inch of me; especially the part where my heart was situated and I ended up feeling, quite literally, that all is well(atleast for me) tonight.

I experience this quite often when I get really down on something about people killing each other in warfare or people dying unnecessarily etc. I've recently become increasingly sensitive to such vibrations and it can get me emotional quite quickly.

I don't know what to call that but ,for me, I believe that it may be the closest to "purest love" that I'll come to know. Ever.

And when it happens, there is usually no-one else around.

posted June 20, 2013 06:42 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

Sounds like an episode of Survivor

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posted June 20, 2013 06:50 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:

I mean nowdays its all about sex
Dont get me wrong, I do think sex is an eseential ingredient for a relationship, but ugh things have got so so swallow.

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i so understand...
im scorpio heavy with venus in scorpio
yes, i breathe sex but even for me, it has to be cathartic, the merging of ethereal bodies, a spiritual epiphany...
i agree that it seems that everything is so superficial
i swear, and maybe im being bizarre but, a lot of couples i know dont even seem to truly love each other, i mean, who am i to judge? but, it is like....what they have lacks depth, imo
either they are together because it is safe or, they are in love with being in a relationship

i call for going back to basics, that is what i want and i hope i meet someone like that too..................someday

posted June 20, 2013 07:24 AM            

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Originally posted by hikoro:
i so understand...
im scorpio heavy with venus in scorpio
yes, i breathe sex but even for me, it has to be cathartic, the merging of ethereal bodies, a spiritual epiphany...
i agree that it seems that everything is so superficial
i swear, and maybe im being bizarre but, a lot of couples i know dont even seem to truly love each other, i mean, who am i to judge? but, it is like....what they have lacks depth, imo
either they are together because it is safe or, they are in love with being in a relationship

i call for going back to basics, that is what i want and i hope i meet someone like that too..................someday

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posted June 20, 2013 07:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Does this "love" have to be the romantic kind?

A weird thing happened to me yesterday and it happens quite often really, when I am overwhelmed by feelings of dread and distress.

After an uncomfortable phone call with my Dad about my sister, I found myself worrying a lot.

At first, it was with regards to my siblings. But then it started to progress into other issues that were "wrong" in the lives of the people I care about , and eventualy the many things that I've seen/read and heard of on TV/Radio etc.

At the end of it all, I uttered "What a horrible world it can be" and this was followed by strong negative, painful feelings to affirm that.

I didn't know what brought this on but it seems I was riding on this wave for the next 2 hours and struggled to sleep.

Then I envisioned a conversation in my head with a question that sounded like "Can you solve these problems within the next 30 minutes? If you can't, then I'd suggest that you get some sleep."

After that silent monologue, a strong feeling of warmth was felt inside my body and all round.

Not the kind of warnth that you get from wrapping yourself in a blanket but the kind that you feel when you get an unexpected, subtle suprise.

Only this "warmth" enveloped every inch of me; especially the part where my heart was situated and I ended up feeling, quite literally, that all is well(atleast for me) tonight.

I experience this quite often when I get really down on something about people killing each other in warfare or people dying unnecessarily etc. I've recently become increasingly sensitive to such vibrations and it can get me emotional quite quickly.

I don't know what to call that but ,for me, I believe that it may be the closest to "purest love" that I'll come to know. Ever.

And when it happens, there is usually no-one else around.

My Moon is in Cancer and my Venus is in Scorpio.

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posted June 20, 2013 07:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

After that silent monologue, a strong feeling of warmth was felt inside my body and all round.

Not the kind of warnth that you get from wrapping yourself in a blanket but the kind that you feel when you get an unexpected, subtle suprise.

Only this "warmth" enveloped every inch of me; especially the part where my heart was situated and I ended up feeling, quite literally, that all is well(atleast for me) tonight.

I experience this quite often when I get really down on something about people killing each other in warfare or people dying unnecessarily etc. I've recently become increasingly sensitive to such vibrations and it can get me emotional quite quickly.

I don't know what to call that but ,for me, I believe that it may be the closest to "purest love" that I'll come to know. Ever.

And when it happens, there is usually no-one else around.

My Moon is in Cancer and my Venus is in Scorpio.

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posted June 20, 2013 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
I mean back then people hadnt even kissed each other and they loves each other and spended their lives together. I dont know this topic keeps cofusing me. Being sexually compatible is very compatible to me, but at the same time i think its sort of shallow, ugh

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yes...it is a form of spiritual love....beyond the material
just thinking of it makes me sigh with wonder with a hint of T____T

posted June 20, 2013 08:00 AM            

Firstly I think there isn’t a universal concept for “purest love”. This is a highly subjective idea that every person needs to form for themselves. I also have a problem with the word pure – nothing in the world is ever pure. Everything has both a good side and a bad side. Always. Without anything bad there can be no good.

The only conventional standard for the highest form of love in my opinion is the one that helps you. The one where each of you tries to make the other person the best of what they can be. The one that helps you evolve in your life and as a person. This contains sacrifice but ONLY when you have to sacrifice a vice that is detrimental to you.

Unconditional sacrifice to me is highly unhealthy and foolish. It’s debilitating to your mental health and philosophically it diminishes the value of love – if you’re ready to love and sacrifice yourself for anything, what is the value of love? Discrimination is needed. Don’t let your self-sacrifice turn into martyrdom.

posted June 20, 2013 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Little Doe:
Wow, that i alot of neptune..
I agree that self-sacrifise doesn´t always mean pure love. I guess it depends on why you do it. Why do YOU self-sacrifise?

I did it before until I realised that pure love doesn´t require sacrifise. That really helped me establish my personal boundries.

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I wonder if my writing was unclear. I have moon in Pisces, Venus conjunct Neptune in Sag.

Ever since I was little, I would give away anything I had to anyone who asked, and I was happy to give. My mom thought this was incredible; I'm the youngest of six kids and apparently none of my siblings did this kind of thing.

I think the reason is, boundaries didn't exist for me until I got old enough to think about things and not just constantly react out of sympathy, as a knee-jerk reaction.

posted June 20, 2013 09:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:

A weird thing happened to me yesterday and it happens quite often really, when I am overwhelmed by feelings of dread and distress.

Then I envisioned a conversation in my head with a question that sounded like "Can you solve these problems within the next 30 minutes? If you can't, then I'd suggest that you get some sleep."

After that silent monologue, a strong feeling of warmth was felt inside my body and all round.

Not the kind of warnth that you get from wrapping yourself in a blanket but the kind that you feel when you get an unexpected, subtle suprise.

Only this "warmth" enveloped every inch of me; especially the part where my heart was situated and I ended up feeling, quite literally, that all is well(atleast for me) tonight.

I experience this quite often when I get really down on something about people killing each other in warfare or people dying unnecessarily etc. I've recently become increasingly sensitive to such vibrations and it can get me emotional quite quickly.

I don't know what to call that but ,for me, I believe that it may be the closest to "purest love" that I'll come to know. Ever.

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Yeah...I love that feeling.

But, more than 'purest love'....I think this is because, after asking yourself that question...what happens is,internally or subconsciously, you realise that you are a tiny,insignificant part of this cosmos, and that you really have no control over the things that happens around you, this realization makes you surrender to the higher powers (or God)...and trying to ensure that everything around you is working fine and that everyone is happy, becomes NO LONGER your responsibility....
It is this peace that you get by surrendering, and the faith in that higher power,that creates an inherent feeling of being protected,which gives you the feelings of warmth and that 'all is well'......and your able to sleep well.

Thats my take on it

posted June 20, 2013 10:32 AM            

It sounds crazy to people but its so deep and so unassuming.

posted June 20, 2013 01:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Aries23Degrees:
Yes..yes..you get it right?

It sounds crazy to people but its so deep and so unassuming.

I'd like to have everyone feel that kinda love

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Its not crazy at all.....And yes, everyone can experience it, it has nothing to do with your astrology, really.........

All it takes is accepting yourself as one of the countless creations of this universe and the faith that yes, you are taken care of, you are not alone. Have love and faith in the divine(or this HUGE Universe you are existing in)...Everything will be taken care of...You can count on it

posted June 20, 2013 01:50 PM            

Once we realise this, and practise it in our daily life, Unconditional love for others will gradually become as simple as breathing....

And, you dont need any particular natal aspects in your chart for this !!

posted June 20, 2013 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
Coming back to this topic (LOL) .... it is this acceptance/realisation [ Refer to above post] that makes us capable of [b] love in the purest form or Unconditional love .... because we start to see everyone around us (all living beings) as divine creations just like us.... with all our own imperfections/weaknessess/demons to fight against which is why we have come here in the first place....

Once we realise this, and practise it in our daily life, Unconditional love for others will gradually become as simple as breathing....

And, you dont need any particular natal aspects in your chart for this !!

But yes, certain natal aspects do prove to be 'blessings' in order to adopt such a way of living...for such people it will come naturally, and for others, they must get convinced first, and then a little bit of effort, but in the end, Everybody is capable of experiencing love of the purest kind....I believe this.[/B]

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posted June 20, 2013 02:14 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You're an inspiration, that is so difficult to master. Perhaps it's one of the most difficult of all?

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No...dont say that...Theory is one thing, Practicals is another thing altogether!

posted June 20, 2013 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by twinswans:
No...dont say that...Theory is one thing, Practicals is another thing altogether!

And yes, this [b]is one of the most difficult things to master!
....But the reward in the end, is greater than any pleasure we can experience on this earth [/B]

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posted June 20, 2013 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
What the self experiences through this is the reward, for sure. It's for the brave at heart to try.

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posted June 20, 2013 05:31 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bearee:
[b]I feel unconditional love towards a person. I want him to be happy for always and If I could, I would do whatever to help him be and stay happy. =) i'm not really good at describing my feelings, but the best way is the term 'unconditional love' i guess.

He's really far from me and we barely talk, but my feelings just stay the same..

I have Venus in Cancer in the 9th House
opposite Neptune / Uranus
trine Pluto

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Has he had a new girlfriend? Dont you feel jealous knowing hes better off with someone else??

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I'm not the original poster you are responding to, but no. In my situation, the man I fell in love with still exists & all I ever wanted was his happiness.

It's really ok with me that I was not his "one"... he's happy now -- and healing -- and that is what I care about when it concerns him. He has the most amazing smile and I don't care who puts it there... ya know?

We both have moved on with people who are better suited / more complementary / less antagonistic.

posted June 20, 2013 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Geeky:
I'm not the original poster you are responding to, but no. In my situation, the man I fell in love with still exists & all I ever wanted was his happiness.

It's really ok with me that I was not his "one"... he's happy now -- and healing -- and that is what I care about when it concerns him. He has the most amazing smile and I don't care who puts it there... ya know?

We both have moved on with people who are better suited / more complementary / less antagonistic.

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Thanks for your replu Geeky!
I cant understand that! If the man I want isnt happy with me then he'd rather stay alone. I mean I know it doesnt sounds good but thats how I feel. And even if he finds someone else and them comes back to me, even if at that point him coming back is all I want, I will make the same thing he did to me and make him feel like he made me feel.

posted June 20, 2013 06:26 PM            

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Has he had a new girlfriend? Dont you feel jealous knowing hes better off with someone else??[/b]

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