posted July 14, 2013 03:23 AM            

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LoVeLy: Can you say a bit more on critical degrees if you don't mind please... My rising sign is Lib on the 29th degree
Thanks

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Sure! Aside from being defining parts in a personality, the themes of the placement and the sign are often exaggerated. For example, one of our own Lindaland users has Pluto at 29 degrees Virgo - they live a very intense life, as in, they bike up mountains at 3 am, recreationaly. Here you can see the extreme nature of Pluto and with the themes of health and recreation, from Virgo.

My irl friend has Mars at 29 Taurus. She devotes lots of effort into comforts: she loves to work (long hours) because it means she has the money to walk to the corner store whenever she wants. Here you can see the active drive nature of Mars and the themes of stamina and pleasures, from Taurus.

With Libra AC at 29 degrees, I'd imagine you might be quite assertive, but in a very frilly, soft sort of way. You might take all the charm and indirectness of Libra and use that for yourself quite well. With DC at 29 Aries, you are certainly a force when it comes to partners. Libra AC wraps everyone around your fingers, Aries DC makes you want that one person who can stand up to and equal you.

posted July 14, 2013 03:33 AM            

Now tell me something about my 0 degree Cancer moon

posted July 14, 2013 03:39 AM            

"I give you my word" means, "If I don't speak truth then never trust my word again," and I hold them to it. When I give my word I'm typically careful to give myself escape clauses (honest and clearly stated, typically describing extremely unlikely but possible events or conditions to arise and not intended as "trickery"). I'm also very careful about giving my word as a result as I consider my rep and honor depending on it, whereas I'm allowed more flexibility (and allow for it) otherwise (so if something comes up that seems more important or otherwise necessary to deal with at that moment then I can cancel getting together, unless I gave my word, then I can't, at least not without being released, that is permission, typically with giving a little extra later on), though I'm fairly honest otherwise (and very with close friends) and avoid flaking out.

Likewise, when I promise firm consequences with the kids over certain things they might do I give them escape clauses as well (though also noting I won't tolerate "gaming the system"), but unless one of those conditions have been met then it happens every single time. Consistency is very important to me and I want them to know that I mean what I say, though there are areas where I'm much more flexible (in which case I'll say so beforehand with some examples). Though on the other side I pretty much answer their questions honestly within reason (I did refuse to tell my boy how to make homemade napalm when he asked as I saw no benefit of him knowing while aware of the dangers of telling him) which some wouldn't care for (I know from bitter experience that ignorance makes one more vulnerable rather than "protected").

In the very rare case I do lie then I usually find a way to do so with the truth or even lies they believe about me anyway, and is typically done to maintain peaceful coexistence with neighbors, family (or to protect family), and business relations.

Finally, as the Mongols said, "A man about to speak the truth should keep one foot in the stirrup." Telling the truth is not always a virtue, though that doesn't mean one should lie either save in dire situations (as an extreme case, lying that there are "no Jews here" to Nazis). Survival sitches changes the rules for everything of course, and I don't consider promises made under threat of dire retribution (even legally) are binding (and similar, like when I once lied to a cop that my close friend had gone home rather than admitting she was hiding in the restroom of the bookstore knowing she'd likely to to prison if they searched her to find what she had, especially her being black, and the cops were there because of a bully angry that he couldn't get away with sexually harassing her who lied about her having something else illegal on her person, in which case I'd have considered telling the truth a betrayal to my friend as well as serving an injustice, and due to cops acting with violence on behalf of the state who are often dishonest themselves I felt no inclination to be as honorable to them as I would be to most other people, in fact had the Crips been there looking for my friend to harm her I'd have lied to them with an equally clean conscience on my part, actually compelled to lie by my conscience in the case of defending her from cops or freelance thugs who would do her harm if they found her).

posted July 14, 2013 03:48 AM            

We are alike in many ways.

I can see myself becoming more like you in later years.I still have a few things to fine tune.

posted July 14, 2013 04:31 AM            

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Jessica2407: Pretty please #puppy eyes

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Tiger? Aw yeah.

But let's see, 0 degree Cancer Moon...I think with 0 degree planets, they're very raw and undeveloped. A confidante of mine has Saturn at 0 Virgo and he's quite regulated when it comes to himself. He monitors himself and often dealt with self-image issues, which I reason is the critical nature of Saturn combined with the self-analysing aspect of Virgo.

With 0 degree Cancer Moon, I imagine the raw nature of the Moon shines through very strong, given that the Moon is domicile here. One of her main qualities include a "one-time only" type nature. I already said this in another thread, idk if u saw it, but the Moon has no atmosphere. Anything that happens on the lunar surface stays there for a very long time. Think of trust (which is a security, and security is the domain of the Moon) as a clean, crisp patch of the lunar surface. As soon as it's marred, the mark will stay there. Then what do you do? Try to erase it? Now you have a smudge instead of a dig. Ignore it? How can you when it will always be there. Such is the raw nature of Cancer and the Moon.

Some Cancers I know though are really zen almost, everything just flows around them, and they even seem sort of oblivious to slights and mistakes. I think this is more the darkside of the Moon, where, with no light, everything is lost to an abyss.

posted July 14, 2013 04:35 AM            

The title says it all.

I mean every single word.

Now am wondering how many people are like me.

posted July 14, 2013 04:47 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
Do you relate? do you value being called trustworthy by other people or is it okay to you when someone tells you you can't be trusted? Do you take it as an affront? What is the meaning of ''I give you my word'' to you? To what extent will you go to honor your word given?

What is your Sun sign?

To me, being called trustworthy is the most honorable compliment,it beats compliments on my physical attributes and my intelligence.I feel so good when someone tells me they trust me.That's why I value those 3 words enormously.I can't explain in words how important trust is to me.So I was wondering is it because am mostly Saturn dominant?

Does Saturn wants to be called trustworthy but finds it difficult to trust people?

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During what I like to call "Part 1" my Taurus friend admitted she had fun with me, but didn't trust me. This was after months and months of me confiding in her and what I thought was her confiding in me, and especially considering she "trusts" a friend she's known longer, but who puts her and her choices down behind her back. You bet I was ****** . Oh, I was so mad... I do value being trusted by people, and I think most people do, but I feel it's deceitful for someone to lead me to believe there's a certain trust when there isn't. That is more what I'm offended by than someone not trusting me.

posted July 14, 2013 04:54 AM            

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Originally posted by somethingexcellent:
Tiger? Aw yeah.

But let's see, 0 degree Cancer Moon...I think with 0 degree planets, they're very raw and undeveloped. A confidante of mine has Saturn at 0 Virgo and he's quite regulated when it comes to himself. He monitors himself and often dealt with self-image issues, which I reason is the critical nature of Saturn combined with the self-analysing aspect of Virgo.

With 0 degree Cancer Moon, I imagine the raw nature of the Moon shines through very strong, given that the Moon is domicile here. One of her main qualities include a "one-time only" type nature. I already said this in another thread, idk if u saw it, but the Moon has no atmosphere. Anything that happens on the lunar surface stays there for a very long time. Think of trust (which is a security, and security is the domain of the Moon) as a clean, crisp patch of the lunar surface. As soon as it's marred, the mark will stay there. Then what do you do? Try to erase it? Now you have a smudge instead of a dig. Ignore it? How can you when it will always be there. Such is the raw nature of Cancer and the Moon.

Some Cancers I know though are really zen almost, everything just flows around them, and they even seem sort of oblivious to slights and mistakes. I think this is more the darkside of the Moon, where, with no light, everything is lost to an abyss.

Sideline note: the Moon is one of the four relationship planets. Mars is passion and attraction, the Moon is trust and bond, Venus is appeal and sentiment, and Saturn is commitment and appreciation.

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Yeah am a ''one-time only'' type of creature.It fits. One time is more than enough. That's why I don't get how people do the same mistakes over and over (like trusting someone who has ONCE betrayed them). Am told that everyone makes that mistake. No sir/ma'am, I don't. If I am convinced by irrefutable facts (that I would check and counter-check again and again) that someone I cared about has betrayed me, I'm done with that person for life. AND I will make it clear to him/her.I won't remember their names,their phone numbers, I wipe them off my memory. I will never try to hurt them though. Am not AT ALL revengeful. NOT AT ALL. I don't understand the concept of revenge is a dish served best cold. I honestly don't see the point of hurting someone to level up scores.It won't assuage the pain they've caused. That being said, I will never extend/offer/promise to help the person no matter how much the latter pretends to be suffering. I'm not the sort who will pretend that I care.I simply don't.

Do you think moon sextile lilith is significant? in that lilith represents the dark moon? I was born on a waning moon btw.

posted July 14, 2013 05:00 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
During what I like to call "Part 1" my Taurus friend admitted she had fun with me, but didn't trust me. This was after months and months of me confiding in her and what I thought was her confiding in me, and especially considering she "trusts" a friend she's known longer, but who puts her and her choices down behind her back. You bet I was ****** . Oh, I was so mad... I do value being trusted by people, and I think most people do, but I feel it's deceitful for someone to lead me to believe there's a certain trust when there isn't. That is more what I'm offended by than someone not trusting me.

Aries Sun.

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okay, so she made you believe that she trusted you but in reality she didn't?

Did you ask her why?

posted July 14, 2013 05:14 AM              

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:

Now am wondering how many people are like me.

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...You mean, bad poets?

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Questionable pen-prowess aside -

Honestly no one trusts me. People either automatically assume that I can't handle their heavy secrets psychologically so they hide stuff under the presumption of "protecting" me; or, they immediately assume I would blab any and everything they told me later - which, actually isn't true if it were something extremely serious/personal/private. I'm way more trustworthy than most people assume but at this point I'm used to not being trusted. I blame it on the hard aspect between Neptune and my ascendant - people always get the wrong idea about me in that sense.

posted July 14, 2013 05:22 AM            

I have neptune semi sq ASC 1 degree. Neptune in 11th Sag.

posted July 14, 2013 05:26 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
okay, so she made you believe that she trusted you but in reality she didn't?

Did you ask her why?

Did you feel like she trusted you? Was it things she told you?

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Yes basically. I mean what's a friendship without trust? How do you call yourself a friend to someone and let them talk to you about deeply personal issues if you don't trust them? It was BS.

She told me why after we reconciled (we didn't speak for about a year or two) but I forgot, probably because I'm stubborn and have my own ideas about why she didn't trust me - which was because me and that mutual friend of ours were closer at the time. She always says "I'm really glad you could be there for him when I couldn't be." Like I was just a stand-in... oh, gets me heated!

-OH! I remember why. Petty reasons to me (except for one, I guess). One was me trying to read messages on her phone because I suspected she wasn't revealing everything our mutual friend had discussed about me. However, I didn't try hiding that. I directly asked how to get to her messages on her phone, lol. She had let me before... then she didn't like that I lied to my co-workers about why it was hard for me to remember certain procedures (I used her personal story as my own, keep in mind we didn't work together and really without me telling her - it did not affect her.) Then there was another instance where she hinted at a secret and then would not reveal what it was and I kept asking... but she never told me who it was, and I dropped it. It was in passing in a conversation. I'm not saying that what I did was right, but I don't get why it affected her because two out of those three instances did not directly INVOLVE her at all.

posted July 14, 2013 05:34 AM              

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
No. I mean betray my trust. I'll leave you in the dust should you be dumb enough to ask me for help.

I have neptune semi sq ASC 1 degree. Neptune in 11th Sag.

People trust me. More than they should. Their mistake not mine more so if I haven't given any reason to do so. But somehow I feel a certain obligation towards them just because they considered me someone trustworthy at least in their perception of trustworthiness.

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Oh honey I'd never be dumb enough to ask you for help; that would be like Einstein getting physics advice from anna nicole smith.

People with strong Saturn influences typically do tend to seem very trustworthy - whether it's necessarily warranted, or not. Hence your own comment that people trust you but they probably shouldn't.

posted July 14, 2013 05:35 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
Yes basically. I mean what's a friendship without trust? How do you call yourself a friend to someone and let them talk to you about deeply personal issues if you don't trust them? It was BS.

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I know.

But for some people, it's not as difficult as it to you to talk about their personal issues. For some, personal issues can be discussed with any Tom,Dick and Harry. They do not necessarily have to trust you when they are disclosing personal things to you. I know. Shocking. I don't understand the concept either. They can use their shortcomings that are pretty private to lure you into thinking that they trust YOU when in reality they don't.

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She told me why after we reconciled (we didn't speak for about a year or two) but I forgot, probably because I'm stubborn and have my own ideas about why she didn't trust me - which was because me and that mutual friend of ours were closer at the time. She always says "I'm really glad you could be there for him when I couldn't be." Like I was just a stand-in... oh, gets me heated!

-OH! I remember why. Petty reasons to me (except for one, I guess). One was me trying to read messages on her phone because I suspected she wasn't revealing everything our mutual friend had discussed about me. However, I didn't try hiding that. I directly asked how to get to her messages on her phone, lol. She had let me before... then she didn't like that I lied to my co-workers about why it was hard for me to remember certain procedures (I used her personal story as my own, keep in mind we didn't work together and really without me telling her - it did not affect her.) Then there was another instance where she hinted at a secret and then would not reveal what it was and I kept asking... but she never told me who it was, and I dropped it. It was in passing in a conversation. I'm not saying that what I did was right, but I don't get why it affected her because two out of those three instances did not directly INVOLVE her at all.

I didn't know she didn't trust me, so yes. [/b]

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posted July 14, 2013 05:41 AM            

hehe

especially if you've betrayed me textbook

posted July 14, 2013 05:44 AM              

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
''Oh honey I'd never be dumb enough to ask you for help;''

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especially if you've betrayed me textbook

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Aww honey you have every right to read whatever you want into that statement, bless your confused little soul.

In order for you to betray me I'd have to be willing to hang out with you first and honestly you don't interest me enough for that.Most Saturnian people bore me anyway.

posted July 14, 2013 05:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Jessica2407:
''Oh honey I'd never be dumb enough to ask you for help;''

hehe

especially if you've betrayed me textbook

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Felt shivers down my spine for a while there hahahaha

The way you said it reminds me of the overly obsessed girlfriend meme haha

posted July 14, 2013 05:45 AM            

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
I just realized your topic rhymes...

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posted July 14, 2013 06:21 AM            

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Originally posted by 12muddy:
I don’t mind if someone thinks that I can’t be trusted. I trust people, I don’t think that they have shady agendas unless they give me reasons to think otherwise.

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^ This.

I usually trust people unless it's a guy I'm romantically interested in.

I can forgive people, too.
Depends on what they did exactly to betray me, though.
If it was something I'd consider quite "big", then - no.
But if I love them, I'll always keep them in my heart, even if they messed up (doesn't mean I'll want to keep in touch though).

And yes, I will help someone even if they betrayed me.

I'm a Scorpio Sun!
Usually Scorpios aren't that forgiving but I am (or try to be) - not sure what's responsible for that (Libra Venus? I don't know).

posted July 14, 2013 06:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Textbook:

Aww honey you have every right to read whatever you want into that statement, bless your confused little soul.

In order for you to betray me I'd have to be willing to hang out with you first and honestly you don't interest me enough for that.Most Saturnian people bore me anyway.

clicks heels together and dissipates in a cloud of fairy dust

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(SIGH)

You are obviously clueless to when you have to take things seriously and when you should take things for what they are,don't you?

You are incapable of handling a response without thinking it's somehow directed at YOU personally hence you resort to personal slights to take whatever control you think you are losing. This is how you come across to me. You remind me of someone else on this board that went by the name of Stacey. Is she you??

I didn't read anything at all into your statement. You are just an anonymous poster on LL to me. I don't remember interacting with you ( as textbook) to come close to have a 'trusting relationship'.I don't know what gave you that silly idea. This is a thread to talk about how you handle/value trust. It is not about you.

posted July 14, 2013 06:29 AM            

Now, about giving my word, its something I wont do If Im not sure I will manage to do but once given I wont take it back.

You know my sign Jess, Aquarius here
Maybe it's a thing of fixed signs?

posted July 14, 2013 06:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Lunae:
Felt shivers down my spine for a while there hahahaha

The way you said it reminds me of the overly obsessed girlfriend meme haha

Don't worry, I still wub you Jess

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GOSH that cracked me up so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaddddd

hahahaaaaaa

I love her!! I mean really love her. Did you see her vids?

BTW I wubbbbb love you

@Doux

You make things sound soooooo easy girl!!

I wub you too!!