posted August 28, 2013 10:09 PM            

He sounds like he may have Nessus and Dejanira with you.

This is what I see when I see obsession.

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posted August 28, 2013 10:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I would like to try to get behind the eyes of this aspect. Thanks!

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posted August 28, 2013 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Astrochologist:
Its rough.To me, it appears like a lot of environments are battle grounds. Places full of threats. Volcanic anger. Hard to put to words really.

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posted August 28, 2013 11:37 PM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
it's almost you are always on alert.

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posted August 29, 2013 12:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Aries Eagle:
I have exact Trine between Pluto and Moon (2 degrees orb) I would say I can see through things and many of the things crosses my mind turns out to be right somehow a psychic ability which scares me sometimes that's all.

God bless you

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This!!! I'm also an Aries w/ Moon trine Pluto - both planets are in the signs that rule them too.

I feel things intensely. I know when to wear my heart on my sleeve, & when to put on my poke face! I can cut through people's BS and read them very easily. I'm very open & honest (Aries)...but I know when to shut up & observe. I have a deep well of empathy and people lean on me (Cancer)...but I'll f*ck you up if you cross me (Scorpio).

posted August 29, 2013 02:51 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
What brought this aspect to the fore was a girl that really flirted with my son. She even gave him her number w/out his asking.

Then, he asked her out and she acted like he was a complete jerk for even trying.

We could not figure her out because she acted to sweet and then she chopped off his hand when he made a move,

How does this fit in here? Does it? Thanks.

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posted August 29, 2013 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Ami - I don't think it's always negative.. but maybe this is just one way that it can play out.
I just found it 'insane'. because there is no way to get through to them either.

Sometimes I wonder about Aqua guy who has the Taurus Moon opp Pluto - as to how similar he might be to the guy I mentioned.
Because he often says he is being rejected by so many girls.. but sometimes I wonder if he really is - or if he is misinterpreting.
Because I've seen for myself how this other guy behaved - when I wasn't even rejecting him.

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posted August 29, 2013 06:45 AM            

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Originally posted by curiouswoman:
i have moon in leo square pluto. i'm extremely sensitive to everything. i can see through people easily. when i love i love with my absolute being. fiercely protective of people i love. i'm very trustworthy and loyal however many female friends felt as though i'm out to get them which is just one big lie. i have troubles where female friends just turned against me but as the years went by, i learned to embrace my power and honor it. i'm also artistic.

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posted August 29, 2013 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
I have Moon opposition Pluto. I love it and hate it at the same time (Pluto is also a singleton in my 5H).

Something I have come to realize about this placement, a facet of it, is my vengeful nature against men.

I want a relationship, but when I meet someone I like I immediately put myself on guard, somewhat.

I act as though I don't care. I don't want them to know I care because it would ruin my control over them.

Pluto is about intensity, fear, control, power... the Moon wants to show how it feels but Pluto tightens the reigns
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You nailed it! I am exactly like this. Exactly. My Moon has deep feelings, craves so strongly to express them, want to love and beloved. But Pluto stands right there reminding that if you tell someone how you feel about him, he will have control over you, you won't have power anymore.
*sighs*
So tough.

I have an Aries Moon quincunx Pluto in Scorpio.

I feel so afraid to express my feelings and I end up playing games, trying to control people through their feelings. It's a very complex aspect, I don't know where to begin to explain it.

posted August 29, 2013 08:14 AM            

I have Scorpio Pluto square my Leo Moon by 3 degrees. Pluto is my only water planet. This should make me not very emotional, right? But i have very deep emotions, most of the time i try to hide them deep inside me. Outside it seems that i'm fine, inside i'm burning and drowning at the same time. Not always, of course, only when something remarkable happens. Sometimes it doesn't really happen, but i make a scenario in my head that it would happen (Mercury square Neptune exact ), and become overly emotional about that. Sometimes i feel that my emotions are cumulative - and some day i will definitely have an emotional outburst..

The problem Moon - Pluto gives for me, i think, is that i cannot properly show my emotions. I have never said words I love you to anybody. Not that i don't love anybody.. i do. But i have problems showing it. If someone hurts me, i'll feel bad, i'll probably spend a day alone in purpose, go running, doing whatever i can just to reduce those emotions down, but i will not confess this person that it hurts a lot... I will always be fine.

posted August 29, 2013 08:23 AM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
With Moon/Pluto in hard aspect, could you say the relationship with the mother was hard? Is that a fair assessment?

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posted August 29, 2013 08:32 AM            

We have not talked before. Thanks for your great contributions!

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posted August 29, 2013 08:35 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Ami,
I have a T-square involving the moon, venus, and pluto. Basically These aspects seem to attract women who like to play games with me or at best women who are emotionally unstable and/or flaky at best. My solution? Don't get close to women my age or take them seriously.

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Wow Thanks AG

I am not that good with chart shapes. Does it feel like a loop going around from one planet to the next from which it is very hard, if not impossible, to extricate oneself?

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posted August 29, 2013 09:01 AM            

Um, okay so there are people who have had bad experiences with this aspect - mainly with men because men take a lot longer to "channel" the energy of a hard Moon/Pluto aspect, which makes sense since men aren't really conditioned to be that emotional and God forbid, show weakness of any kind.
So the men are more inclined to play the infamous mind games, and try to manipulate the women they're interested in (or not).
I've seen it happen myself, with two guys who have Moon square Pluto.
I must add that it's the kind of behaviour that happens when they're young and / or really immature.
It gets better with time (luckily) when the men realize that their controlling tactics don't work and change their behaviour or seek help.

Women with this aspect are usually (but not always) much more aware of their emotional life and their inner workings, so they can work on it better and come to an integration of the aspect (which can also take time and work).

The way it manifests is usually a deep fear of emotional pain, I said that in another thread - the mother or family in general had a deep effect on the child with Moon/Pluto and there is often abuse or emotional dishonesty (hidden anger or depression for example) in the early childhood, which leads the child to "absorb" the emotional undercurrents and that later gives him the ability to read people well and catch emotional cues that others may not see.

It's because the Moon/Pluto person learnt at an early age to decipher any kind of emotional change in the atmosphere - so that he could "protect" himself - hence the feeling of alertness at all times - it can give anxiety or a vague restlessness because they're always expecting "something" to happen (like a sudden outburst of anger of someone close to them).

If the mother (or any other family member) was temperamental and could explode at any moment, or was emotionally / mentally unstable, it makes sense that the child would develop a defense mechanism to prevent him from being psychically harmed - it may not be physical abuse (although possible) but mental/emotional abuse is very damaging as well - the child grows up to believe that people are unstable / unreliable and can hurt him just like the loved mother / family member did.

And that's why the emotional manipulation and intensity usually only come out in *close* situations, with people who make them *feel*.
Moon/Pluto people are very controlled people in most situations, they won't cry in public, they won't get angry in social situations, and so on.

But when it comes to their inner, private little world, and if someone actually touches a soft spot in them, they'll react intensely - internally at least (they usually try to cover it up and show a poker face).

Romantic relationships are the ones most affected because there's a strong feeling of attachment that comes with "falling in love" - and Moon/Pluto people are very scared of such feelings because it means they lose their power, they are vulnerable and the other person can hurt them by changing their feelings or rejecting them - which means *death* in Plutonian terms, because the child's survival depended on the love given by the mother - so they become guarded emotionally, can withdraw, or play games. Basically they can't handle their own insecurity well and don't know how to act in order to prevent being hurt by someone they feel has some power over them.

So, they're not *evil*, or jer*s so to speak, of course some of them can actually turn into very bad people, but at the source of the behaviour is the early conditioning which didn't offer *safety* to the child - he felt rejected, abandoned, or scared quite a lot of time, because the parents couldn't deal with him and his emotional needs properly or were abusive themselves.

The dysfunctional family patterns then got imprinted in the child's psyche and he took his fears into adulthood.

The most common "games" with Moon/Pluto people are push/pull games - I want you VS I don't want you; I need you VS Go away.
Because their "true" self *wants* the intimacy, wants the love; but the damaged, emotionally dysfunctional side is in panic mode because it senses the possibility of being badly hurt, so it pulls back and withdraws. It's kind of like a battle between the "genuine" self VS the damaged child side.

Now, it takes self-awareness to first *see* this behaviour and understand it, but it takes work to change it and overcome the old conditioning.

The worst cases surely need therapy to overcome the deeply ingrained fears and insecurities related to love, nurturing and attachment, but it also takes a very patient, loving and stable partner to help them overcome their subconscious defense mechanisms and be freed from their fears.

posted August 29, 2013 09:03 AM            

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1st House: Scorpio Ascendant - Conjunct 'Stellium' Scorpio Pluto, Scorpio Jupiter, Sagittarius Sun, Sagittarius Mercury.

2nd House:
Capricorn Moon, Capricorn Neptune, Capricorn Uranus - Conjunction.

3rd House:
Saturn in Pisces.

9th House:
Mars in Leo,

11th House:
Venus in Scorpio

posted August 29, 2013 09:28 AM            

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now that others have mentioned, I think Pluto in hard aspects with Moon can cause a person to assume the role of victim when he/she cannot abuse the other person. So either they abuse people or believe they are the one being abused (power struggle playing out in their head whether it's real or not).

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Wow--a gold mine. Thank you, Friend!

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posted August 29, 2013 09:39 AM            

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Originally posted by its_aqua:
Doux you just described my life, what an awesome analysis . And that part about the child being able to feel any temper tantrums that were about to happen and act accordingly-so so true!!! I could always read my mum, I always knew how to act in order not to provoke any more anger from her, therefore hiding my true feelings and expressing my anger out of fear of her anger.

You are so so right about everything

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