posted October 12, 2013 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by HRH-FishAreFish:
<-- I Googled that as you suggested and found nothing of the sort.

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here...some links...
http://nonfluffypagans.livejournal.com/788324.html

https://www.pagan-place.com/forums/topic/1661/what-makes-one-book-quot/view/post_id/9724

and also, talk to some modern pagans then, that have been in this path for some years.
for neopaganism, llewellyn may be good for novices but there is info that must be taken with a grain of salt.
after, if the seeker wants to pursue a neoagan path, the seeker usually gets a better idea of what is what...and starts going for the more serious and better books....it is a process.
i, on the other hand, recommend starting with good resources, whether online or hardcopy...

llewellyn’s reputation in the general neopagan community worsened after silver ravenwolf’s books and the fact that they mass produce wicca 101 books....or as some call it, wiccacrap
and this,...tends to add plenty of confusion for beginners

llewellyn, as your friend, i understand that you find this offensive...but, llewellyn is more new age than pagan, and it has become very commercial.
there are other better publishers as to neopaganism such as three hand press, avalonia, weiser, capall bann...etc.

hutton’s book is one of the most recommended books as to the history of wicca, witchcraft and the development of neopaganism, this one and adler’s.
both of them are highly respected.

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BTW brand new that book cost $20.00 on Amazon!

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quality versus quantity?

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In the first book you recommended it spoke of some of the same traditions. In the book excerpt I posted, in the first paragraph, it says, "While variety of belief and practice is a SOURCE OF PRIDE for Pagans, it can sometimes be a source of confusion for others." Maybe that's why there is so much confusion!

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ive read the book you linked, and they speak of paganism as a religion...here, the problem starts already and....
they dont clarify that there is a difference between pagan and neopagan.
they included traditions that are so but so old...and are not considered as neopagan at all. and are not related to neopagan religions other than the fact that they are not christian, jewish or muslim.

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<--I'm part native American. I know about history. I don't appreciate anyone telling me what to believe. I prefer to 'zip-it,' be a good listener, collect information and decide for myself.

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im not telling you what to believe. but if there is something better out there...i will recommend it. and will criticize.
as to native americans, ive been to different reservations...and to tell native americans that they are pagans/neopagans or that their beliefs are on the same level as wiccans...is something that a number of native americans disagree about...and find offensive.
if you are not aware of this, then it is prolly because you were not exposed thoroughly while growing up.
http://www.native-languages.org/religion.htm

even further...there has been a schism with members of the native american communities and neopaganism due to issues of cultural appropriation
http://pagansa.org.ohio-state.edu/natrel.html
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/sermonsfromthemound/2013/03/cultural-appropriation/

this is a good one:
http://www.academia.edu/1117580/Cultural_Borrowing_Cult ural_Appropriation_A_Relationship_Model_for_Respectful_Borrowing

native american traditions, the same with santeria/lukumi, vodou, etc are very ancient, and solid traditions, and they are not one in the same, as im sure you know.
these traditions don't compare with modern pagan religions which are still in their infancy and in a status of development.

the authors consider santeria and vodou as mesopagan religions...??? to some of us, that is not right.

imo, all of these traditional spiritualities (native american, african-diaspora) should be respected for what they are, instead of imposing outsider terms, explanations and understandings a la neopaganism...otherwise, to me, it reeks of eurocentrism.

posted October 13, 2013 04:12 PM            

I was going to say they were all born between Midnight and One in the Morning.

posted October 15, 2013 04:01 AM            

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Originally posted by IrisRainbow:
I don't know about witches,never been acrossed one but i've heart stories.However,Neptune-Jupiter makes a great magician.

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posted October 15, 2013 04:03 AM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Look for Aqua and the eleventh house. Aqua is a very metaphysical sign.

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posted October 15, 2013 04:06 AM            

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Originally posted by DialecticLady:
yes. it's right! My father has this position and he can do and does sorcery.

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Sun in Virgo conjunct Venus ( 11th House )
Moon in Libra
Rising sign Libra

Honesty is Confidence - Hoodie Allen

posted October 23, 2013 11:33 PM            

My stats:
Pluto conjunct midheaven 29 degrees virgo (within seconds)
Circe conjunct Sun 2 degrees
Hecate conjunct ascendant 1 degree

Mars/Jupiter/moon/Neptune conjunct (tight) in the 12th house

posted September 12, 2014 02:17 AM            

i was called a witch long before i realized i was one.
i consider myself cross-disiplenary and have practiced many forms of craft and magic…be it Druidic, Wiccan, Solomonic, Shamanic, Dianic…and many lesser known avenues.

i have quite an appetite for all things occult, mystic and shamanic.

i practice my own way. i honor the earth and celebrate the turning of the wheel. nature is my haven. at a young age, i become very aware of the energies that exist in this universe and began to build a relationship with them. i believe saturn conjunct pluto has helped me to control myself and my desires. i have not used magic to cause harm, having said that, i've been tempted, and currently am! if i feel totally just in 'causing harm'/punishing someone, then i think i would/could do it…my exalted saturn in libra really makes me weigh the scales before i can come to that decision.

for me, more than being a witch or labeled as so, it's just about my own personal connection to the divine….in all it's glorious forms. as i get older, i find i am more drawn to letting the energies guide me, as opposed to calling on them to work my will.

posted September 12, 2014 03:56 AM            

I have Moon trine Jupiter, Plut conj asc in the 12th, Jupiter conj Sun and trine Uranus and Neptune, Mercury trine Uranus and Neptune, Pluto sextile Jupiter and Sun.

I do study Wiccan but I dont like labels. My mother is the one who introduced me to these habits and interests but she is oblivious to that they are. She has a heavy 12th house and believes in magic but doesnt know that what she believes in is magic.
Since I was a kid I was obsessed with Charmed, enough said.

posted September 12, 2014 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by PlutoFish:
What do you mean by Witches? Witches originally were Women who dedicated their lives to medicine and herblore and the witch slant was one of the ****** things in history - Or do you mean muahahahha black cat on a broom?

I think hekate rules witchcraft and sorcery ?
Pluto & Neptune would tie in ..

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I have hekate conjunct juno exact and this conjuncts Chaos which forms a grand trine with pallas and priapus.

I have never done spells myself but perhaps I should; juno/hekate/chaos trine pallas-creating something out of nothing trine priapus perhaps in this grand trine would work as the power of attraction.

Oh and the grand trine between chaos-pallas-priapus is exact and juno/hekate conjuncts by 2 orbs Chaos.

posted September 12, 2014 10:19 AM            

"Circe was an enchantress who had a year long relationship with the hero-warrior Ulysses. It was a bit complicated as she first tried to put a spell on him & she also turned his team of trusty helpers into swine. Plus he was married. The accounts vary but her father was the Sun-God Helios/Apollo & her mother either the Goddess of Witches – Hecate or a sea nymph. Circe was an accomplished mistress of metamorphing, a skilled herbalist, necromancer and illusionist. The term “holy moly” is linked to her tale. Moly is an old name for the flower Snowdrop, the essence of which Ulysses used as an antidote to her witchy potion.

Astrologically, she is asteroid number 34. You can use the Extended Chart Options on Astrodienst to see where Circe is in your chart or anyone elses and by transit. Not much is said about asteroid Circe in astrology – she would clearly be an influence of magic, cunning & libido."

posted September 12, 2014 11:10 AM            

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Originally posted by NeptunianSag:
What about Lilith? For some reason when I think of witches I think of Lilith.

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