posted November 04, 2013 03:48 PM            

My Saturn leo@2.50, rounded to leo@3

Leo 3° MATURE WOMAN, HER HAIR JUST BOBBED, LOOKS INTO MIRROR.
Sense of freedom from age and realization of the value of youth. Self-creation and independence from fate. Will-power.

Opposed aqua@3
Aquarius 3° A DESERTER SUDDENLY REALIZES THE FALLACY OF HIS CONDUCT.
Ability to regrasp past experience and turn it to account. Sharp self-examination. Awakened new fearlessness. Decision.

Square scorpio@3
Scorpio 3° HAPPY HOUSE-RAISING PARTY AMONG WESTERN PIONEERS.
The constructive sharing of experience which builds social values. Interchange of efforts. Necessity to learn cooperation.

Square taurus@3
Taurus 3° NATURAL TERRACES LEAD UP TO A LAWN OF CLOVER IN BLOOM.
The invitation extended by all nature to man for self-expression. Inspirational possibilities in all experience. Hope.

posted November 04, 2013 03:54 PM            

See how the squares cut off my opposites? I don't have Juno on this chart but it sits right on top of my Saturn so has the same aspects.

And how Saturn just anchors my whole chart.

I've not really seen problems in my life with relationships. I've seen them with self identity and work. Maybe I get to lost in my relationships?

posted November 04, 2013 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Opps. those are the orbs, except the pluto which is 29deg virgo.

Saturn taurus @ 17deg opposite Venus Scorpio @ 9 deg (orb 7.53) h7/h1

Saturn taurus @ 17deg opposite Jupiter Scorpio @ 21 deg (orb 3.25) h7/h1

Juno Taurus @ 17 deg makes the same oppositions

Moon Sag @ 26deg square Pluto Virgo @ 29 deg (orb 2.51) h2/11

Mercury Sag @ 25 square Pluto Virgo @ 29 deg (orb 3.37) h2/h11

Is that right?

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Even those these are important aspects, they are not very close....definitely they are aspects that affect you, but i think what iQ was saying regarding the karma issues was to look at the exact opposed point as the karmic release point...so i would try to keep the orbs tight here!

Taurus@17, is it closer to 17 or 18? If its 17.05, you would round down taurus@17...if its taurus@17.35...its closer to taurus@18 so you would look at the Sabian degree for taurus@18.

Your grand cross and important saturn points would be these--look for planets/asteroids/points on these spots in your chart....
Saturn Taurus@17.40...would be rounded up to
---Saturn Taurus@18---
opposed--Scorpio@18<--freedom point
squared--Aqua@18
squared--Leo@18
the things sitting on these points are going to be the grand cross of hard aspects to your saturn.

posted November 04, 2013 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
No, but taurus/scorpio and sag/virgo don't make squares to each other. Tsquare is three points squaring/opposing each other, hope I'm being clearer now.

EditEdit i think this post belonged earlier, got lost in the mix, disregard if you like

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posted November 04, 2013 04:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Even those these are important aspects, they are not very close....definitely they are aspects that affect you, but i think what iQ was saying regarding the karma issues was to look at the exact opposed point as the karmic release point...so i would try to keep the orbs tight here!

Taurus@17, is it closer to 17 or 18? If its 17.05, you would round down taurus@17...if its taurus@17.35...its closer to taurus@18 so you would look at the Sabian degree for taurus@18.

Your grand cross and important saturn points would be these--look for planets/asteroids/points on these spots in your chart....
Saturn Taurus@17
opposed Scorpio@17<--freedom point
sqaured Aqua@17
sqaured Leo@17
the things sitting on these points are going to be the grand cross of hard aspects to your saturn.

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Saturn is at 17.40 so that's 18?

posted November 04, 2013 04:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
No, but taurus/scorpio and sag/virgo don't make squares to each other. Tsquare is three points squaring/opposing each other, hope I'm being clearer now.

EditEdit i think this post belonged earlier, got lost in the mix, disregard if you like

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Ok. I will. Because reading it makes no sense to me. LOL
The opposites are Saturn opp Venus & Jupiter
The squares are Pluto square Moon & Mercury.

Looking at my chart, I assumed those aspects together (the opposites crossing the squares) made a T. Clearly I need more learning.

posted November 04, 2013 04:17 PM            

In your chart your Jupiter is the closest to anything falling on these points, Jupiter scorpio@21! But dont forget your going to find asteroids on these places and they will give you more clues regarding your saturn and karma!

posted November 04, 2013 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Even those these are important aspects, they are not very close....definitely they are aspects that affect you, but i think what iQ was saying regarding the karma issues was to look at the exact opposed point as the karmic release point...so i would try to keep the orbs tight here!

Taurus@17, is it closer to 17 or 18? If its 17.05, you would round down taurus@17...if its taurus@17.35...its closer to taurus@18 so you would look at the Sabian degree for taurus@18.

Your grand cross and important saturn points would be these--look for planets/asteroids/points on these spots in your chart....
Saturn Taurus@17.40...would be rounded up to
---Saturn Taurus@18---
opposed--Scorpio@18<--freedom point
squared--Aqua@18
squared--Leo@18
the things sitting on these points are going to be the grand cross of hard aspects to your saturn.

In your chart your Jupiter is the closest to anything falling on these points, Jupiter scorpio@21!

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I did read about working on the opposite of Saturn.

I just looked at all the asteroids on Astrodienst. Jupiter and Vesta are in Scorpio at 21degs. (21.06 & 21.38). They are the closest of what you described.

Maybe I should be looking at jupiter & vesta.

Did I totally derail your thread with my lack of understanding? I hope not. When you think you understand something then you realize you haven't a clue!

posted November 04, 2013 04:27 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
There may well be something @ 18 scorp you haven't found it yet is all!

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posted November 04, 2013 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Your perfect this is how we learn together!!
If you find any asteroids that fall on these spots....post them and we can look them up!

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Thanks Gabby.
I did all the asteroids on Astrodiesnt. Any big ones they don't list?

True node Aqua is at 29.
MC leo is at 11.
Then Juno taurus at 17.50 conj. Saturn taurus at 17.40
Those are the closest with Jupiter & vesta I mentioned above.

That's it. I have no way out!! lol

posted November 04, 2013 05:06 PM            

A grand cross would look like
saturn taurus@18
asteroid falling at scorpio@18
asteroid falling at leo@18
asteroid falling at aqua@18
(grand cross has four involved)

when i started i made a cheat sheet to make things easier, it included things like this...
Leo opposes Aqua and Taurus opposes Scorpio
Leo/Aqua square Taurus/Scorpio
These are the Fixed signs---they are the ones that are slow and steady and dont change easily...they are strong but stubborn

Cap opposes Cancer and Libra opposes Aries
Libra/Aries square Cap/Cancer
these are the Cardinal signs, they are the ones who instigate and start things...they dont always finish what they start but they are the leaders who jump start everything and leave the details to the fixed signs to finish up.

Saggy opposes Gemini and Virgo opposes Pisces
Virgo/Pisces square Saggy/Gemini
these are the Mutable signs, they think quick, change easily and are creative and inspiring....they dont have a lot of staying power, they are more about being a burst of energy and then they are off on a new adventure. They inspire the cardinal signs, they put out ideas that make them want to jump into action.

posted November 04, 2013 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Thanks Gabby.
I did all the asteroids on Astrodiesnt. Any big ones they don't list?

True node Aqua is at 29.
MC leo is at 11.
Then Juno taurus at 17.50 conj. Saturn taurus at 17.40
Those are the closest with Jupiter & vesta I mentioned above.

That's it. I have no way out!! lol

Thanks Catalina. I still don't understand. I'll have go back and read about Ts & Crosses again.

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Yes, give a ball park of what you feel your major struggles are, what is our background or have you had any stand out hurts or challenges you feel your life has had a focus on or just keeps coming up?

heres an example of some things that could be seen as issues in life...
sprituality
health
family
freedom
love

posted November 04, 2013 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Ahhhh! So it does have to cross through the middle? And have to be very tight? (Is that called direct?)

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Yes it will cross through the middle!

And orbs need to be tight with this, the saturn/karma issue especially, 0-2 degrees! Other times it doesnt need to be this tight tho!

That is called a tight aspect...direct is the direction a planet is moving at the time of birth or whichever time your looking at the planet.
It can be going Rx, or retrograde which means the planet appears to moving in reverse at the moment of birth.
Retrograde planets in our charts mean the energy of that planet is going to be introverted, it can make you a little more awkward and maybe feel like you dont fit in as much. Except Jupiter in retrograde, thats good because jupiter's energy is flowing into you instead out from you!
Retrograde makes for late bloomers because the person has to kind of get over their own insecurities about expressing the energy of the planet that is in retrograde.

posted November 04, 2013 05:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Yes, give a ball park of what you feel your major struggles are, what is our background or have you had any stand out hurts or challenges you feel your life has had a focus on or just keeps coming up?

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The big, big issue I have are about becoming independent, taking care of myself and not getting lost in a relationship as good as it was. Finding me. And by consequence, what am I going to do professionally.

A recurring issue is I still have no clue what kind of work will make me happy. I have no idea what I want to do with my professional life. My life's work at the end of the day.

I have self confidence issues in terms of work, lack of confidence in my skills, not understanding what I'm good at, etc.

This is what lead me to astrology and looking at where my skills lie, understand my strengths instead of focusing on my weakness.

And I guess beyond that to the higher level of what all that entails which brought me to Saturn and Karma and those types of themes. If that makes sense. Which are of course things we all need to work out, but they won't bring me a pay check. LOL.

posted November 04, 2013 05:51 PM            

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My mars is retrograde, it took me forever to find my fight or my ability to defend myself...or to feel i had the right to protect myself and to stand up for myself. I always felt awkward and out of place disagreeing with anyone.[/B]

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Ok... My venus & my saturn are both retrograde..... I just don't see the relationship problems though. Maybe I'm blind to them. Maybe there is something there I'm not seeing?

posted November 04, 2013 05:58 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
The big, big issue I have are about becoming independent, taking care of myself and not getting lost in a relationship as good as it was. Finding me. And by consequence, what am I going to do professionally.

A recurring issue is I still have no clue what kind of work will make me happy. I have no idea what I want to do with my professional life. My life's work at the end of the day.

I have self confidence issues in terms of work, lack of confidence in my skills, not understanding what I'm good at, etc.

This is what lead me to astrology and looking at where my skills lie, understand my strengths instead of focusing on my weakness.

And I guess beyond that to the higher level of what all that entails which brought me to Saturn and Karma and those types of themes. If that makes sense. Which are of course things we all need to work out, but they won't bring me a pay check. LOL.

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You have described exactly what retrograde in venus and saturn would do!
Venus would make you lose your voice in love, feel insecure about expressing yourself, your needs....you'd lose yourself and agree to things that were not exactly what you wanted.

Then saturn, again,,,,afraid to speak up and make sure you got ahead, your needs are not expressed because you feel timid in expressing this energy.
Not finding your career path until late in life is normal for retrograde saturn....i have that also and im a late bloomer, just now learning to focus enough o myself to start thinking about what do i want to do to make me feel good and complete!

posted November 04, 2013 06:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
You have described exactly what retrograde in venus and saturn would do!
Venus would make you lose your voice in love, feel insecure about expressing yourself, your needs....you'd lose yourself and agree to things that were not exactly what you wanted.

Then saturn, again,,,,afraid to speak up and make sure you got ahead, your needs are not expressed because you feel timid in expressing this energy.

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Hum. The love part was great. I just didn't spend the time thinking so much about what my professional life would look like. I followed him around for his career, which I love as a Sag traveller. So the love, travel, adventure, security, etc were all good.

I didn't feel insecure about expressing my needs in that I didn't and don't know what they are. This has been a life long problem. Once I know what I want, I go for it, ask for it, etc. When I don't know what I want, I just go with the flow. Does that make sense?

I do think intuitively that the crossing of all the relationship/saturn aspects and the 1st house "me" aspects cause me to not focus on me. But focus on having security in a good strong relationship. Which was great for the time. I'm just at a point where that's not what I need now.

I should add though that security, financial and emotional are BIG needs in my chart and my ex gave me all of that. So I didn't feel a burning need to work on my career life path. I was (and am really) contented. I live a contented life. Though I feel I'm missing the "purpose" I guess that's how I'll describe the work/professional thing.

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Not finding your career path until late in life is normal for retrograde saturn....i have that also and im a late bloomer, just now learning to focus enough o myself to start thinking about what do i want to do to make me feel good and complete!

The thing is even though retrogrades are hard to overcome when we do we are usually much stronger in our convictions for whatever we do because we have spent so much more time thinking and working our way though our own insecurities in order to express these planets energies.[/b]

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Ah! Well, there is hope!!! That's what I'm doing now too.

posted November 04, 2013 06:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Best advice in overcoming this is to recognize the times you stop yourself from speaking up, you stop yourself from doing something your intuition told you to do....pretty much overcoming the retrogrades means stop allowing your fears to override your heart which guides you along your spiritual path. Stop thinking and start feeling, let your heart and soul lead you and allow those to shut out the thoughts that make you feel you need to put yourself second.
Putting yourself second will lead to feeling unnourished and in pain....you cant express love and shine from the inside out when you feel hurt or living without what you need!

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You are right in many ways here!

I don't follow my intuition and I over think everything. Paralysis by analysis. Everything I do, except for love/relationships, is with the head not the heart/intuition.

Actually that is something my ex used to tell me all the time. That I need to trust myself/my instinct and stop being afraid.

Maybe I need to stop being so wrapped up in cotton wool of security to make a move.

Hey! Thanks for your insight. It's really helpful.