posted November 05, 2013 04:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
It feels selfish at first but that is because we learned to deny ourselves and needs in order to be loved...its not selfish to love yourself, its smart and kind because without doing that our personal light will eventually go out and we will be left cold and bitter and have nothing left to give!

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Everything seems to be point that way. Everything!
But how, how, how!? Please lay out the program step by step below! Hahahaa!!

I'm studying the cross now. I'm glad I figured out what the cross was (And I'm sure Catalina will be proud of me! hahaha)

And I'm finding Hygeia is sort about "healthy body, healthy mind", which is funny because I've lost 30lbs since the begining of the year and started going to the gym because I find going to the gym quiets my over active brain. These coincidences are sort of freaking me out!

posted November 05, 2013 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
18º Taurus: A woman airing an old bag through a sunny window.
Revolt against musty, dark corners of being. Psycho-analysis. Self-dissatisfaction. Strong will for self-transformation.

18º Scorpio: A path through woods rich in autumn coloring.
The light which transfigures the soul after passions have faded away. Revelation of inner wealth. Radiant consummation.

19º Scorpio: A parrot listening and then talking, repeats a conversation he has overheard.
Dependence upon inner or outer environment for the substance of understanding. Transmission of knowledge. Channel-ship

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Then a light that brings rejuvenation after you've lost some of your enthusiasm, the lights shines on a wealth of information!

The last one, parroting what you heard? Becoming dependent on those things in order to have an identity?

Make sure and read the aqua and leo@18-19, eventually you will find more asteroids falling on these points and more lights will come on for you and scorpio@18....your freedom point will grow brighter so you understand yourself and what you need even more!

posted November 05, 2013 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

If you would share any good books you read along the way, I'd love that and it would help me! [/B]

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I tend to read non-fiction on the biographical side.

I loved The Glass Castles. It is about a woman who sort of got the wrong mother. lol.

also really liked Caveat Emptor also a real story about an art forger. Amazing life and talent used (or wasted?) for not good but bad.

I'm now reading two now. "the gardner heist" and "For all the tea in China" which both are a bit of a struggle. Both are bit too "history book"-ish.

I read Eat Pray Love and didn't quite get what all the fuss was about.

posted November 05, 2013 05:35 PM            

I love books about the science of spirituality! They help me understand how to use our brains and our emotions in order to work along with the universe instead of working against it!

posted November 05, 2013 06:02 PM            

Also I would hesitate to equate Kalle with Kali as the first is a scandinavian first name and may even be the astronomer who discovered #2805.

posted November 05, 2013 06:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I read non fiction also!!
I was thinking about reading eat pray love....but haven't, I always forget about it when I'm at the book store so I figured it wasn't meant to be! Good to know you didn't think it was worth the hype!

I love books about the science of spirituality! They help me understand how to use our brains and our emotions in order to work along with the universe instead of working against it!

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Definitely don't buy it! Get it at the library or borrow it. It's a quick read. There were some nice parts of it. But her quest was a bit superficial. Plus she goes to an ashram and whines the whole time. That part was insufferable!

Not sure I've read too many books in your interest. I love biographies. Love reading peoples journeys.

Catalina, shine some sunlight on my Hygiea! Klimt's version of her is a bit pale.

It's definitely Kalle 2805. Haven't read about that one yet.

Any and all insight helps!

posted November 05, 2013 07:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
A couple little notes cos I'm pressed for time...your Hygeia, Lucie, is exactly on my sun! More synchro tho not sure it means anything to your quest!

Also I would hesitate to equate Kalle with Kali as the first is a scandinavian first name and may even be the astronomer who discovered #2805.

You learn fast! And Gabby is a good teacher...now is probably digestion time so I won't add anything at least till later when I'm back at a computer

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The 'Kalle' was my fault, i wasnt thinking of that asteroid....i had mistakenly thought she mis typed and meant Kaali! Oops!

posted November 05, 2013 07:28 PM            

(171) Ophelia taurus@2.50
The name itself means, "help or helper"
Very karmic for people who have been hurt and in need of help, dont get it and instead help themselves by turning their pain around and becoming empowered to help others, sound a bit like Chiron's story!

Her meanings...
Female despair and madness
Tragic undoing caused from oppression
Maddening endurance
Innocence gone mad
Duty to the point of losing yourself; driving one to insanity

Positives...
Demolishing the instruments used for her captivity
Exposing truth behind oppression, revolutionary gestures against those who cause oppression
Disowning your weakness and taking on a new empowered role

posted November 05, 2013 07:41 PM            

According to Ovid, in the fifth year of Procne's marriage to Tereus, King of Thrace and son of Ares, she asked her husband to "Let me at Athens my dear sister see / Or let her come to Thrace, and visit me."
Indulging his wife's request, Tereus agreed to travel to Athens and escort Philomela, his wife's sister, to Thrace.

King Pandion of Athens, the father of Philomela and Procne, was apprehensive about letting his only remaining daughter leave his home and protection and asks Tereus to protect her as if he were her father. Tereus agrees.

However, Tereus lusted for Philomela when he first saw her, and that lust grew during the course of the return voyage to Thrace.
Arriving in Thrace, he forced her to a cabin or lodge in the woods and raped her. After the assault, Tereus threatened her and advised her to keep silent.
Philomela was defiant and angered Tereus. In his rage, he was incited to cut out her tongue and abandon her in the cabin.
Rendered unable to speak because of her injuries, Philomela wove a tapestry (or a robe) that told her story and had it sent to Procne.
Procne was incensed and in revenge, she killed her son by Tereus, Itys (or Itylos), boiled him and served him as a meal to her husband. After Tereus ate Itys, the sisters presented him with the severed head of his son, and he became aware of their conspiracy and his cannibalistic meal.
He snatched up an axe and pursued them with the intent to kill the sisters. They fled but were almost overtaken by Tereus at Daulia in Phocis.
In desperation, they prayed to the gods to be turned into birds and escape Tereus' rage and vengeance. The gods transformed Procne into a swallow and Philomela into a nightingale.
Subsequently, the gods would transform Tereus into a hoopoe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philomela

(900) Rosalinde scorp@3.06

"Rosalind gives herself over fully to circumstance. She chastises Silvius for his irrational devotion to Phoebe, and she challenges Orlando’s thoughtless equation of Rosalind with a Platonic ideal, but still she comes undone by her lover’s inconsequential tardiness and faints at the sight of his blood.
That Rosalind can play both sides of any field makes her identifiable to nearly everyone.
Rosalind is a particular favorite among feminist critics, who admire her ability to subvert the limitations that society imposes on her as a woman.
With boldness and imagination, she disguises herself as a young man for the majority of the play in order to woo the man she loves and instruct him in how to be a more accomplished, attentive lover—a tutorship that would not be welcome from a woman.

posted November 06, 2013 01:27 AM            

All over came adversity and more than just survived.

posted November 08, 2013 10:22 AM            

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Very good point, I think I'm still digesting these! They hit way to close to home for me....it kind of brings up uncomfortable feelings!

But im finding the grand cross interesting, theres a lot of meaning and knowledge about who we are and what we have come into this life to do in the grand cross. I guess the mystic rectangle and the grand trine would be equally telling, but they are made of the sextiles and trines so maybe they would show more about the support system we have to help us overcome.

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I was feeling quite uncomfortable as I started my journey though my chart and moved on to some deeper things. Well there are still things I learn every day that completely freak me out! lol! Saturn is less scary now. This week I'm terrified of Pluto! lol.

But it's making me stronger some how. Maybe it's the KNOWing what the challenges are and KNOWing you have the capacity to over come them and KNOWing you have all these strong influences helping you out.

I don't know why but when people were telling me I had all these characteristics, qualities, etc. I didn't believe them. Seeing it "on paper" so to speak is helping me a great deal to accept that yes I DO have the ability to move forward.

Also knowing others are on the same (or similar) journey is very helpful.

You are right though it's a LOT to digest!

posted November 08, 2013 10:52 AM            

My saturn is in a grand cross formation square venus/merc on one side and moon/neptune on the other. Directly opposite is asteroids karma and mesopotamia with mars/uranus conjuction in slightly wider opposition.

posted November 09, 2013 11:26 AM            

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Originally posted by LeonisStar:
The only thing Saturn squares for me is my Ascendant, any insight on that?

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posted November 09, 2013 12:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Just notice your post, I don't have any time right now but I will tomorrow, would you post exact degrees, signs and houses for me please?

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Here they are :

1ST HOUSE
4227 Kaali 18 ta 16' 8" Kundalini / tantric goddess (vedic)
76 Freia 18 ta 30'19 viking goddess of love, fertility,beauty but also war and death
37 Fides 18 ta 59'33" faithfulness
55576 Amycus 18 ta 18'31" a shining light of love and beauty
VENUS 20 ta 34'52" PLANET
151 Abundantia 20 ta 44'47" Abundance
20000 Varuna 21 ta 18'59" Vedic deity of vast power
3402 Wisdom 22 ta 1'26" wisdom
43 Ariadne 22 ta 40'44" immortal wife of Dionysus, after being abandoned by Theseus who she helped through the labyrinth.
MERCURY 22 ta 46'11" PLANET
233 Asterope 23 ta 9'46" Named after one of the Pleidian stars
222 Lucia 23 ta 26'18" Light
29391 Knight 23 ta 31'23" heroic rescuer
1221 Amor 25 ta 57'12" unconditional love

4TH HOUSE
679 Pax 18 le 11'31" Peace
1247 Memoria 19 le 18'59" Memory
466 Tisiphone 19 le 22'18" one of the Furies - the avenger of murder. Her name means 'voice of revenge.
33 Polyhymnia 19 le 28'17" the Muse of sacred poetry, sacred hymn, dance, and eloquence as well as agriculture and pantomime
318 Magdalena 19 le 35' 4" Mary Magdaline - prostitute or wife of Jesus?
118 Peitho 19 le 55'58" goddess who personifies persuasion and seduction
184 Dejopeja 20 le 43'11" the fairest of the 14 nymphs who attended Juno
5947 Bonnie 20 le 52'25" Beautiful/pretty
836 Jole 21 le 2'56" the type of girl that has the personality that no one has
3811 Karma 21 le 31'17" KARMA - WHAT COMES ROUND GOES ROUND
469 Argentina 22 le 48'11" COUNTRY
577 Rhea 23 le 20'30" WIFE OF SATURN: mother of the Gods; saved her son Zeus by tricking Saturn
1866 Sisyphus 23 le 31'15" king of Ephyra punished for chronic deceitfulness by being compelled to roll an immense boulder up a hill, only to watch it roll back down, and to repeat this action forever.
390 Alma 24 le 2'42" A surname of the goddess Venus.
2082 Galahad 24 le 8'21" "My strength is as the strength of ten because my heart is pure,"
56000 Mesopotamia 24 le 41'27" ANCIENT COUNTRY
798 Ruth 24 le 41'43" Ruth is a faithful woman who did not leave her mother-in-law and was obedient. Later on she finds grace in the eyes of Boaz
381 Myrrha 24 le 48'23" She was transformed into a myrrh tree after having had intercourse with her father and gave birth to Adonis as a tree.
54598 Bienor 26 le 12'53" Centaur : means "strong man."
49036 Pelion 26 le 31'46" The Pelion region is known as the home of the Centaurs and the summer playground of the Olympian gods.
1970 Sumeria 27 le 23'21" ANCIENT COUNTRY
6032 Nobel 0 vi 33'55" accolade for outstanding individuals - nobel prize
Mars 0 vi 54' 3" PLANET
37452 Spirit 1 vi 14'49" Spirit , higher self
Uranus 1 vi 27'46" PLANET

7TH HOUSE
Neptune 13 sc 30'52" PLANET
Moon 18 sc 17'39" PLANET
902 Probitas 18 sc 23'55" its location by sign and house indicates where and how one its most likely to act authentically and honestly
895 Helio 18 sc 27' 5" Helio represents areas of life where you "shine",
4950 House 18 sc 49'23" where you belong, feel at home
364 Isara 18 sc 59'44" Isara was the goddess of marriage and childbirth, Mesopotamian (Babylonian-Akkadian) and western Semitic. This deity also was concerned with the enforcement of oaths.
1181 Lilith 20 sc 3' 5" he dark & mysterious . She represents secrets, including harsh ones, not just beautiful secrets... Lilith, is made ofthe things that are private to a person, even a place where they may struggle deeply.
446 Aeternitas 22 sc 1'32" Eternity
795 Fini 22 sc 35'19" the end, armageddon, complete, done, finished
18 Melpomene 23 sc 16' 8" Melpomene initially the Muse of Singing, she then became the Muse of Tragedy
551 Ortrud 23 sc 20'51" reactionary worship of ancient Germanic pagan gods,
27 Euterpe 23 sc 45' 1" one of the Muses; Called the "Giver of delight", muse of music, song and dance.
144752 Plunge 24 sc 8'27" to fall into
11911 Angel 24 sc 18'28" This is where you will reach your Higher Self State comfortably
3264 Bounty 24 sc 56' 4" good things that are given or provided freely and in large amounts, reward, treasure trove
2878 Panacea 25 sc 18'39" a goddess of Universal remedy; could cure all diseases
61342 Lovejoy 26 sc 17'17" love and joy
424 Gratia 26 sc 31'40" gratitude; thanks

10TH HOUSE
5145 Pholus 18 aq 3'35" keeper of the sacred wine
704 Interamnia 20 aq 51' 4" between rivers
258 Tyche 21 aq 24'30" luck
4416 Ramses 21 aq 37'27" The Pharaoh Who Made Peace with his Enemies
367 Amicitia 22 aq 9'16" the Latin term for friendship
275 Sapientia 22 aq 54'47" “sapientia” means wisdom
Saturn 23 aq 6'31" PLANET
10199 Chariklo 23 aq 39'58" healing assistant to vesta - boundary sensitive, wise, just
1870 Glaukos 23 aq 53' 7" Glaucus, a god of the sea blessed with the power of prophecy
7225 Huntress 24 aq 6'26" Female hunter
61 Danae 25 aq 3'44" a princess of Argos in the Greek Peloponessos, a daughter of King Akrisios. When her father learned a prophecy that he was destined to be killed by a son of his daughter, he locked Danae away in a subterranean, bronze chamber. Her prison, however, was easily infiltrated by the god Zeus who impregnated her in the guise of a golden shower. She conceived and bore him a son named Perseus.
751 Faina 25 aq 10'34"
7211 Xerxes 25 aq 57' 7" Xerxes I of Persia also known as Xerxes the Great (519–465 BC), was the fourth King of Kings of Persia

SATURN SABIAN : Aquarius 24. A man turning his back on his passions teaches deep wisdom from his experience.

posted November 10, 2013 04:05 AM            

Taurus 24: An indian warrior riding fiercely with human scalps hanging at his belt.

posted November 10, 2013 06:25 AM            

18deg is too far from 24deg. [/QUOTE

first three planet squares to saturn are definitely in orb.The mars/uranus opposition i am not sure about.
The surrounding asteroids are in orb for those aspecting planets, not neccesarily for saturn.

Merc sq saturn ... 1 deg
Venus sq saturn ... 3 deg
Moon sq saturn ... 5 deg
nep sq saturn.... 10 deg (too wide but only included due to conj with moon)

posted November 10, 2013 09:28 AM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
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I think your orbs are too wide. Focus on the at the ones that are very close, tight orbs.

18deg is too far from 24deg. [/QUOTE

first three planet squares to saturn are definitely in orb.The mars/uranus opposition i am not sure about.
The surrounding asteroids are in orb for those aspecting planets, not neccesarily for saturn.

Merc sq saturn ... 1 deg
Venus sq saturn ... 3 deg
Moon sq saturn ... 5 deg
nep sq saturn.... 10 deg (too wide but only included due to conj with moon)

Oppositions
Rhea opp saturn (0 deg)... She was his wife
Karma opp saturn (2 deg)
Mars opp saturn (7deg.. Wide)
Uranus opp saturn (8 deg....wide)[/B]

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I think gabby said we should be looking at 1 no more than 2 deg. Well, we can look at whatever we want. LOL. But you now what I mean. haha

That's funny that you have Rhea opp Saturn.

I have Juno opposite Jupiter. They were married too. With Juno conjunct Saturn who was her father.

I wish now wish I had paid more attention when my brothers would drone about mythology. lol. I wasn't interested then. I'm becoming a fan now.

posted November 10, 2013 12:42 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

What squares your Saturn, has your life forced you to find a new path without using the planet that is squared by saturn?

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WOW this is such an interesting post! I have a saturn (conjunct mars/mc/Pof) square Sun in 1st natally. I have been feeling like I have to lose my personal identity in order to make something of myself.