posted November 04, 2013 06:55 PM            

Creativity Asteroids and Muses:
600 Musa (Greek)
2 Pallas (also called Pallas Athene) (Greek)
881 Athene (Greek)
1862 Apollo (Greek)
3361 Orpheus (Greek)
80 Sappho (Greek)
93 Minerva (Roman)
2340 Hathor (Egyptian)
5011 Ptah (Egyptian)
1813 Imhotep (Egyptian)
443 Photographica
57 Mnemosyne (Greek)
22 Kalliope (Greek)
84 Klio (Greek)
18 Melpomene (Greek)
27 Euterpe (Greek)
62 Erato (Greek)
81 Terpsichore (Greek)
30 Urania (Greek)
23 Thalia (Greek)
33 Polyhymnia (Greek)
14827 Hypnos (Greek)
4106 Nada (Vedic)
2415 Ganesa (Vedic)
4572 Brage (Norse)

600,2,881,1862,3361,80,93,2340,5011,1813,
443,57,22,84,18,27,62,81,30,23
33,14827,4106,2415,4572

Medical Asteroids:

2060 Chiron
1862 Apollo (Greek)
10 Hygeia (Greek)
212 Medea (Greek)
2878 Panacea (Greek)
1027 Aescualpia (Asklepios or Askalaphus) (Greek)
3063 Makhaon (Greek)
4086 Podalerios (Greek)
5239 Reiki

posted November 04, 2013 06:59 PM            

here is the description of the medical/healing asteroids...

posted November 04, 2013 07:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
The retrogrades always means something regarding that planet will be repressed or held back by in some way, we will give ourselves the short end of the stick...many times we sacrifice for others and we end up with less for it.
Its not a bad thing, but eventually it will become something that we will want to correct and finally give ourselves the same value as we give others....this is waking up in you, thats why your seeking answers now. You will find your answers, and it will happen naturally and at the perfect time!

Heres a link to a huge list of important asteroids along with there numbers, run these and see which hit your MC in a positive aspect, conjunctions are positive here, this is good for possibilities on career choices....
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum28/HTML/000044.html

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You are right. It was good for the time. It's not good any more. And I have to be grateful that it all ended peacefully with no one getting heart broken or drama.

Maybe that's why I don't see it as challenging in that there's no really drama like you see some horrible break ups and messy divorces. It just ran it's course. Though now I see that "challenge" isn't always messy.

And now it's time to move on from that. I guess I shouldn't be on the look out to for cute boys at this time. LOL
Too bad as I do like to flirt. LOL.

Thanks so much for those links and all your sage advice and words of wisdom and helping me "talk it out". It all bring clarity.

posted November 05, 2013 05:38 AM            

Juno 17.50 deg Taurus

Adonis 19.19 deg Scorpio
Kalle 18.35 deg Scorpio

Hygie 17.04 deg Leo
Ywain 19.01 deg Leo

posted November 05, 2013 10:25 AM            

So my question is what about being a wife confuses you so much? Do you have a hard time drawing the line between where does being a good partner end and being you begin? You've already mentioned the struggles you have in relationships, this confirms that again! Did you see your mom's whole identity wrapped up in being a wife to the point that who she was as a person became lost?

posted November 05, 2013 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Ok, I've gone through all the lists and this is what I have that is closest:

Juno 17.50 deg Taurus

Adonis 19.19 deg Scorpio
Kalle 18.35 deg Scorpio

Hygie 17.04 deg Leo
Ywain 19.01 deg Leo

I have found nothing at the bottom in Aqua.

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Kalle? Is that possibly Kaali(4227)?

Adonis....very fitting for your struggle! Adonis sits in your point of freedom! Adonis represents your ideal man, since he opposes your Saturn and Juno, he would give you a clue to what you need to help you overcome your struggle with understanding your role in a relationship!
Scorpio is usually a somewhat controlling sign but I doubt that's the answer here, it's probably got more to do with scorpions ability to go deep and look below surface level and see deeper issues deeper struggles! Your ideal man would see past your natural tendency to lose yourself in a relationship, he would encourage you to do things that allowed you to feel your independence he would look deep enough into you to see you needed help finding balance and he'd be secure enough to help you find that!
What house do these fall in?
Can you look up the Sabian symbols for Taurus@18, scorpio@18 and @19.... The link to these symbols in this thread already! Please post the Sabian meaning for those, it will give a deeper meaning to what is needed to so to overcome your karma!

Hygeia leo@17 is about natural healing....this would be the T in your T-square and would be the outlet to release stress energy from the opposition!
What is being said is, a man can come along and be that man you need but it's you that has to accept that help, see the problem and allow his support to help you heal but it's You that must heal it! Without you being willing to see how your behavior patterns and thinking allow the problem to persist nothing can change!
You have to open up to see the issue is inside you and until you heal/change the underlying beliefs created by what you learned in your past, you won't be able to fix the problem and overcome the karma!

posted November 05, 2013 12:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
So my question is what about being a wife confuses you so much? Do you have a hard time drawing the line between where does being a good partner end and being you begin? You've already mentioned the struggles you have in relationships, this confirms that again! Did you see your mom's whole identity wrapped up in being a wife to the point that who she was as a person became lost?

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I dont' have problems being a wife. I like being a wife. I was happy and fulfilled in my relationship but unfilled on the professional level, in what my purpose outside a relationship is, in what my life work should be. As you said above, I did put all my resources into us as a couple and in supporting him in his career and his goals, etc. I liked doing that because it's easier for me to see what others are good at than understanding what i'm good at.

My ex did try to help me become more confident and as you said above, fight the fear of failure or being judged. He also encourage me to go with my intuition more. But I guess you can't just hear it from the outside, you have to believe it from the inside.

My mom didn't have a problem being a wife. She had a problem being a mom. She's not very good with kids. lol If it weren't expected of her generation, my guess is she wouldn't have had kids.

posted November 05, 2013 12:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Also interesting that Saturn is currently approaching 17 Scorpio...ie time to get a good look @ this "issue"? And perhaps a resolution point too.

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YES! This is exactly how I feel. I felt it intuitively that I needed a life change. And astrology is confirming this. I just really don't know where to look. So all this is helping.

On the 4th December it will be at 17.40 where it was when i was born. Opposite house. Should I freak out!?

I'm feeling guilty I've hijacked the thread.

posted November 05, 2013 12:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
[b] Kalle? Is that possibly Kaali(4227)?

Adonis....very fitting for your struggle! Adonis sits in your point of freedom! Adonis represents your ideal man, since he opposes your Saturn and Juno, he would give you a clue to what you need to help you overcome your struggle with understanding your role in a relationship!
Scorpio is usually a somewhat controlling sign but I doubt that's the answer here, it's probably got more to do with scorpions ability to go deep and look below surface level and see deeper issues deeper struggles! Your ideal man would see past your natural tendency to lose yourself in a relationship, he would encourage you to do things that allowed you to feel your independence he would look deep enough into you to see you needed help finding balance and he'd be secure enough to help you find that!
What house do these fall in?
Can you look up the Sabian symbols for Taurus@18, scorpio@18 and @19.... The link to these symbols in this thread already! Please post the Sabian meaning for those, it will give a deeper meaning to what is needed to so to overcome your karma!

Hygeia leo@17 is about natural healing....this would be the T in your T-square and would be the outlet to release stress energy from the opposition!
What is being said is, a man can come along and be that man you need but it's you that has to accept that help, see the problem and allow his support to help you heal but it's You that must heal it! Without you being willing to see how your behavior patterns and thinking allow the problem to persist nothing can change!
You have to open up to see the issue is inside you and until you heal/change the underlying beliefs created by what you learned in your past, you won't be able to fix the problem and overcome the karma!

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Interesting stuff! I'm just learning the planets. Seems there is wealth of information in the asteroids! I'll never learn all of this!

Thank you as always for all your insight!

I'm going to have to take a moment to absorb all that. Though I really am getting the key message that *I* need to fix it and not wait for the solution to come from someone/somewhere else.

I'm a very practical person though so these abstract, work on the inside things get me confused.

I need Step 1, Step 2 kind of solutions! lol Yes, I know they don't exist!!

Adonis, Venus, Jupiter, Vesta and Neptune are all in the 1st house

Juno and Saturn conj in the 7th.

Hygeia leo@17 is in 10th. MC@11

posted November 05, 2013 12:48 PM            

18º Scorpio: A path through woods rich in autumn coloring.
The light which transfigures the soul after passions have faded away. Revelation of inner wealth. Radiant consummation.

19º Scorpio: A parrot listening and then talking, repeats a conversation he has overheard.
Dependence upon inner or outer environment for the substance of understanding. Transmission of knowledge. Channel-ship

posted November 05, 2013 02:50 PM            

The signs of the planets show how you will implement your lessons, the houses show where the lesson will be focused.

Taurus will implement these lesson in a very practical, slow but constant way, saturn's lesson will be all about your physical and material comfort.
Scorpio will implement itself in a piercing obsessive way, equally constant as taurus but much more obsessed!

posted November 05, 2013 03:02 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
Wow, that is a Karma opposition for me now I see how I was drawn into this lol...

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posted November 05, 2013 03:19 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
I dont' have problems being a wife. I like being a wife. I was happy and fulfilled in my relationship but unfilled on the professional level, in what my purpose outside a relationship is, in what my life work should be. As you said above, I did put all my resources into us as a couple and in supporting him in his career and his goals, etc. I liked doing that because it's easier for me to see what others are good at than understanding what i'm good at.

My ex did try to help me become more confident and as you said above, fight the fear of failure or being judged. He also encourage me to go with my intuition more. But I guess you can't just hear it from the outside, you have to believe it from the inside.

My mom didn't have a problem being a wife. She had a problem being a mom. She's not very good with kids. lol If it weren't expected of her generation, my guess is she wouldn't have had kids.

All very interesting things to think about! And again, different phases of our lives. He's all good now, so I set he free to shine his fabulousness out on the rest of the world. LOL.

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"I was happy and fulfilled in my relationship but unfilled on the professional level, in what my purpose outside a relationship is, in what my life work should be."

posted November 05, 2013 03:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
"I was happy and fulfilled in my relationship but unfilled on the professional level, in what my purpose outside a relationship is, in what my life work should be."

This karma isnt saying you wont make a good wife or enjoy being a good wife, actually its saying the exact opposite....you love it so much that become completely wrapped in it and lose your identity to it!
The problem with that is what happens if things dont work out? Your karma is to learn how to be a person in a partnership.
Dont allow "wife" to become your only identity!
The reason you do this is your trying to be different than what you saw growing up!
It kind of sounds like, after experiencing your mom and the hurt it caused you, you decided you didnt want to hurt anyone else the way you were hurt. You chose NOT to be like your mom...but trying to be or not to be like someone else is still allowing who they were to control you.
The deepest level of your Karma here, is asking you to stop identifying yourself according to the pain you learned as a child....Karma wants you to start identifying yourself and getting to know yourself without the influence of another....that means stop basing who you are or how you will behave on someone elses behavior patterns and find your own behavior patterns.
Im going to take a wild guess here and tell me if im wrong....kind of guessing thats very very hard for you, because its hard for all of us who have been hurt to do, we are so afraid of passing the pain and hurting people like we were hurt. In effort to make sure we dont hurt anyone we hold onto the pain because we need it to, to make sure everything we do isnt what they did and nobody will get hurt by us....but we are still hurting someone, ourselves! We do matter to, we are people, even if what we learned didnt validate that for us!!!

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Wow! Well, yes. I think you've hit the nail on the head there!

That's exactly right. I need to find a way to self validate. If that's a word. Get confidence and validation from the inside and not by the approval of others be it the husband or the boss, the mother, etc.