posted November 03, 2013 02:02 PM            

Maybe by looking at the things saturn blocks we can see where our past lives went wrong, and what energy we used in a way that wasnt helpful to us.

My saturn squares my uranus by 1.5 degrees....i believe my life picked up where i left off because i was born into a very severe situation.
Obviously i didnt free myself of the situation in my past life so when came back i was forced to enter it again, but this time the control, power and domination was more extreme and i had my ability for creative thinking and change being blocked...i had to come up with another way to escape, and i did....it was through the love of my children i forced myself to see what was happening and that i had to protect them from growing up like i had.
I had to plan and think logically...nothing crazy and radical...slow and steadily i started undoing what had been done to me and them.

Now that ive got myself and them out...we are free and freed without the use of anything really out there, just hard slow working at it over time and lots of patience and logic. After all that, im starting to feel my uranus coming alive, i never related to what it meant to have a scorp uranus in the 2nd house...but now i do.
It seems very spiritual and very karmic, uranus only positive aspect is to my mars....mars is unaspected except for this 5 degree, out of sign trine to uranus....but now im started to feel my mars in a positive way.

posted November 03, 2013 05:37 PM            

yup. just as i thought i remembered. saturn squares my karma by 2 degrees. like what.

posted November 03, 2013 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
i wonder if any important asteroids square mine bc my saturn has no squares. just oppppp my venus, conjunct my uranus, sun/moon MP, anti-vertex and some minors.

yup. just as i thought i remembered. saturn squares my karma by 2 degrees. like what.

i need to figure out what's opposite that.
bc i have vertex opposite saturn both square karma
(karma sq vertex exact)

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That sounds like an important aspect to look up!
What I like about realizing this regarding Saturn is it shines a light on potentially some core issues! Could be very healing!
Right now, like you, I'm looking for any t-squares and grand crosses closely connecting to Saturn, i'm sure those will tell me a lot about what things I need to stay focused on and learn new ways to use the energy!

iQ had a thread a while back showing what fell at the opposite point of our Saturn was very important and held the answer to freeing ourselves of karma(its been awhile since i read it so hope I'm rephrasing him correctly, but I'll try to locate the thread, JIC)
I'm thinking if the opposition holds answers then a t-square with the squared object to both must also mean something important, since the squared object in a t-square is the place to find the answer for the opposition, it allows you to see and release the friction so the opposition can become a compliment instead of frustration.

posted November 03, 2013 08:44 PM            

i do think that focusing on my karma relieves stress if we use that as a point. but the apex - the empty space - would be something to look at it.

i remember that IQ thread and commenting on that hot spot in my chart. i am constantly trying to figure that axis out because it seems significant enough to keep searching for understanding about it. but in theory - venus, vertex and talent (all opp saturn) do give me relief. or at least the first and last.

posted November 04, 2013 09:19 AM            

I have two oppositions, jupiter and venus. Everyone keeps telling these are my "problem areas or challenges. But to be honest, I've not had problems in this area. It has been the focus of my life so to speak. Though not a problem/challenge/bad thing. My relationships have been very good.

My REAL problems are related to work, what to do for a career, some insecurities I have, internal things. That's where I'm having the most trouble.

Maybe this is where the T comes in. Because these opposites T my 11/12/1/2 squares. I haven't learned about the Ts yet. I'm new to this. I started learning more about astrology to find out what sort of work I should be doing! Still haven't found the answer yet. I'm enjoying my journey through astrology though.

I will have to see if I can find the thread by IQ mentioned by Gabby. Gabby, if you find it could you send me the link please? Thnx.

posted November 04, 2013 12:09 PM            

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Originally posted by peachbeigeblue:
Yes! I have work but I will be back after!

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posted November 04, 2013 01:31 PM            

Saturn leo@2.50
Lucifer leo@3.47<--about not only the dark, but the light...arrogance or humility
Logo leo@4.54

opposed-
Veritas aqua@2.22<--Goddess of Truth, a daughter of Saturn and the mother of Virtue
Sophrosyne aqua@2.58<--Arrogance, insolent self-assertion, was the quality most despised by the Greeks. Sophrosyne was the exact opposite. It meant accepting the bounds which excellence lays down for human nature, restraining impulses to unrestricted freedom, to all excess, obeying the inner laws of harmony and proportion.
Arachne aqua@3.36<--Arachne and her story teach us to be mindful of the risks women, even extraordinarily talented women, take when they take the risk and speak out against the established order, the patriarchy in particular.
We are reminded to speak the truth no matter what but not out of pride or in an effort to "get ahead", but in the spirit of concern and love.

Kaali scorp@2.15
Pythia scorp@2.33
Lilith scorp@4.12<--independence or stubborn refusal to follow the rules
Uranus scorp@4.44

Sedna taurus@3.39<--betrayal by family...esp father
Lucina taurus@4.19<--childbirth

5.Saturn in Leo:
The generation that is virtually robbed of fame and flashy success by its karmic debts. We must strive for out and out Humanitarian thinking. Become "water bearers" and bear good news, good tidings and celebrate happy events of life than sharing only gloom and doom. We must learn to accept great ideas of others in a humble manner, and forgive any personal pricks and taunts. Dissolving grudges, sincere forgiveness and being as friendly as possible to the worst critic, this will liberate this generation the fastest.

My opposition point Sabian meaning--
(AQUARIUS 3°): A DESERTER FROM THE NAVY.
KEYNOTE: The individual's self-realization through a crucial repudiation of a collective status which has become unbearable.

This symbol recalls the one for Scorpio 21°(***My NN is scorp@21***), but the fact that actual "desertion" is emphasized and reference is made to "the Navy" suggests that the crisis symbolized here is one implying an irrevocable change of status. Man refuses to accept the type of cultural patterns derived from his society's specific approach to local circumstances and to the universe as a whole, and in another sense, from its particular relationship to the all-human collective Unconscious. (The Navy refers to the ocean, symbol of primordial and unconscious evolutionary forces.) He not only refuses to obey orders, he deliberately turns his back on his collective social status; he becomes an outcast, and through this decision he may definitely individualize his consciousness.

This is the third stage of the sixty-first five-fold sequence. Something with collective social value is being potentially destroyed, but nature is not the destroyer (as in the preceding symbol). Man, the individual, steps out of his bondage to collective patterns and ideals. He may thus "find himself' by means of a sharp renunciation of his social birthright, i.e. by a crucial process of DESOCIALIZATION.

Ok, im going to have to think about this when im not rushed.....

posted November 04, 2013 02:35 PM            

My T thing looks like a double T because I have two opposite to Saturn (7th) and two sets of squares to Pluto (11th). I haven't gotten into the asteroids yet, except Juno which is conjunct my Saturn less than a degree. The whole planets, house, aspects is already alot to get my head around. LOL. I'm just starting study.

Here are the biggies:

Saturn (taur) opposite Venus (scorpio) (7.53) h7/1
Saturn (taur) opposite Jupiter (scorpio) (3.25) h7/1
(of course Juno makes the same oppositions)

Moon (sag) square Pluto (virgo, cusp 29o) (2.51) h2/11
Mercury (sag) square Pluto (virgo cusp 29o) (3.37) h2/11

Did if forget any info?

posted November 04, 2013 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Gabby thanks for your reply.

My T thing looks like a double T because I have two opposite to Saturn (7th) and two sets of squares to Pluto (11th). I haven't gotten into the asteroids yet, except Juno which is conjunct my Saturn less than a degree. The whole planets, house, aspects is already alot to get my head around. LOL. I'm just starting study.

Here are the biggies:

Saturn (taur) opposite Venus (scorpio) (7.53) h7/1
Saturn (taur) opposite Jupiter (scorpio) (3.25) h7/1
(of course Juno makes the same oppositions)

Moon (sag) square Pluto (virgo, cusp 29o) (2.51) h2/11
Mercury (sag) square Pluto (virgo cusp 29o) (3.37) h2/11

Did if forget any info?

PS, thanks for the link. I'll read it now.

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Would you mind putting the degrees on your planets....im having trouble understanding, not sure if your saying the degrees you posted are the planets actual degrees or the planets degrees(orbs) apart from each other.
If you could list it like...
Saturn taurus@
Pluto virgo@
Its just what im familiar with and easier for me to read that way, thank you!

Double T square is called a Grand Cross...
T-square-
The t-square stimulates drive and courage, but also tension and conflict. The native can be very active and achievement-oriented, especially if this aspect pattern falls in cardinal or fixed signs, but much energy can be squandered in needless conflicts and frustrations. Cardinal T-squares can be very impatient, but also enterprising and initiating. Fixed T-squares can be persevering, but also stubborn, unyielding, or they can hold on to problems and frustrations for too long. Mutable T-squares can produce much restlessness, frequent whims, and frequent changes of mind, but can be very adept at adapting to circumstances.

posted November 04, 2013 03:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
If you google mindfire sabian symbols you will find a working libk to what LJ posted, Rudhyar's entire list is there!

Great resolution you achieved, Gabby!

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posted November 04, 2013 03:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
[B] Would you mind putting the degrees on your planets....im having trouble understanding, not sure if your saying the degrees you posted are the planets actual degrees or the planets degrees(orbs) apart from each other.
If you could list it like...
Saturn taurus@
Pluto virgo@

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Opps. those are the orbs, except the pluto which is 29deg virgo.

Saturn taurus @ 17deg opposite Venus Scorpio @ 9 deg (orb 7.53) h7/h1

Saturn taurus @ 17deg opposite Jupiter Scorpio @ 21 deg (orb 3.25) h7/h1

Juno Taurus @ 17 deg makes the same oppositions

Moon Sag @ 26deg square Pluto Virgo @ 29 deg (orb 2.51) h2/11

Mercury Sag @ 25 square Pluto Virgo @ 29 deg (orb 3.37) h2/h11

posted November 04, 2013 03:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Catalina:
I'm seeing two separate aspects, an opposition invokving multiple planets, and a square ditto...but not a tsquare or grand cross unless i'm missing something...

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I dont' have a "grand cross". I don't think. I have a T cross. It's not a big x in the middle of the chart.

The two opposites cross the two squares but over on the left side of the chart. Not down the middle.

Am i making stuff up? lol