posted December 25, 2013 08:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

Hi Cz1l1,

I wouldn't say that weak 5th house activation in synastry dooms a relationship. It depends on what someone's priorities are.

If you're curious about your own synastry, would you mind posting your charts? I could give you some examples then of the types of connections I'm talking about, plus a picture is worth a thousand words. It's hard for me to make sense of a whole bunch of placements written down sometimes.

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I am delighted/grateful that you would be willing to do this.

his:

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mine:

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posted December 26, 2013 01:40 AM            

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Originally posted by Cz1l1:
I am delighted/grateful that you would be willing to do this.

his:

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mine:

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I'll check it out.

I hope you don't mind me posting the charts here, it's easier for me if I can see them both. The places/date's of birth are not visible, but let me know if you want me to remove the images and I shall.

With out going into further detail, I can already see some amazing connections here in synastry between yours and his 5th, 7th, and 8th houses.

Guy

Girl

posted December 26, 2013 06:26 AM            

- Midpoint composite accurately shows how a relationship can become. But one has to take aspects between/to midpoints into consideration, and personally I consider 2º degrees max. for these aspects.

- We can't interpret each aspect as a complete separate thing - we have to consider the chart as whole and understand how aspects influence the manifestation of each other.

- Aspects between planets are very relevant compared to planetary house/sign positions. Someone with Moon/Venus conjunction for example is going to have softness even thought it is in a sign like Aries.

posted December 26, 2013 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by MsPrism:
I don't know if you've seen this Ceri and Lotis but it's absolutely 100% verifiable info on the marriage charts I've tested it against. Maybe you two could compare it to the charts you have to further test it's veracity.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/212733.html

[QUOTE][b]Originally posted by featherlightly:

I've spent the last 10+ years specifically studying relationship charts, and this is what I've noticed over and over in marriages and other long-term relationships, drawing on at least 500 - 600 charts I've looked at (if not more than that... I've lost count):

-Mars square (or sometimes conjunct) Saturn.
This pops up SO MUCH it's mind-boggling -- at least 85% of the married synastry charts I've looked at have it. I think it attests to the drive (Mars) for responsibility (Saturn) set in motion by the friction of the square. It's not often a pleasant aspect but it works like glue.

-When there's no hard Mars/Saturn aspect, there's almost always a conjunction between Saturn and the Sun or Saturn and the Ascendant.

(AriesLilith: oh yeah, Saturn/Mars and Saturn/Sun hard aspects, checked)

-Alignment of the angles. The most common is one person's AC conjunct the other's MC or IC. Less common but still occurring is AC conjunct AC and AC conjunct DC. I've noticed that with marriages, it's much more likely to be AC conjunct MC, whereas shorter-term relationships, or relationships people have when they're younger, involve AC conjunct AC or DC. I think this is because the MC/IC axis involves more than just attraction and represents inner/domestic life as well as public life, which tend to become more important in marriages.

(AriesLilith: AC cj DC, checked)

-There is usually at least one significant nodal conjunction (either with a planet or angle), but no consistency as to what that conjunction is. Node conjunct Saturn seems more common than node conjunct a personal planet, and nodes conjunct the angles (either AC/DC or IC/MC) also occur with some frequency.

-There is almost ALWAYS at least one planet/angle conjunction, often more. Conjunctions to the IC and MC are just as common, if not more so, than conjunctions to the AC and DC.

(AriesLilith: personal planet cj IC, checked)

-I have *not* noticed any of the classically "good" aspects like sun conjunct moon or Venus conjunct Mars appear in marriage synastry any more often than they would by chance. Sextiles between Venus and Mars are actually the most common aspect I've seen between those two planets, but often there is no aspect at all.

-I have seen many marriage synastries with no major sun/sun, sun/moon, or moon/moon aspects at all, and in these cases there's often a lot of Saturn action going on.

(AriesLilith: lack of nice Sun and Moon, and Venus and Mars aspects, checked)

-There is often a major, tight conjunction between a personal planet or angle and one of the following asteroids: Union, Amor, Valentine, Eros, or Psyche (or these asteroids will aspect each other). Eros/Psyche conjunctions aren't particularly common in marriages, but seem much more common in relationships that don't culminate in marriage.

(AriesLilith: checked!)

-Likewise, in the charts I've checked with name asteroids, there is often a significant conjunction of one person's name asteroid with the other person's name asteroid or personal planet, OR one (or both) people have the other person's name asteroid conjunct a personal planet in their natal chart, especially the sun. Sort of like finding this person was "written" into their chart from birth...

(AriesLilith: checked!)

-Chiron trine, sextile, or conjunct Venus is REALLY common. Chiron trine, sextile, or sun also occurs with some frequency.

(AriesLilith: Chiron sextile Sun, Chiron trine Venus, checked)

-Tight orbs don't seem to matter. When the relationships have sun/moon or moon/moon aspects, for instance, orbs of up to even 8 or 9 degrees seem to function just fine for compatibility. There usually are only a few aspects that are close to exact, and those aspects really set the tone of the marriage.

I have a theory that lots of tight aspects and exciting conjunctions eventually become too intense and uncomfortable, unless both people are VERY mature, and either cause two people to start repulsing each other or force the relationship to break apart for other reasons. This has been my experience time and time again. For a relationship to progress into a marriage, there needs to be some Saturn action, growth-oriented challenging aspects, a few nodal or angle connections, and significant progressions or transits to kick things off.

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posted December 26, 2013 08:26 AM            

The conjunction between 7th and 5th ruler, esp. in a conjunction, I have come to appreciate very much. It is such a sweet and lovely appreciative aspect.
The 7th house person (you) might be a bit more committed and oriented towards a partnership, the 5th house person is usuall not as committed, BUT - and that is a huge plust- simply said, usually 5th house aspects can make you feel quite smitten. There is a vivid spark, a playful, but nevertheless strong attraction.

I have yet to see relationships that started with that in-love-feelings, that do NOT have a connection to the 5th housese!

Well, I have seen it in my own, interestingly, but I am sure I am missing something there, as smitten as I am.
(my 5th house ruler is Venus, too, and has only this wide trine to the guy`s Mars-Jupiter-conjunction: 5 degrees; however as of now my pr Venus is applying to a quindecile with his natal Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, so maybe it is just a temporary thing - though I have been smitten with him for quite some time now. lol)

posted December 26, 2013 08:30 AM            

what is your observation about the quindecile in synastry?

I noticed that she has not that many strong aspects to HER 5th house ruler from his chart, taking the major ones into consideration.
But her 5th house ruler is quindecile his Sun.

Of course her Mars, traditional ruler of intercepted 5th house, is also opposite his Sun, so that would be two birds with one stone I suppose.

posted December 26, 2013 09:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow!
I did not look deep, but his 5th ruler (Venus) exactly conjunct your DESC-ruler (Saturn) JUMPED out at me instantly. Maybe cause it is conjunct my own ASC-Neptune-NN on 7-10 Sag. lol

The conjunction between 7th and 5th ruler, esp. in a conjunction, I have come to appreciate very much. It is such a sweet and lovely appreciative aspect.
The 7th house person (you) might be a bit more committed and oriented towards a partnership, the 5th house person is usuall not as committed, BUT - and that is a huge plust- simply said, usually 5th house aspects can make you feel quite smitten. There is a vivid spark, a playful, but nevertheless strong attraction.

I have yet to see relationships that started with that in-love-feelings, that do NOT have a connection to the 5th housese!

Well, I have seen it in my own, interestingly, but I am sure I am missing something there, as smitten as I am.
(my 5th house ruler is Venus, too, and has only this wide trine to the guy`s Mars-Jupiter-conjunction: 5 degrees; however as of now my pr Venus is applying to a quindecile with his natal Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, so maybe it is just a temporary thing - though I have been smitten with him for quite some time now. lol)

but anyway that was the first thing that caught my eye in your synastry. And not to forget it is also still a Venus-Saturn-conjunction, which is quite some (karmic) glue-aspect.

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You have no idea. I am pretty smitten, and it's the most challenging relationship I have ever been in, hence my need for another perspective. Oddly, my best friend has a venus/saturn conj with him and he does with her (not to mention a ton of other juicy connections - for another day), which could be a very interesting comparative study. Do i feel threatened? you betcha.

But with all that said, pluto is currently opposing my venus/asc. So, this is rock'n'rolling time for me in just about every aspect of my life. Thanks for your observations, so far. It's gratifying, oddly comforting, to know that i'm not alone.

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posted December 26, 2013 11:59 PM            

I’m back with an analysis for you.

But before I go ahead and do this I’ll explain a bit about what I’m doing, so that you can understand it more clearly since you mentioned you’re new at this.

Okay, so the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in our natal charts are meant to describe the type of person we’re most drawn to in three different relationship areas, romantic sparks/admiration (the 5th house), partnership and affection/liking (the 7th house), and intimacy/private bond (the 8th house).

Synastry wise, when another person aspects the rulers of these houses, places planets in them, or aspects our natal planets in these houses, it can attract us to their energy.

These houses also work on a purely symbolic level. If someone’s natal chart resembles one of these houses they can appeal to us even if they don’t have any planets in that house or aspecting the ruler of that house. An example would be have Uranus in the 7th house and being attracted to Aquarians, even though such an Aquarian doesn’t have any planets in our 7th house, or aspect the ruler of our 7th house.

Usually we’re drawn to people who are a mixture of these two things… They embody the symbolism of these houses, AND they have planets in these houses (planets in these houses is actually a mixture of both a symbolism match and a direct synastry match) or planets aspecting the rulers of these houses. If the partner puts planets in our natal 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, it works best if those planets also aspect our chart so that we can FEEL them.

People’s planets activating our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses show whether or not someone is our ‘type’ in terms of personality and style. But aspects between planets is what generates chemistry between people.

Now on with the reading,

I’ll start by going over how you resonate with Mr. Capricorn’s taste

Okay so Mr. Capricorn has a Gemini Dsc ruled by Mercury at 9 Aquarius… And this shows the type of energy he looks for in a mate.

You match this very nicely, you have your Sun in Gemini sitting right in his 7th house, and your Moon at 11 Aquarius conjunct his 7th house ruler Mercury. This aspect would generate good communication and natural affection between you. He likely just likes to be around you and witness the way you are, since you resonate so well with his 7th house.

The Gemini Sun you put in his 7th house sextiles his Pluto in Leo in his 8th house. This aspect is a sign of a deep emotional bond/trust between you, and physical attraction.

Your Mercury being in the sign Gemini is a symbolic match to his 7th house by sign, even if Mercury doesn’t actually fall into the 7th house.

Your Venus conjunct Asc in Cancer falls into his 7th house. Both the Asc and Venus in a partner's 7th house are said to be a classic signs of attraction in synastry. Your way of self-expression, and relating, would fit well with his partnership needs, and would be part of what attracts him to you. This is a very warm and loving connection.

Mr. Capricorn also has Taurus on the 5th house cusp ruled by Venus in Sagittarius, and Cancer on the 8th house cusp ruled by Moon in Scorpio. Jupiter and Uranus are conjunct the 8th house and Pluto is in the 8th house too.

With regard to the 5th house, you have no Taurus planets but your Saturn in Sagittarius is conjunct his 5th house ruler Venus by less then a degree… Ceri mentioned this earlier, and I agree with her that this is a VERY significant connection between the two of you. This is because as person with a Capricorn Dsc Saturn, in your 7th house ruler, and a relationship planet in your case. Saturn is like a second ’Venus’ for you. Saturn/Venus aspects are not typically ‘popular’ in astrology, and they can indicate a kind of ‘holding back’ between people. Especially on the part of the Saturn person. Maybe you felt you needed to overcome some personal barriers in order to reach our to him in a loving way, even if the affectionate feelings were there on the inside.

However with Saturn as your 7th house ruler and Venus as his 5th house ruler, a conjunction between the two of these is a very good sign for chemistry in love. The 5th house is in charge of romantic sparks and admiration in love relationships. With your Saturn/7th house ruler conjunct his 5th house ruler it’s likely that he fell for you for your dedicated nature (where he‘s concerned), and the way that you are able to relate to him.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow!
I did not look deep, but his 5th ruler (Venus) exactly conjunct your DESC-ruler (Saturn) JUMPED out at me instantly. Maybe cause it is conjunct my own ASC-Neptune-NN on 7-10 Sag. lol

The conjunction between 7th and 5th ruler, esp. in a conjunction, I have come to appreciate very much. It is such a sweet and lovely appreciative aspect.
The 7th house person (you) might be a bit more committed and oriented towards a partnership, the 5th house person is usual not as committed, BUT - and that is a huge plust- simply said, usually 5th house aspects can make you feel quite smitten. There is a vivid spark, a playful, but nevertheless strong attraction.

I have yet to see relationships that started with that in-love-feelings, that do NOT have a connection to the 5th housese!

but anyway that was the first thing that caught my eye in your synastry. And not to forget it is also still a Venus-Saturn-conjunction, which is quite some (karmic) glue-aspect.

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I agree with these points.

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Originally posted by Cz1l1:
You have no idea. I am pretty smitten, and it's the most challenging relationship I have ever been in, hence my need for another perspective. Oddly, my best friend has a venus/saturn conj with him and he does with her (not to mention a ton of other juicy connections - for another day), which could be a very interesting comparative study. Do i feel threatened? you betcha.

But with all that said, pluto is currently opposing my venus/asc. So, this is rock'n'rolling time for me in just about every aspect of my life. Thanks for your observations, so far. It's gratifying, oddly comforting, to know that i'm not alone.

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I wouldn’t worry about your friends synastry with him. Part of what makes the Venus/Saturn aspect between you so significant is that in your case Saturn rules your 7th house, and Venus rules his 7th house. These are both relationship/romance oriented houses. It’s not just the planetary aspects between charts that matter, but also the CONTEXT put on those aspects due to house placements, and aspects to house rulers.

Back to the reading,

You having Venus at 11 Cancer conjunct your Asc at 13 Cancer matches symbolically to his having Taurus on the 5th house cusp. Venus is the ruler of Taurus, and with this planet conjunct your Asc, it would influence your self-expression/style to have a Venus-like flavor.

Your Moon is also sextile his 5th house ruler Venus, this aspects increases the warmth and affection between you, and from his side likely appreciates you sensitive, nurturing side.

Which brings me to my next topic… With regard to Mr. Capricorn’s 8th house, you have your Mars and Venus in the sign on his 8th house cusp, with your Mars falling into his 8th house. From his 8th house your Mars opposes his 2nd house Capricorn Sun, and conjuncts his Cancer Uranus/Jupiter conjunction (He nataly has Sun opposite the Jupiter/Uranus conjunction). Your Mars in his 8th house/ aspecting the Sun does indicate a physical attraction. Your Mars conjunct his Jupiter/Uranus indicates that he my enjoy he free and excited way he feels around you, but at times there may be disagreements with the opposition to his Sun being activated.

Your Mars in his 8th house indicates that the way you assert/act inclines him to want to get close to you. The 8th house is the house of private trust and intimacy between partners. With Uranus/Jupiter in the 8th house, he would be attracted not only to your Cancer planets, but also symbolically to your Aquarius Moon (co-ruled by Uranus and Saturn), which is co-ruled by Saturn in Sagittarius.

posted December 27, 2013 12:01 AM            

Now I’ll go into how Mr. Capricorn resonates with your taste…

Cz1l1, you have Capricorn on the 7th house cusp ruled by Saturn in Sagittarius, and you would find yourself attracted to people with Capricorn/Sagittarius energy in their charts. When someone aspects your Saturn it may inspire your affection…

He is a Capricorn Sun with both the Asc and Venus in Sagittarius, and he likely has many traits that fit your taste. You may very much enjoy being around him and just watching him in action.

And as mentioned before Mr. Capricorn’s Venus is exactly conjunct your 7th house ruler Saturn. This is a potent part of the pull between you and shows mutual affection. Since I don’t want to keep repeating myself on this point I’ll leave it at that.

His Sun in Capricorn sits right in your 7th house, just like your Sun in Gemini sits in his 7th house, showing that you both see each other as suitable partners in terms of temperament/personality.

You also both have a major planet conjunct each other’s 7th house rulers… Your Moon conjuncts his 7th house ruler, and his Venus conjunctions your 7th house ruler. You both undoubtedly feel that you are very complimentary to each other and that the two of you balance each other out in a way. What qualities one of you feels they may lack the other has in abundance.

His Mercury in Aquarius sextile your 7th house ruler indicates that you feel you’re relationship needs are understood by him for the most part, and at the very least you are able to talk about what needs to be done in various situations. Interestingly his natal Aquarius Mercury sextile his Sagittarius Venus sits right on top of your natal Aquarius Moon sextile Sagittarius Saturn. The two of you have the same aspect with different planets involved. In certain areas, there is so much similarity, and shared points of view, that it amazes you… But in other ways the two of you couldn’t be more different.

(I’m straying away from the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses for a bit to go into some important synastry points between you)

I notice the His Sun at 25 Capricorn is exactly quincunx your Sun at 25 Gemini. The quincunx is an awkward, uncomfortable aspect, where two people are required to make exceptions and adjustments for each other because there’s something about their energy dynamic together that just doesn’t seem to fit right. Sometimes you may feel as if you just don’t get where the other is coming form, or that there is a mismatch in intentions (the Sun rules our sense of purpose). This aspect is not the end of the world but it is something you need to be aware of. Despite certain points of common ground, in other ways the two of you may feel like an ‘odd’ couple together. Although, it is also likely that you do find each other intriguing, and spend a good deal of time trying to figure each other out.

This feeling of being a bit ‘odd’ together is further mirrored by the fact that your Venus at 11 Cancer is quincunx his Venus at 9 Sagittarius by 2 degrees. It’s a Venus/Venus aspect as so, again, it indicates attraction, affection, and curiosity about each other. But due to the nature of the quincunx aspect it also indicates a vague uncomfortable feeling to your connection at times, and the need to make adjustments and accommodations for the other person’s style of behavior, which may sometimes be confusing or somehow not make sense (both confusion and intrigue are characteristics or the quincunx aspect). The two of you both have Venus as you 5th house rulers (you have Libra on the 5th, he has Taurus on the 5th), and with you 5th house rulers in quincunx there’s a kooky sort of chemistry here. It can be a little indirect, even sneaky (in a playful way), and you may take turns probing at each other as part of your way of flirting.

There are some aspects in your synastry that can help compensate for the Sun/Sun and Venus/Venus quincunxes that the two of you have. Your Mars at 26 Cancer opposite his Sun at 25 Capricorn enables you to be very direct and to the point with him, and your Jupiter at 23 Virgo trines his Sun which creates shared humor, laughter, joy and positivity between you. And his Pluto at 26 Leo sextile your Sun at 25 Gemini (which I’ve mentioned earlier) motivates him to understand you at a deep level, and strengthens the loyalty and sense of emotional closeness between you.

Your Mc/Ic Axis at 22 Pisces/Virgo makes harmonious aspects to his Sun at 25 Capricorn and Jupiter/Uranus at 24-25 Cancer opposition. The Mc/Ic Axis is the Axis of reputation/career Vs home/privacy. So he might fit quite well with your situation in life.

His Mc/Ic Axis at 8 Aries/Libra makes harmonious aspects to your Mercury at 6 Gemini, and Moon at 11 Aquarius, again you a degree of harmony with his situation in life.

His Venus makes nice aspects to your Saturn and Moon, while your Venus trines his Part Of Fortune at 12 Pisces. This indicates that your social skills/connections may be fortunate/Lucky for him in some way (his Part Of Fortune also trines your Asc at 13 Cancer).

Also, the two of you have your Gemini Mercury trine his Aquarius Mercury at 3 degrees of orb, witch is another good sign that you can tune into each other mentally quite well, that that you’re able to use the good communication between you to work any potential issues out.

Along with this, the two of you also have your Jupiter at 23 Virgo sextile his Jupiter at 24 Cancer. This is very helpful in that it indicates that the two of you share a lot of the same morels, values, opinions and beliefs, as well as an ability to laugh and things together, and to see to positive side of things.

(Okay, back to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses in synastry)

So Cz1l1, in your chart, you have 29 Libra on the 5th house cusp ruled by Venus in Cancer, with Neptune in the 5th house and all of the sign Scorpio sitting in the 5th house. And you have Aquarius on the 8th house cusp ruled by Uranus in Leo and Saturn in Sagittarius, with your Aquarius Moon in the 8th house.

Mr. Capricorn matches quite well to your 5th house. His has Moon and Saturn (which rules his Capricorn Sun) in Scorpio sitting in your 5th house.

Your Neptune in the 5th house is conjunct his Moon/Neptune conjunction, which matches to the symbolism of you having Neptune in the 5th house… His Moon/Neptune conjunction would give him some Neptunian personality characteristics (perhaps a sensitive nature, an imagination, or a love of art). The conjunction is out-of-sign (Neptune 28 Libra to Moon 0 Scorpio) but still so close by degree that it will be felt by him. This part of his personality will resonate strongly with you, and attract you to him (Scorpio moon conjunct Libra Neptune). Your moon in the 8th house matches very well to his Moon in Scorpio on a symbolic level to, there would be an affinity here.

One very significant connection here, is that his Saturn in Scorpio is exactly conjunct your 5th house Scorpio North Node. This indicates to me that you respect him, and feel that he is able to teach you things, and ways of being, that don’t come automatically to you but that you feel you need to learn about. He seems to know things that resonate with where you are headed in life, and to help you forward in some way. This about him would impress you, and attract you as well.

With regard to your 8th house, his Mercury in Aquarius conjuncts your Moon in Aquarius in the 8th house (his 7th house ruler falls into your 8th house, which is a nice synastry tie), and his Venus conjuncts your 8th house co-ruler Venus in Sagittarius (his 5th house ruler conjunct your 8th house ruler is another nice synastry tie). He has a way of communicating towards you that makes you feel safe opening up to him about personal things, and his affectionate nature enhances this type of communication between you.

His Cancer Jupiter/Uranus conjunction symbolically matches well with your Aquarius Moon being in the 8th house (the Moon rules Cancer and it’s in Aquarius which is co-ruled by Uranus

Overall, he matches very well with your 5th, 7th, and 8th house patterns as well. His Capricorn Sun and Aquarius Mercury match with the 7th, and 8th houses. His Sagittarius Asc and Venus match with your 7th house ruler, and his Scorpio Sun and Moon fall into your 5th house.

Another good thing to note is how the yours and his 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers interact quite a lot…

Mr. Capricorn
5th house ruler is Venus at 9 Sagittarius.
7th house ruler Mercury at 9 Aquarius.
8th house ruler Moon at 0 Scorpio.

Cz1l1
5th house ruler Venus at 11 Cancer
7th house ruler Saturn at 9 Sagittarius
8th house co-rulers Uranus at 4 Leo and Saturn at 9 Sagittarius

The Aquarius, Sagittarius, and Cancer house rulers here interact quite a bit here though conjunctions, sextiles and quincunxes. There’s stuff happening here. Oh, and quincunxes may be a little difficult but at least there’s a connection there, and an awareness of the other person, even if it’s about figuring out how to best accommodate them, and understand better what makes them tick (I don’t believe quincunxes are all bad).

posted December 27, 2013 01:11 AM            

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Originally posted by OzMeg22278:
My personal experience from looking at hundreds of charts (pretty much everyone I know!) is I really dislike how venus in Gemini manifests itself... Just personal opinion, obviously!

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posted December 27, 2013 03:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Lotis,

what is your observation about the quindecile in synastry?

I noticed that she has not that many strong aspects to HER 5th house ruler from his chart, taking the major ones into consideration.
But her 5th house ruler is quindecile his Sun.

Of course her Mars, traditional ruler of intercepted 5th house, is also opposite his Sun, so that would be two birds with one stone I suppose.

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Hi Ceri,

I love quindeciles. Yes, I think they are valid just like the traditional aspects. I also love quintiles, and think that semi-squares and sesquiquadrates are valid.

When I do reading online there's always so much information available that looking up the more non-traditional aspects would take up too much time and effort.

Her (Cz1l1) 5th house ruler makes quincunxes to Mr. Capricorn’s Mercury and Venus, and His Moon and Saturn fall into her 5th house.

Quincunxes are an uncomfortable yet intriguing aspects. They indicate a connection that is somewhat strained, but that also inspires curiosity, and a tendency to want to wiggle around with someone until you find the right way to bridge your differences with them. A connection would be there but it would be compounded by this, and it’s not ideal but it’s still an energy link to her 5th house.

I felt that this combined with his Moon and Saturn in her 5th would be enough to generate chemistry… And his Saturn is conjunct his North Node on the same degree!

posted December 27, 2013 03:43 AM            

Oh, and I think you asked me about the East Point/ West Point Axis before.

This is from another thread I wrote on this topic some time ago…

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Yes, the 'East Point' is not really an east point in the truest sense of the word. The East Point is where our Ascendant would be if we were born exactly on the equator, upwards on downwards from our place of birth. If we were born on the equator then the East Point is exactly the same as our Asc. The East Point is not at all the same thing as the Vertex. 'Equatorial Asc' is actually a better name for it. It usually falls into our 1st or 12th house...

But like the Vertex/Antivertex Axis, the East point makes a pair with the West Point, which is where our Dsc would be if we were born on the equator.

I always check out the East Point/West Point Axis. Sadly, it seems to be a largely neglected Axis!

By comparison...

The Vertex Axis has to do with a feeling of fatedness, synchronicity, and wish fulfillment… Vertex Axis synastry adds a 'meant to be' to vibe to the relationship, and a feeling that there is meaning and significance to it.

Whereas the East Point/West Point Axis relates to our idealized notions of how things should be, our personal biases, and our unconscious self-evaluation. This Axis is associated with our personal ideals of paradise and perfection, skewed or not (depends on the person). Synastry involving the East Point/West Point Axis supposedly gives the feeling that the other person is 'perfect' in some way. Or that they behave in just the 'right' way. Or that they fit how people in general are ideally 'supposed' to be.

Synastry with this this Axis also shows how others influence our subjective self-evaluation, when comparing ourselves to people who aspect our Ep/Wp, and adopting or disgarding arbitrary biases (personal likes/disllikes).

If the Vertex Axis is the 'axis of fate', then the Ep/Wp is the axis of 'biased Views on perfection'. 'Bias' is not always a bad word. Most people have certain things that they favor over other things in various areas of life. It's natural to have favorites and pet peeves, as well as our own personal views on what 'perfection' is. The Ep/Wp Axis gives us a direct astrological line to these preferences.

This is a part of an essay I read on the net by astrologer Michael Munkasey called “The Personal Sensitive Points (PSPs) of Astrology”. It deals with the East Point/Equatorial Ascendant as well as some other interesting points to explore in the natal chart... Ascendant(ASC), Descendant(DSC), MC, IC, Vertex, Antivertex, North Node, South Node, Polar Asc, Polar Dsc, Co-Ascendant, Co-Descedant, as well as what the zero degrees Aries point means in our chart.

There's a free astrology software called astrowin, that calculates all of these points (it also does a large variety of other astro-calculations). I downloaded it years ago, and have been using it ever since.

Anyway, here's the quote about the Ep...

“There is a part of our mind where we go to relax, take stock of what is happening, evaluate life and our attitudes, perhaps even form new attitudes. The prejudices we were taught, or the prejudices we were born with, reside in the EQA region of mind. It is here that we go when we are half-asleep or half-awake to formulate impressions of how we are performing or progressing in life. The EQA is where we go to evaluate self and life and how self is reacting to life. The EQA represents idea and image formation, or idea birth. The EQA is where we go to evaluate self. The EQA is where we go to evaluate how we "think" others do or do not accept us. Many of the reactions that go on at the EQA level are only half-conscious. Self-evaluation is an important concept for the EQA.”

http://astrolog.offline.ee/astrolog/texts/psp.txt
Here's the Link.

Yeah, I strongly suspect that the EP (Equatorial Asc, or Eastern Point), like the Vertex, is an important point in the chart that can be very compelling when people touch it… The EP shows where our personal biases are, and how others influence our self evaluation…

So in synastry it would show how others resonate with our arbitrary biases in some way when they aspect our EP, and vice versa when we aspect their EP…. Like both people have the same social standards of what type behavior is acceptable or not, or they just happen to think that maroon is better than pink, or think that one type of accent sounds better than another, or they agree that long hair is better then short hair….

Positive EP synastry, at least, would have a positive effect on our self evaluation… because, in theory, our personal biases of what is considered good or bad, or positive or negative… Would be supported, and re-enforced, by the people who conjoin or positively aspect the EP. These people would validate us in our personal beliefs….

Perhaps negative aspects to the EP would have an opposite effect…. The feeling of having your personal biases unappreciated or invalidated?

I think it’s interesting to compare the EP to the Vertex in terms of influence to get a ‘feel’ for how each one works differently…

The Vertex is about the people and times in our lives where we experience meaningful turning points. And it has a very electric, poignant, exciting feel to it….. The EP, on the other hand, seems to be about where we need validation for our personal preferences, biases, and conceptions of how things ‘should be‘…. And it seems to have more of a soothing, confirming, bolstering quality to it…. It’s like a sigh of contentment and relief when it gets activated in synastry.

The Vertex stirs up change, infatuations, and the feeling that your life is unfolding towards some important destination ….while the EP lulls you into contentment, giving the feeling that your subjective standards are being met, or that something, or someone, are just as they’re ‘supposed’ to be….(or perhaps not as they are ‘supposed’ to be, if the aspect to the EP is a square. Oppositions to the EP could potentially be positive just like oppositions to the Vertex are, because of the connection to the axis itself as a whole).

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Here’s the link to the thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/221608.html

The East Point is also mentioned in this thread http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206840.htm

And on this one http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/211987.html

You can also find it at astro.com!
Choose > Extended Chart Selection > Pullen/Astrolog > Aspect/Midpoint Grid Chart > Add Lilith *somehow that shows up as EP*

& there you have it!

For some odd reason it shows up when Lilith is selected. There must be something incorrectly linked in the system because the EP isn't even listed in the drop-down list for the Pullen/Astrolog section. I know it's my EP that shows though, because it's the same degree as the EP I calculated using different software. Oh well, now everybody has an easy way to calculate their Ep... Go to the Pullen/Astrolog section at astro.com.

posted December 27, 2013 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Hi Ceri,

I love quindeciles. Yes, I think they are valid just like the traditional aspects. I also love quintiles, and think that semi-squares and sesquiquadrates are valid.

When I do reading online there's always so much information available that looking up the more non-traditional aspects would take up too much time and effort.

Her (Cz1l1) 5th house ruler makes quincunxes to Mr. Capricorn’s Mercury and Venus, and His Moon and Saturn fall into her 5th house.

Quincunxes are an uncomfortable yet intriguing aspects. They indicate a connection that is somewhat strained, but that also inspires curiosity, and a tendency to want to wiggle around with someone until you find the right way to bridge your differences with them. A connection would be there but it would be compounded by this, and it’s not ideal but it’s still an energy link to her 5th house.

I felt that this combined with his Moon and Saturn in her 5th would be enough to generate chemistry… And his Saturn is conjunct his North Node on the same degree!

However, thanks for pointing out the quindecile between her Venus/5th house ruler and his Sun (I never would have bothered to look it up). I remember reading that quindecile’s have an obsessive-compulsive type quality about them, where we keep coming back to the same topic and analyzing it over and over again. So his Sun would compulsively drawn to her Venus, and her Venus (5th house ruler) would be compulsively drawn to his Sun. She might be fascinated with his personality, and he might be fascinated with her feminine qualities. This is awesome, it adds an extra demension to the comparison that may otherwise have not been noticed.

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posted December 27, 2013 09:45 PM            

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posted December 27, 2013 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Cz1l1:
well, you are truly amazing. oddly, we had a terrible fight today and am not certain if things will work out between us, but the gist of what you noted is right on the money - lots of chemistry, and when we do get along (that darn Mars opposite his Sun), we enjoy each other very much - he can make me laugh until my stomach hurts. I had to chuckle when you noted that merc/venus and moon/saturn overlay. Yep - so much in common vs who are you? The quindecile aspect is interesting - there is (or was) an undercurrent of obsession from both ends, but i chalked that up to both of us being very intense (and bullheaded) individuals. Just as a note - both venuses dispose to Virgo houses. And our composite Venus is in Virgo, near the cusp of the relational axis. It's almost as if the quincunxes worked themselves out. And, while I don't have any active Taurus in my chart, my Juno is at 0 degree Taurus - opposite his moon. Anyway, I am having a very Plutonian year - much change, personally and otherwise, so who knows? thanks again for your very wise and astute analysis (and to you too, Ceri). Much to chew on.

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Hi Cz1l1,

Thanks so much for your response. It's good to know the reading resonated with you, it's always good to know if your interpretation style is hitting the right mark. So sorry to hear about the fight with your guy. Hope things work well for you one way or another.

It's interesting that his Moon is opposite your Juno.

Juno is said to represent the requirements we need in order to want to commit to someone (it's like an echo of the 7th house), and also says something about how accessorize/decorate ourselves in order to attract a partner. With Juno in Taurus you'd do this in a Taurus-like way.

Yes, I've noticed the asteroid Juno involved in attraction before. Sometimes it's our Juno sign that pops up in the partner's chart, other times It's significant synastry with our Juno (or the partner's Juno) that shows up in a comparison.

Juno seems to be one of those asteroids that's more important in our attraction pattern then I would have thought. In Prince Williams chart that only part of his attraction pattern that matches Kate's Capricorn Sun sign, it that fact that he has Juno in Capricorn. While her Moon in Cancer falls into his 7th or 8th house.

I've also noticed that Eros and Psyche (the asteroids) can be quite significant in attraction synastry as well. They are like mini versions of Venus and Mars, and show little details about the kind of style we like, and they're fairly potent in synastry too.

posted December 28, 2013 02:00 AM            

Once you do meet someone and the two of you are interacting the synastry kicks in.. and every aspect has its own vibe, so everything works together, simultaneously.

You can't separate one aspect from another. For instance, if you have Moon conjunct Moon that shows emotional empathy and understanding for each other... but lets say one of the two people has Moon square Saturn - so the other person's Moon is likewise square their Saturn in synastry ---- it's more than likely that the two will never relate to a textbook interpretation of Moon conj Moon - found on say cafeastrology.com or any other astro site.

That's why it is important to look at natal patterns - then the synastry and also transits and progressions - not to mention the composite chart. It takes a long while to figure out what the vibe between two people might be and how they can best learn to get along or co-exist or work together.

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They say things like "oh, I'm super attracted to him because we have x,y, or z in synastry" when they could have all of that and then some with another person and not give a d*mn about them.

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Any aspect can play out in a variety of different ways, but some are more sexual than others. That does not mean that they will always play out in a sexual way.
There are siblings who have Venus conjunct Mars in synastry - and are not attracted and have not had sex.
Here is an article about it: http://starlightknightastrology.com/2008/08/17/venus-conjunct-mars-in-synastry/

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If you have an Astological background, the first thought will be of a sexual nature. We have been taught over and over that Venus and Mars speak to our sexuality. And it does sometimes. But often the conjunction (or other aspects) involve family members, friends, co workers, peers, others in life that we don’t immediatly feel we need to peel off our clothes and do the wild thing.

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I have a daughter with Mars in Gemini and a son with his Venus in Gemini at the exact degree. Those two are never quiet and are quite destructive when they get together. They are also hilarious and come up with amazing schemes together. I suspect they egg each other on… like when they flooded the back yard during winter trying to make a skating rink, or the hand prints I can’t even paint over when they made a paste trying to climb the walls like spiderman. There is a closeness to them that amazes most people. When they were younger in school, if they passed each other in the hallway, they would break out of lines just to go hug one another. The teachers were always telling me such stories. What other’s didn’t see where the conflict times and the passions involved with that. Can those two argue!

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posted December 28, 2013 02:07 AM            

Please if two people have sun conjunct sun they are going to feel it hard....may be positive or negative but it's going to be impactful

posted December 31, 2013 05:48 PM            

Hi, Lotis,

Great comments like I expected.

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Originally posted by Lotis White:
Awesome post meissieri!

Aspects to the 5th, 7th, and 8th house rulers are very significant, yes. There used to be a poster on this forum who had the 7th house ruler square Saturn, and she used to be married to a Capricorn (I think her name was ‘My Virgo Mask’). I’ve also seen a pair of synastry charts where one person had an Aries Dsc ruled by Mars in Cancer conjunct Saturn, and they too were married to a Cap (even though the 7th house ruler/Saturn conjunction occurred in Capricorn’s opposite sign, Cancer).

And it totally makes sense that if Jupiter were conjunct the 7th house ruler, that the house that Jupiter rulers would also be significantly tied to our relationship pattern. Like if Jupiter ruled the 6th house, we might be preoccupied with finding a partner who is very helpful with practical duties, as well as finding one who is enthusiastic, warm-hearted, and intellectual (Sag/Jupiter traits).

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Yes, exactly, those aspects are so powerful. If they are so tightly connected to the ruler, they would have quite some influence over how you're expressing or seeking our your Descendant. Like in your example, it completely takes over from their Cancer influence. Do you think the outer planets especially tend to do that? Saturn's pretty heavy energy, I imagine it changes a lot about what someone wants in a partner.

I love your blend of Sag/Jupiter and the 6th house. That was exactly what I was thinking of when I wrote that. The ruler aspects other houses, which are all ruled by planets. With that conjunction to Mercury, which rules my 9th and 12th house, I think I'm getting a better idea of what type of person would fit my 7th house pattern best, together with the sign on the cusp. It gives me this:
7th sign: Aries
7th house ruler in Virgo
Ruler conj. Mercury (Gemini/Virgo)
Ruler conj. ruler of the 9th (Sagittarius/Jupiter) and 12th (Pisces/Neptune - and traditionally ruled by Sagittarius again). It made me take another look at the sextile my Mars made to Jupiter (in the 9th to boot!), which I had kind of dismissed up to this point.

The 11th house (and a trine from Mars to Uranus) would point me into the direction of Aquarius, but as an air void, I find it very hard to connect to them. I'm going to follow my own example here saying I prefer an aspect to my Uranus over planets in Aquarius. The cusp of my 11th falls in Leo and they are very easy to talk to for me - I get their energy being one myself. I'm starting to think this may be a better match for me as well, again something I hadn't really thought of before.

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Originally posted by Kerosene:
Of course synastry matters what a joke.
It's two NATAL BIRTH CHARTS interacting together........

Please if two people have sun conjunct sun they are going to feel it hard....may be positive or negative but it's going to be impactful

Hmm might as well argue about the legitimacy of astrology because synastry very much apart of astrology

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