posted December 16, 2013 09:32 PM            

He figured this out by himself from watching people and looking at the charts.

I have several of these that I will share. Add some of your own, please!

Chiron conj the ASC is severe bullying in all the cases I have seen.

Lilith conj the ASC or MC is always a super sexy looking person.

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posted December 16, 2013 10:00 PM            

The only aspect I have with lilith and MC is a sextile.

posted December 16, 2013 10:57 PM            

This is something I've noticed through a lot of observation (I've been studying astrology for about 20 years now, and am self-taught). Anyone familiar with my posts will know what I'm talking about (I tend to rave about this topic).

My theory is that...

The sign on the cusp of a house tells what we experience in that area of life in TWO different ways.

Our experiences with that area of life can embody the symbolism of that house itself... Or they can embody the symbolism of the house traditionally associated with that the sign on the cusp of that house.

For example (in case you don't get my meaning)...

If a person has Gemini on the 7th house cusp, with Jupiter in that house, they may attract a mate with strong Mercury/Jupiter characteristics, or someone who puts placements in the 7th house itself.

AND...

Because the sign Gemini is on the 7th house cusp, this means they are attracted to having strong communication in their relationships. So, a person with Gemini on the 7th house cusp could ALSO attract a partner with who puts planets in their 3rd house, or whose chart very much resembles the symbolism of their 3rd house (Gemini is traditonally associated with the 3rd house). These people would seem like natural partners to someone with Gemini on the 7th house cusp, as they'd bring intellectual stimulation into the Gemini Dsc person's life, which is what they're looking for and are attracted to.

If the person has a Taurus Dsc, rather then a Gemini one, they may be attracted to a Taurus-like person (where the partner would put planets in their 7th house), or to a partner resembling their 2nd house (Where the partner would put planets in their 2nd house).

Conclusion: Gemini Dsc could mean attraction to Gemini/Mercury's sign... Or it could mean attraction to the sign on the 3rd house cusp, and sign of the ruler of the 3rd house (We'd look at any planets in the 7th or 3rd houses as well).

A Taurus Dsc could mean attraction to Taurus/Venus' sign... Or it could mean attraction to the sign on the 2nd house cusp, and the sign of the ruler of the 2nd house (We'd look at any planets in the 7th or 2nd houses as well).

See the pattern?

I refer to this as the Secondary 7th house (or the secondary house cusp, as this method can be used with any of the 12 houses to explore the issues of that house in further detail). The Secondary Dsc is the house traditionally associated with the sign on the 7th house.

In terms of what we attract, it go either way. Sometimes people attract partners whose natal charts resemble both the 7th house and the secondary 7th house.

Myself, I've got a Gemini Dsc with Jupiter int the 7th house ruled my Mercury in Sagittarius. I'm attracted to Gemini (Mercury)/Sagittarius (Jupiter) types (especially Sagittarius) a lot. However I have Aquarius on the 3rd house cusp, ruled by Uranus in Scorpio, and I'm sometimes find myself quite fascinated with people who have lots of Aquarius and/or Scorpio influences in their chart.

As I mentioned before, this method can be used on any house in the chart to explore that area of life more fully. It's not just for the 7th house. In romantic compatibility, for instance, I'll also look at the secondary 5th (romantic sparks) and 8th houses (private intimacy) in synastry. I'll look at synastry planets in houses (overlays), and how the ruler of these houses is aspected by the partner in synastry, for both the primary and secondary 5th, 7th, and 8th houses (These are soooo interesting to check people!).

If you wanted you could even check more mundane 'boring' houses, like the 6th house, and it's secondary house, if you wanted to know more about your daily routines/work style/employment/health. If you had Cancer on the 6th house cusp, you could check out the 4th house for extra information on 6th house concerns in your chart.

To determine Secondary houses (for any of the twelve houses)

Aries House Cusp… Look to the 1st House.

Taurus House Cusp… Look to the 2nd House.

Gemini House Cusp… Look to the 3rd House

Cancer House Cusp… Look to the 4th House

Leo House Cusp… Look to the 5th House

Virgo House Cusp… Look to the 6th House

Libra House Cusp… Look to the 7th House

Scorpio House Cusp… Look to the 8th House

Sagittarius House Cusp … Look to the 9th House

Capricorn House Cusp … Look to the 10th House

Aquarius House Cusp… Look to the 11th House

Pisces House Cusp… Look to the 12th House

posted December 16, 2013 11:14 PM            

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posted December 17, 2013 03:33 AM            

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The main thing I have noticed is synastry cannot tell you if two people are going to be attracted to each other . Which makes synastry charts next to useless IMO .

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Are synastry charts purported to tell if two people are going to be attracted to each other?

posted December 17, 2013 03:54 AM            

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Are synastry charts purported to tell if two people [b]are going to be attracted to each other?

Synastries have never been an area of my interest, but that much I know - No, they aren't. Which makes your "deduction" not next to but downright useless IMO. [/B]

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posted December 17, 2013 04:07 AM            

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Moon square mars- The person I know with this aspect is really cocky and demands respect . Volatile , blows up if not shown respect or treated with high honor.

I also have this placement but for some reason do not act the same way as the person mentioned above. lol I've actually noticed a lot of inconsistencies in aspect readings that lead me to believe there is more that I am not calculating in; and that perhaps one day I'll be able to figure it out lol

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posted December 17, 2013 07:01 AM            

Some that come to mind:

1. Planets in composite 12th house are not (as a general rule) what they are said to be; for example the Moon in 12th house in composite happens quite often, and is not indicative of a "doomed" relationship at all.
Not yet completely sure why that is, just noticed how often it comes up in stable loving longterm marriages and relationships.
Venus in 12th house, too, but observed it a little less often.

Maybe the feeling planets can cope with the 12th house better than something like Mars would (I noticed that Mars in 12th composite house is a not so good thing to have).

2. the natal script determines the experience of synastry.

3. the angles operate as "manifestation-level", so planets on the angles get very visible and noteable, this is true for all kind of charts.

A synastric aspect closely tied to the angles, you will notice.

posted December 17, 2013 12:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
I was talking to someone today who gave me a whole new understanding of the Saggi moon.

He figured this out by himself from watching people and looking at the charts.

I have several of these that I will share. Add some of your own, please!

Chiron conj the ASC is severe bullying in all the cases I have seen.

Lilith conj the ASC or MC is always a super sexy looking person.

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posted December 17, 2013 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Several things.

Some that come to mind:

1. Planets in composite 12th house are not (as a general rule) what they are said to be; for example the Moon in 12th house in composite happens quite often, and is not indicative of a "doomed" relationship at all.
Not yet completely sure why that is, just noticed how often it comes up in stable loving longterm marriages and relationships.
Venus in 12th house, too, but observed it a little less often.

Maybe the feeling planets can cope with the 12th house better than something like Mars would (I noticed that Mars in 12th composite house is a not so good thing to have).

2. the natal script determines the experience of synastry.

3. the angles operate as "manifestation-level", so planets on the angles get very visible and noteable, this is true for all kind of charts.

A synastric aspect closely tied to the angles, you will notice.

4. Synastric configurations are not only determined by the natal script,b ut need to be triggered to be woken up from their dormant state.

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Hi Ceri,

1. Makes sense, because the 12th house symbolizes how we are when we are alone, and what might be boiling below the surface that others aren't aware of. If Mars is what a couple experiences when they are alone, or what they get 'blindsided' with by each other, then the relationship may not be so nice for them (could depend on how Mars is aspected). Venus in the 12th house may mean private affection and appreciation between a couple. Others who know them may not be aware of the true depth of warmth between them, or perhaps they tend to 'blindside' each other with expressions of affection. That doesn't sound too bad at all. The Moon in the 12th house could mean a private deep emotional bond, and attachment for one another, that may not be obvious to outside observers. I can see how the 12th house in the composite is only 'bad' if harsh planets are there, especially if negatively aspected. The 12th house is a very 'soft' house where we feel vulnerable. Gentle encouragement is needed when exposing our hidden side to a partner. This is where we need kindness.

2. Could not agree more with this one. The natal script absolutely determines the experience of synastry. I think certain house synastry, angle connections, and how we relate to the symbolism of our natal chart, determines how the inter-planetary synastry aspects play out for us. It's all about context. Venus conjunct Mars in synastry is not always experienced 'romantically', it has a plationic expression as well (balancing each other with charm and assertiveness). I tend to think that certain types of house synastry is what determines whether a synastry is 'switched on' romantically or not. By this, I mean synastry to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, via overlays or aspects to the house rulers. Synastry to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses switches on attraction for the house person (usually), because activation to these houses by tends to make us view someone in a more romantic light. House synastry shows the context we are lightly to see a person through.

Important connections to the angles from a partner is what gives them gravity, and significance, in our life. It makes them personal 'game-changers' for us... Synastry connections to the Vertex (my personal favorite, because I think it activates attraction too!), Nodal Axis, Asc/Dsc, Mc/Ic, and the East Point/West Point Axis (Equatorial Asc/Dsc), tends to be what makes a person influential and important for us in our life (as in, not just attractive).

Also, this type of synastry needs to be mutual, where both partner's have these types of house synastry/angle connections with each other. If it's not mutual there could be an unrequited love type scenario brewing. Traditional physical attraction synastry aspects do not guarantee a romantic connection between two people. Aquaguy pointed this out earlier in the thread. Just having physcial attraction aspects alone is not enough. An attraction could very well be unrequited if a love interest doesn't have certain house related synastry, and perhaps certain other natal triggers, activated within them in the synastry as well.

Also, depending on our natal charts and experience, people like to have their natal charts aspected in particular ways, and different people have different amounts of tolerance for hard aspects in synastry. Some people actually enjoy them, others shudder at the thought.

People also have different preferences on what particular planets they like to be aspected by form others (or what planets they like aspected in their own natal charts), and whether they like hard or soft aspects from (or to) this particular planet, depending on how their natal chart is set-up. A person might actually like having Mercury square Uranus, but hate Moon square Venus. Some people think Mars trine Venus is too 'soft' for them, others absolutely love this aspect. We all have our finicky little 'inner script' about what types of energy exchange we like to experience with others. And we look for that in others.

3. I think your really onto something here about the angles relating to the actual manifestation of a connection with somebody. Physical attraction aspects, and 5th, 7th (not exactly on the Dsc), and 8th house synastry, may make us swoon over somebody... But, angle connections seem to be what anchors the connection in reality. As in, something actually happens! I'm going to be studying this part of your theory from now on, to see what I can personally observe about it.

posted December 17, 2013 06:02 PM            

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I've spent the last 10+ years specifically studying relationship charts, and this is what I've noticed over and over in marriages and other long-term relationships, drawing on at least 500 - 600 charts I've looked at (if not more than that... I've lost count):

-Mars square (or sometimes conjunct) Saturn.
This pops up SO MUCH it's mind-boggling -- at least 85% of the married synastry charts I've looked at have it. I think it attests to the drive (Mars) for responsibility (Saturn) set in motion by the friction of the square. It's not often a pleasant aspect but it works like glue.

-When there's no hard Mars/Saturn aspect, there's almost always a conjunction between Saturn and the Sun or Saturn and the Ascendant.

-Alignment of the angles. The most common is one person's AC conjunct the other's MC or IC. Less common but still occurring is AC conjunct AC and AC conjunct DC. I've noticed that with marriages, it's much more likely to be AC conjunct MC, whereas shorter-term relationships, or relationships people have when they're younger, involve AC conjunct AC or DC. I think this is because the MC/IC axis involves more than just attraction and represents inner/domestic life as well as public life, which tend to become more important in marriages.

-There is usually at least one significant nodal conjunction (either with a planet or angle), but no consistency as to what that conjunction is. Node conjunct Saturn seems more common than node conjunct a personal planet, and nodes conjunct the angles (either AC/DC or IC/MC) also occur with some frequency.

-There is almost ALWAYS at least one planet/angle conjunction, often more. Conjunctions to the IC and MC are just as common, if not more so, than conjunctions to the AC and DC.

-I have *not* noticed any of the classically "good" aspects like sun conjunct moon or Venus conjunct Mars appear in marriage synastry any more often than they would by chance. Sextiles between Venus and Mars are actually the most common aspect I've seen between those two planets, but often there is no aspect at all.

-I have seen many marriage synastries with no major sun/sun, sun/moon, or moon/moon aspects at all, and in these cases there's often a lot of Saturn action going on.

-There is often a major, tight conjunction between a personal planet or angle and one of the following asteroids: Union, Amor, Valentine, Eros, or Psyche (or these asteroids will aspect each other). Eros/Psyche conjunctions aren't particularly common in marriages, but seem much more common in relationships that don't culminate in marriage.

-Likewise, in the charts I've checked with name asteroids, there is often a significant conjunction of one person's name asteroid with the other person's name asteroid or personal planet, OR one (or both) people have the other person's name asteroid conjunct a personal planet in their natal chart, especially the sun. Sort of like finding this person was "written" into their chart from birth...

-Chiron trine, sextile, or conjunct Venus is REALLY common. Chiron trine, sextile, or sun also occurs with some frequency.

-Tight orbs don't seem to matter. When the relationships have sun/moon or moon/moon aspects, for instance, orbs of up to even 8 or 9 degrees seem to function just fine for compatibility. There usually are only a few aspects that are close to exact, and those aspects really set the tone of the marriage.

I have a theory that lots of tight aspects and exciting conjunctions eventually become too intense and uncomfortable, unless both people are VERY mature, and either cause two people to start repulsing each other or force the relationship to break apart for other reasons. This has been my experience time and time again. For a relationship to progress into a marriage, there needs to be some Saturn action, growth-oriented challenging aspects, a few nodal or angle connections, and significant progressions or transits to kick things off.

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posted December 17, 2013 06:25 PM            

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Hi Ceri,

1. Makes sense, because the 12th house symbolizes how we are when we are alone, and what might be boiling below the surface that others aren't aware of. If Mars is what a couple experiences when they are alone, or what they get 'blindsided' with by each other, then the relationship may not be so nice for them (could depend on how Mars is aspected). Venus in the 12th house may mean private affection and appreciation between a couple. Others who know them may not be aware of the true depth of warmth between them, or perhaps they tend to 'blindside' each other with expressions of affection. That doesn't sound too bad at all. The Moon in the 12th house could mean a private deep emotional bond, and attachment for one another, that may not be obvious to outside observers. I can see how the 12th house in the composite is only 'bad' if harsh planets are there, especially if negatively aspected. The 12th house is a very 'soft' house where we feel vulnerable. Gentle encouragement is needed when exposing our hidden side to a partner. This is where we need kindness.

2. Could not agree more with this one. The natal script absolutely determines the experience of synastry. I think certain house synastry, angle connections, and how we relate to the symbolism of our natal chart, determines how the inter-planetary synastry aspects play out for us. It's all about context. Venus conjunct Mars in synastry is not always experienced 'romantically', it has a plationic expression as well (balancing each other with charm and assertiveness). I tend to think that certain types of house synastry is what determines whether a synastry is 'switched on' romantically or not. By this, I mean synastry to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, via overlays or aspects to the house rulers. Synastry to the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses switches on attraction for the house person (usually), because activation to these houses by tends to make us view someone in a more romantic light. House synastry shows the context we are lightly to see a person through.

Important connections to the angles from a partner is what gives them gravity, and significance, in our life. It makes them personal 'game-changers' for us... Synastry connections to the Vertex (my personal favorite, because I think it activates attraction too!), Nodal Axis, Asc/Dsc, Mc/Ic, and the East Point/West Point Axis (Equatorial Asc/Dsc), tends to be what makes a person influential and important for us in our life (as in, not just attractive).

Also, this type of synastry needs to be mutual, where both partner's have these types of house synastry/angle connections with each other. If it's not mutual there could be an unrequited love type scenario brewing. Traditional physical attraction synastry aspects do not guarantee a romantic connection between two people. Aquaguy pointed this out earlier in the thread. Just having physcial attraction aspects alone is not enough. An attraction could very well be unrequited if a love interest doesn't have certain house related synastry, and perhaps certain other natal triggers, activated within them in the synastry as well.

Also, depending on our natal charts and experience, people like to have their natal charts aspected in particular ways, and different people have different amounts of tolerance for hard aspects in synastry. Some people actually enjoy them, others shudder at the thought.

People also have different preferences on what particular planets they like to be aspected by form others (or what planets they like aspected in their own natal charts), and whether they like hard or soft aspects from (or to) this particular planet, depending on how their natal chart is set-up. A person might actually like having Mercury square Uranus, but hate Moon square Venus. Some people think Mars trine Venus is too 'soft' for them, others absolutely love this aspect. We all have our finicky little 'inner script' about what types of energy exchange we like to experience with others. And we look for that in others.

3. I think your really onto something here about the angles relating to the actual manifestation of a connection with somebody. Physical attraction aspects, or 5th, 7th (not exactly on the Dsc), and 8th house synastry, may make us swoon over somebody. But angle connections seem to be what anchors the connection in reality. As in, something actually happens! I'm going to be studying this part of your theory from now on, to see what I can personally observe about.

4. Do your mean transits and progressions?

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posted December 17, 2013 06:47 PM            

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From what I have seen good house placements in synastry don't matter either. I have looked at quiet a few synastries where the 5th, 7th,or 8th house was involved and I felt nothing for that person sexually or romantically or vice versa.

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Yes, but did you only focus on overlays?

Also, how an overlaying planet from a partner aspects the rest of our chart is significant. If it doesn't aspect us at all, we won't feel much about that person. If it makes not so nice aspects (like square to Saturn), they may seem unpleasant to us, regardless of house overlays.

I'll admit there's something of an X-factor when it comes to attraction, as well, which can make it unpredictable.

Let me put it like this. I've NEVER been attracted to somebody that I didn't have significant 5th, 7th, and 8th house synastry with. And I mean never yet in this life time.

HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that every time someone dumps planets in one of these houses, that I'm irresistibly drawn to them. Rather, the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses open up the possibility that I could be drawn to them, but it doesn't determine whether or not an attraction actually occurs.

I've never had attraction without the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses. But Having that in synastry is not a guarantee of attraction, so much as it opens up the potential for it to occur. Even then sometimes it may not take. That's the X-factor.

If we fell in love with everybody who put planets in our 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, the world would be crazy! That's a lot of people! Obviously, not everybody who puts planets there is going to catch our fancy.

I suspect this is because they don't give us the kind of inter-planetary synastry that we need for attraction (but that's still a theory at this point).

Oh, and when I look the 5th, 7th, and 8th houses, I study the house rulers, and secondary houses, as well as 'planets in houses' (overlays). When I study the synastry of friends and celebs, there have always been certain 5th, 7th, and 8th house connections there, as far as I've observed.

posted December 17, 2013 06:56 PM            

I JUST realized that. I thought back to all the Ascendant Chiron people I know of directly and all of them are that way. It seems like their entire sense of self is based entirely around that and they hold onto real or imagined slights/wounds from decades ago and seem to almost relish retelling them to whoever they think will listen over and over. Like if they didn't have that to cling to they would have no idea who they are. They think they ARE what they say happened to them and then self-identify and refer to themselves with victim terminology, all the time and view the world and people in general largely from the standpoint of "us vs them" and "bullies" vs everyone else. I noticed that a lot of times they project their past traumas onto current situatons that are a lot of times totally irrelevant to whatever may or may not have happened in their pasts - it's like any and everything transports them back in their own head to being that kid in class being called fat. Some of the less evolved ones think the world owes them something also as a result of whatever traumas they say happened to them.

posted December 17, 2013 08:39 PM            

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From what I have seen good house placements in synastry don't matter either. I have looked at quiet a few synastries where the 5th, 7th,or 8th house was involved and I felt nothing for that person sexually or romantically or vice versa.

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posted December 17, 2013 11:07 PM            

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I guess my question would be why did you look at the synastry at all w/these people unless you were involved with them romantically or sexually?? That imo is what synastry is for; it's for people already attracted to/together with/involved with one another, because synastry cannot predict or bring on attraction that isn't there to begin with. Your synastry can be perfect with someone but unless they know you and see you and interact with you and like you and a bunch of other factors it'll never happen. Imo it's useless until you're involved, so all the people who are posting synastries and composites for men/women who don't even know they exist are pretty crazy/obsessed/unrealistic about astrology and what it can/cannot illuminate.

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posted December 17, 2013 11:15 PM            

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you just proved my point....lol most people who look at synastry only look at it for people they are already involved with. Thus all they are really doing is reaffirming something that was already known... That they are attracted to someone and share a connection with them.what they fail to realize is they could meet someone with the exact same chart to their partner and not feel one iota of attraction to them. This is why I feel synastry is almost useless.. I have done tons of synastries and I just haven't seen any consistency that makes me think they can accurately gauge who might be attracted to who. I don't only do synastry with girls I am involved with. I have done it with girls I just thought were hot, female friends, girls who were attracted to me but I didn't feel the same etc.. All my research led me to believe synastry is rubbish.

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sure they could meet someone with the exact same chart as their partner but that person will not LOOK the same. looks are what matter and is what forms the attraction for most people, not the chart itself. the looks come first - that basic attraction, then you start looking at the synastry. that is why doing a chart with you and a hot chick doesn't work if SHE doesn't think you're hot... it would never work regardless of the synastry chart. you need basic attraction BOTH WAYS to get it going :-)

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