posted January 19, 2014 03:06 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
That's all a bunch of feminist propaganda. I would wager that the majority of prostitutes do it willingly. Just think about it.... Men want sex and are willing to pay tons of money to get it. All a woman has to do is make herself available and poof she already made a grand. A prostitute can make more money in a few hours time than just about any job that doesn't require a college education. It's very easy to see why lots of women choose to do it.

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I mixed with prostitutes and the news is also filled with people lured, kidnapped, and forced into sex trafficking and prostitution, it's a major problem around here where girls who get hired for housekeeping get taken across the border and sold into it. Pimps and cops also make the lives of prostitutes hell (and make them pay fines) as do all too many johns. They don't just have lots of sex and drive away satisfied to the bank. Even the freelancers typically hate it, hide it, do drugs to escape the pain of it (as in they sold their body and then turned to drugs for the first time). It's completely different from Debbie Does Dallas where girls just casually get into it to raise money for uniforms (or whatever it was they needed quick money for), porn movies like that are a complete fantasy divorced from reality but seem to be what you think it's like.

Once again you're assuming women have male sensibilities. I suppose if men could get rich having sex with women, especially beautiful women, they'd jump at it, but the reverse isn't true (gold digging marriage, maybe, other aspects of the sex industry, maybe, Australia which I believe has good protection & pay for prostitutes, maybe). Currently most males in prostitution also have to turn tricks with men...and many are straight, just as some women who turn tricks are lesbian.

Btw, I could share about how some runaways made some money from college feminists looking for the propaganda but my memory is too fuzzy on it at the moment, so maybe tomorrow.

posted January 19, 2014 03:21 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I mixed with prostitutes and the news is also filled with people lured, kidnapped, and forced into sex trafficking and prostitution, it's a major problem around here where girls who get hired for housekeeping get taken across the border and sold into it. Pimps and cops also make the lives of prostitutes hell (and make them pay fines) as do all too many johns. They don't just have lots of sex and drive away satisfied to the bank. Even the freelancers typically hate it, hide it, do drugs to escape the pain of it (as in they sold their body and then turned to drugs for the first time). It's completely different from Debbie Does Dallas where girls just casually get into it to raise money for uniforms (or whatever it was they needed quick money for), that's a complete fantasy divorced from reality.

Once again you're assuming women have male sensibilities. I suppose if men could get rich having sex with women, especially beautiful women, they'd jump at it, but the reverse isn't true (gold digging marriage, maybe, other aspects of the sex industry, maybe, Australia which I believe has good protection & pay for prostitutes, maybe). Currently most males in prostitution also have to turn tricks with men...and many are straight, just as some women who turn tricks are lesbian.

Btw, I could share about how some runaways made some money from college feminists looking for the propaganda but my memory is too fuzzy on it at the moment, so maybe tomorrow.

Of course this is just you saying women have it wonderful and men have it terrible again so it's beside the point.

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posted January 19, 2014 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You assume freelancers hate it. Lol no it couldn't be that they enjoy making tons of cash for having sex.

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posted January 19, 2014 03:27 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I've known freelancers which matches with what others who exposed prostitution (and it's not all exposed by feminists, some of them hate the prostitutes almost as much as the pimps and johns), so unlike you I know the real deal rather than what you imagine. You assume, but I know.

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posted January 19, 2014 03:31 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You assume that I don't know lol....

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Why don't you sell your butt for some money? I don't care how ugly you are, men will pay (just as they will with female prostitutes, many of whom look really bad). See how much it gets you. You'll find it won't be that much, especially with the fines (and you'll be less likely to be busted than women) and not worth the trouble. It's actually worse for the women, especially as even the freelancers have to watch out for the pimps and the rapists while male prostitutes have a lot less need to fear either. And yes, I know, I walked among them (male and female), not watched fantasies about them in absurd movies.

posted January 19, 2014 03:37 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Why don't you sell your butt for some money? I don't care how ugly you are, men will pay (just as they will with prostitutes, many of whom look really bad). See how much it gets you. You'll find it won't be that much, especially with the fines (and you'll be less likely to be busted than women) and not worth the trouble. It's actually worse for the women, especially as even the freelancers have to watch out for the pimps and the rapists while male prostitutes have a lot less need to fear of either. And yes, I know, I walked among them, not watched fantasies about them in absurd movies.

No, you don't know. This is just you trying to show how men are martyrs in a world run by women again and perhaps confusing porn with real life.

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posted January 19, 2014 04:04 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
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Okay, fine. I'm not inclined to believe you and even if what you say is true then you're well known (by your own admission) to not really understand people or know when you're being played. We'll just have to agree to disagree because I'll believe my own experience over yours, especially when the majority of the media (academic, reporting, "video vigilantes," etc) back it and I'm sure you'll do the same (even though you live on a vastly different world than the one I grew up in and that the media reports on), so there it is, an impasse.

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posted January 19, 2014 04:07 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
What I found was drastically different than what the media tell us

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posted January 19, 2014 04:12 AM            

Every promiscuous girl that I have ever known personally was either raped or molested at some point in their life. The vast majority of prostitutes, strippers and porn stars are victims of sexual abuse. That is a fact. Girls are used as sex objects, so they grow up to become sex objects. It's not a glamourous lifestyle where women are rolling around in cash, feeling good about themselves. They are selling their intimacy to strangers, so it makes it near impossible to experience true love and companionship with another human being. Many of these women never experience what it feels like to be loved in an intimate way. I know this point falls on deaf ears, but I had to say it.

posted January 19, 2014 04:12 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Tell me where to find such freelancers. I'll look around in my area to see if I can find the same.

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posted January 19, 2014 04:22 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
The interweb.

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posted January 19, 2014 04:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Bluejay:
As for prostitutes making easy money....

Every promiscuous girl that I have ever known personally was either raped or molested at some point in their life. The vast majority of prostitutes, strippers and porn stars are victims of sexual abuse. That is a fact. Girls are used as sex objects, so they grow up to become sex objects. It's not a glamourous lifestyle where women are rolling around in cash, feeling good about themselves. They are selling their intimacy to strangers, so it makes it near impossible to experience true love and companionship with another human being. Many of these women never experience what it feels like to be loved in an intimate way. I know this point falls on deaf ears, but I had to say it.

You know an attractive man can probably make just as much if not more than a woman on a good night. Especially since there is less competition. It's such an easy way to make thousands of dollars in one night, why wouldn't someone do it?

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posted January 19, 2014 06:15 AM            

Female sexual slavery is a reality. Sexual abuse is a reality and like what someone wrote above, it often leads women (who are statistically sexually abused more often than men and if you don't agree with me please take a sociology class...) into sex work.

Men have a more difficult time seeing this than women do. The privilege you have in society as a man blinds you to the injustices that women face every day just as my own white privilege often blinds me to the injustice people of color face or the way in which my able body keeps me from seeing the difficulties handicapped people face. Just because you can't see injustice that doesn't mean it's not there.

Please educate yourself. And why were you looking for services from prostitutes? By doing that you are becoming a part of the problem.

I am not replying to anything else on this topic. As someone who has seen how sexual abuse effects people, as a young woman who was once homeless and who narrowly escaped having to do sex work to survive, I can only say that I pity men like you who have no true, deep understanding of women and what effects us and why.

Educate yourself.

posted January 19, 2014 08:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
I'm working on a "study" of 120-something prostitutes. I undertook this study to try and pinpoint a "casual sex" placement or aspect. Of course the study is flawed - some aspects and placements were left out. It's also incomplete, but here is what I've found so far.

Mutable Mars dominate.

I looked at aspects of Mars to Jupiter, Saturn, & Neptune. So far the tense aspects (square/opposition/conjunction) show up more often than softer ones.

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posted January 19, 2014 09:32 AM            

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In my life and with the people I know, Cappies- male and female take the lead on casual sex.

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Interesting. My study is not even have way through, but Capricorn is in the #1 position by a decent margin, with Cancer at #2.

I only know two Capricorn women personally. One is flat out promiscuous. The other is a close relative who is never single. I don't think she sleeps around, but I believe she'd jump into a relationship with anyone willing and able.

Personally the most promiscuous men I know have been Pisces. I know more than a handful that are like this. Not necessarily easily seduced, but promiscuous as in looking for newer and newer people to have sex with. These aren't college kids I'm talking about either. These are men with mortgages to pay, kids to raise, work to go to during the week, etc...

posted January 19, 2014 11:42 AM            

Sun Signs
1- Capricorn - 19
2- Cancer - 14
3- Aries - 13
4- Leo - 12
5- Libra - 12
6- Aquarius - 12
7- Virgo - 10
8- Sagittarius -10
9- Pisces - 9
10- Gemini - 5
11- Scorpio - 5
12- Taurus - 4

Mars Signs:
1- Virgo - 15
2- Leo - 14
3- Scorpio - 13
4- Sagittarius - 13
5- Libra - 12
6- Taurus - 11
7- Gemini - 10
8- Aries - 9
9- Pisces - 9
10- Aquarius - 8
11- Cancer - 6
12- Capricorn - 6

posted January 19, 2014 02:02 PM            

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Originally posted by lalalinda:
In this day and age casual sex can be scary.
I don't count men because it's in their DNA to plant their seeds in as many gardens as possible

Women on the other hand may be masking self esteem issues which I don't like to see. It is my sincere wish for all women to realize their self worth as well as their power because when you come down to it power is in their hands until they make themselves vulnerable.

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That's ridiculous. Men have casual sex for validation just like women do. Society doesnt consider men men unless they have had lots of sexual partners. Unfortunately it ruin's most men's ability to have a healthy relationship. One reason among many being that who can trust a sl ut? Which is why women get called neurotic, insecure, and hypersensitive. Other reasons is that they end up demanding sex way too much, often becoming a slave to their desires...and ruining the sensitivity and romance in the relationship, making the woman feel used. It is easy to see a woman as a sexual object because they focus so much on their appearance to attract males. The other thing is that sex often gets in the way of getting closer to someone, if you are focusing on sex as something other than a deeper expression of love and affection that is built over time.

Anyone who says that casual sex does not affect men emotionally is promoting society's encouragement of men to practice self-destructive behaviors. Which is why men's biggest threat in life is heart disease (when their heart says hey buddy you just can't keep treating yourself this way...alcohol..unhealthy eating..being a slob..casual sex...etc) and a woman's biggest threat in life is a man...for physical abuse, emotional abuse, or other...

Saying that it is normal for men to spread their seed is despicable, and is part of what promotes the behaviors that already destroy the family structure, and encourage men to further emotionally damage themselves, as well as to continue seeing women as objects they can use for their gratification and to treat women as less than them in general. Yes casual sex does affect men, I have many male friends who have told me that it does affect them emotionally.

posted January 19, 2014 02:10 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
The Results are in!! Nine's unofficial flawed sex worker survey. Somehow I ended up with 125 Sun, and 126 Mars placements.

Sun Signs
1- Capricorn - 19
2- Cancer - 14
3- Aries - 13
4- Leo - 12
5- Libra - 12
6- Aquarius - 12
7- Virgo - 10
8- Sagittarius -10
9- Pisces - 9
10- Gemini - 5
11- Scorpio - 5
12- Taurus - 4

Mars Signs:
1- Virgo - 15
2- Leo - 14
3- Scorpio - 13
4- Sagittarius - 13
5- Libra - 12
6- Taurus - 11
7- Gemini - 10
8- Aries - 9
9- Pisces - 9
10- Aquarius - 8
11- Cancer - 6
12- Capricorn - 6

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posted January 19, 2014 04:00 PM            

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posted January 19, 2014 04:05 PM            

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Originally posted by RunAroundScreaming:
That's ridiculous. Men have casual sex for validation just like women do. Society doesnt consider men men unless they have had lots of sexual partners. Unfortunately it ruin's most men's ability to have a healthy relationship. One reason among many being that who can trust a sl ut? Which is why women get called neurotic, insecure, and hypersensitive. Other reasons is that they end up demanding sex way too much, often becoming a slave to their desires...and ruining the sensitivity and romance in the relationship, making the woman feel used. It is easy to see a woman as a sexual object because they focus so much on their appearance to attract males. The other thing is that sex often gets in the way of getting closer to someone, if you are focusing on sex as something other than a deeper expression of love and affection that is built over time.

Anyone who says that casual sex does not affect men emotionally is promoting society's encouragement of men to practice self-destructive behaviors. Which is why men's biggest threat in life is heart disease (when their heart says hey buddy you just can't keep treating yourself this way...alcohol..unhealthy eating..being a slob..casual sex...etc) and a woman's biggest threat in life is a man...for physical abuse, emotional abuse, or other...

Saying that it is normal for men to spread their seed is despicable, and is part of what promotes the behaviors that already destroy the family structure, and encourage men to further emotionally damage themselves, as well as to continue seeing women as objects they can use for their gratification and to treat women as less than them in general. Yes casual sex does affect men, I have many male friends who have told me that it does affect them emotionally.

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posted January 19, 2014 05:06 PM            

Aquaguy sure knows a lot about prostitution. Sure you're not a pimp, Aquaguy? Lol. How else would you know how the women feel? Or you may be a customer. Since you're broke, it could be the habit. Hahaha. Just kidding.