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Topic: The Dark-Side Souls, how to spot in natal chart
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MagnumJoe
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posted March 08, 2014 07:48 AM
  
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Originally posted by T:
Gee, me too.Moon & Pluto in the 8th *hissss* *RAWWwr* lol Unfortunately mine has only manifested in being an intense seeker of truth, quiet and contemplative in general & all the most positive qualities of the Scorpion. Lucky me. 
Nice For me, it makes me relate to anything that's "female" I am a gynecologist even  lol. Women make my life. EDIT: rawr and hiss. Damn you are scary :3 IP: Logged |
PeterPan
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posted March 08, 2014 09:01 AM
I guess i must "appear" really evil in that case;mars and mercury conjunct asc in taurus Algol conjunct mars mercury and asc Pluto opposite mars mercury and asc nessus opposite mars mercury and asc IP: Logged |
MagnumJoe
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posted March 08, 2014 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
Regulus and Antares can both lead to powerful urges for revenge if harshly aspected. Pluto/Charon, Ixion, Orcus, Nessus, Sirius, Saturn, Mars, Procyon, Castor, Pollux together ..
8th House Moon/Suns harshly aspected Saturn conjunct Lucifer in Scorpio Nessus is the only single body that can really come onto the term evil, but you must have other dark aspects to allow yourself to abuse at such at level.
Damn! I think i will commit a mass genocide any time soon: Orcus 8H squaring Pluto
Nessus 8H conjuncting Moon and squaring Saturn
Ixion conjunct Saturn in Scorpio
Procyon 8H, 3 degrees away from ruler. Mystic_Cat, help On the way, i found arcturus conjuncting my mars in 10th house, what the hell does it mean? IP: Logged |
Gabby
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posted March 08, 2014 10:42 AM
I know a very successful tv producer, he's extremely artistic, creative and a good person and his Venus is on Algol!
He is extreme hard on himself and gets down about not accomplishing enough....but he has had a couple show on the Discovery Channel, one was on for around 10 years!
He has produced a movie that won many awards at the Sundance film festival....but he never lets himself feel good about his accomplishments, he actually kind of cruel to himself if anything! IP: Logged |
PeterPan
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posted March 08, 2014 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Gabby:
I know a very successful tv producer, he's extremely artistic, creative and a good person and his Venus is on Algol!
He is extreme hard on himself and gets down about not accomplishing enough....but he has had a couple show on the Discovery Channel, one was on for around 10 years!
He has produced a movie that won many awards at the Sundance film festival....but he never lets himself feel good about his accomplishments, he actually kind of cruel to himself if anything!
WOW that's interesting, i'm really simlar in that respect, only i haven't acomplished much yet(i just started college), but i have capricorn midheaven so that might account for it in my case but also asc, mars and mercury conjunct Algol. Does he have anything else that might account for it? or did you just want to point out that Algol people can be good to?
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Gabby
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posted March 08, 2014 11:19 AM
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Originally posted by PeterPan:
WOW that's interesting, i'm really simlar in that respect, only i haven't acomplished much yet(i just started college), but i have capricorn midheaven so that might account for it in my case but also asc, mars and mercury conjunct Algol.Does he have anything else that might account for it? or did you just want to point out that Algol people can be good to?
Just that they can be good!! Lol
His chart indicates he would be driven to excel....
Taurus Sun/Saturn/Merc/Venus
Cap AC
I think the Algol placement makes him so hard on himself, he has no love for himself unless he's accomplishing something!!
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Catalina
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posted March 08, 2014 04:01 PM
Hi, T, I thought of you too when talking about Algol. My dad's sun was on it as well, he had a temper but was very sweet, very honest and not the least bit EVIL...I would hate to see some naïf convinced that their chart was evil because of said placements. It just doesn't work like that! The chart is the blueprint, we are the builders... IP: Logged |
aah08
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posted March 08, 2014 11:48 PM
Close enough Jupiter 6 Scorpio
Pluto 25 Scorpio =0
Vertex 28 Taurus
edit: Just found out I have Algol at 26 Taurus conjunct Vertex, opp Pluto, Procyon trine Pluto, Ixion conjunct Pluto in Scorpio and finally Orcus conjunc my Sun in Leo
Just one or two degrees apart haha
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MorpHnStorM
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posted March 09, 2014 12:57 AM
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Catalina
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posted March 09, 2014 03:00 AM
In fact, as Grant Lewi pointed out, charts with too many trines, or not enough "heavy" or "malefic" aspects, are more likely to produce evil character, criminal or just wasteful of opportunities. In fact all challenging aspects add grist to the mill, giving us something to test ourselves against. A chart that looks like all sweetness and light very often belongs to a sociopath due to too much "luck" and not enough soul "exercise"IP: Logged |
MorpHnStorM
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posted March 09, 2014 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by Catalina:
In fact, as Grant Lewi pointed out, charts with too many trines, or not enough "heavy" or "malefic" aspects, are more likely to produce evil character, criminal or just wasteful of opportunities. In fact all challenging aspects add grist to the mill, giving us something to test ourselves against. A chart that looks like all sweetness and light very often belongs to a sociopath due to too much "luck" and not enough soul "exercise"
This is interesting. I know you're talking about natals here, but I have it like this in a composite with my brother (mostly sextiles/trines). By far the worst and most damaging relationship in my life...We have that Sun-Chiron conj. in synastry, and his Moon is i my 12th. Very few aspects anywhere else...He's a disgusting person on his own. Ironically, with the one who was most significant and most healing, I have lots of squares and oppositions with (and we have these in our natals). IP: Logged |
swampys
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posted March 09, 2014 05:02 AM
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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
The 26th Degree of Taurus
Pluto 28 Degree's Scorpio
OMG! I have Taurus Midheaven at 24th degree, and Pluto in Scorpio at the 27th degree!
:O What does that mean?
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HadesFish
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posted August 19, 2015 04:28 PM
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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
Haha, i mean in conjunctions not solely by self, if it was a 8th house Moon conjunct Orcus, Ixion and Pollux in Scorpio. 
Ok, so what about two personal planets in Eighth in conjunction to Ixion in Scorpio?
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HadesFish
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posted August 19, 2015 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
The accursed degree of Scorpio (7 degree's)The 26th Degree of Taurus , Calput Algol is said by Ptolemy to be the most evil aspect in astrology, the head of Medusa or the Devil's head. Regulus and Antares can both lead to powerful urges for revenge if harshly aspected. Pluto/Charon, Ixion, Orcus, Nessus, Sirius, Saturn, Mars, Procyon, Castor, Pollux together .. 8th House Moon/Suns harshly aspected Saturn in Capricorn - Barrack Obama speaks about killing innocents in the east with barely a blink, not evil but a cold heart perhaps. Saturn conjunct Lucifer in Scorpio Nessus is the only single body that can really come onto the term evil, but you must have other dark aspects to allow yourself to abuse at such at level. Apart from that, we're on the transition between the ages of Pisces and Aquarius, there isn't going to be much classed as Evil, in another 2000 years in the age of Capricorn and Saturn there will be darkness. Rewind a hundred years into the age of Pisces and look into holocausts etc for evil. Ascendant at 25 Degree's Scorpio
Pluto 28 Degree's Scorpio
Ixion 28 Degree's Scorpio
Jupiter 28 Degree's Scorpio
Why is 7 in Scorpio the accursed degree?
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Selenite
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posted August 19, 2015 04:41 PM
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Originally posted by Mystic_Cat:
The accursed degree of Scorpio (7 degree's)The 26th Degree of Taurus , Calput Algol is said by Ptolemy to be the most evil aspect in astrology, the head of Medusa or the Devil's head. Regulus and Antares can both lead to powerful urges for revenge if harshly aspected. Pluto 28 Degree's Scorpio
Lol, what?! My IC is at 7 Scorpio, my Lilith is at 27 Taurus, Mars is conjunct Regulus harshly aspected and Pluto is conjunct Ixion at 28 Scorpio. I'm not evil at all.
 I understand about Algol and Regulus, but what about the degrees? IP: Logged |
athenegoddess
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posted August 19, 2015 04:53 PM
When I look for this it's asteroid Lucifer negatively aspecting personal planets.IP: Logged |
GemBird82
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posted August 19, 2015 04:56 PM
I honestly think it was some kind of typo
Mystic Cat propably meant 19  Ps.
The Dark-Side souls... Lol !
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astra7
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Registered: Sep 2014
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posted August 19, 2015 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
My Sun is conjunct Lucifer in the 11th house at 2 degrees. I wonder if this is why I can do things out of rage and not think twice about it. Or why I seem to have a dark energy about me even though I'm sweet for the most part.
May be you end up worshipping him. Watch out. :O
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HadesFish
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posted August 19, 2015 05:06 PM
I thought the Lucifer aspect itself was not " all that bad"?
Can you please explain why you personally look for this and what exactly makes it evil?
My reasoning for not thinking it's all that bad is because of the name Lucifer itself - it's attributed with light and all of that. Also, it's only one point of view that made that associated specific name Lucifer being the evil entity it is today?Also can someone shed some light on Anteres in opposition to Aldebaran in a natal chart?
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athenegoddess
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posted August 19, 2015 05:10 PM
In my studying of this, Lucifer represents evil and how well a soul can handle the temptation to do evil. People with negative aspects to Lucifer are easily tempted to do evil.. and even want to do it.What makes someone want to rape and kill a child even though some part of them knows its wrong? Because they want to do evil and are more tempted to do it then to let the goodness and purity take over. They want to experience the dark side, it's their ego and what drives them. IP: Logged |
astra7
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posted August 19, 2015 05:11 PM
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Originally posted by HadesFish:
I thought the Lucifer aspect itself was not " all that bad"?
Can you please explain why you personally look for this and what exactly makes it evil?
My reasoning for not thinking it's all that bad is because of the name Lucifer itself - it's attributed with light and all of that. Also, it's only one point of view that made that associated specific name Lucifer being the evil entity it is today?Also can someone shed some light on Anteres in opposition to Aldebaran in a natal chart?
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GemBird82
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posted August 19, 2015 05:23 PM
Too bad we don't have a Yhwh asteroid ( well, it probably exists but it doesn't have an official name )
And when I think about it... I'm like:
" Ewww, stay away from me Demiurge  "*********************** Anyway, even if it's about such low vibration... I guess that venting hate toward it isn't the best way to solve things... hmmm... probably it want us to fall into its own vibration, but that's not gonna happen  
*** Lucifer is a very weird object... but I guess its interpretation is not far from the 'Morning Star' concept. *** IP: Logged |
HadesFish
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posted August 19, 2015 05:25 PM
Thank you for this!I thought that with Lucifer being the light bearer any aspects or whatnot would be like shining a flashlight into that area as a general - in both Natal and Synastry.
Also wasnt the actual name Lucifer converted into the Devil entity only in more modern times ; therefore bonding them both as the same, but technically speaking before this the name Lucifer was not who people view the Devil as they did in the past, only in this day and age?
If The Luciferian aspect is referring to the new age evil, this makes sense to be a bad aspect.
But if this aspect is having to be bad because of the name Lucifer being referred to the devil of today, that makes no sense to me! I am fairly green to Fixed Stars, Asteroids, and all of this stuff, so please bear with me! ------------------
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athenegoddess
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posted August 19, 2015 05:32 PM
I don't base Lucifer on anything but what I see it doing in the charts of people who do bad things. It is always highly active so the myth kind of doesn't matter when it comes to facts.IP: Logged |
HadesFish
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posted August 19, 2015 05:38 PM
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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
I don't base Lucifer on anything but what I see it doing in the charts of people who do bad things. It is always highly active so the myth kind of doesn't matter when it comes to facts.
This makes sense. Could you please share some of the aspects of their chart that touch with Lucifer? Also, the bad things they did, was it a similar pattern or they all did bad things, regardless? ------------------
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