posted August 19, 2015 05:40 PM            

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
I thought the Lucifer aspect itself was not " all that bad"?
Can you please explain why you personally look for this and what exactly makes it evil?

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I have to agree to this statement. Aren't the asteroids named after the ancient mythologies, not after the Cristian one? If that's the case, then LUCIFER is named after the Roman god of the morning star (a benevolent god), who happens to predate the Christian religion by several hundred years. Just saying...

posted August 19, 2015 05:44 PM            

Another guy I studied I forgot his name but he kidnapped and murdered a little girl a long time ago and still to this day cannot and will not confess.

I always check it on a whim when I hear of someone doing a bad crime and asteroid Lucifer is always active. I don't save this info.

Check for yourself.

posted August 19, 2015 05:45 PM              

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Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
I have to agree to this statement. Aren't the asteroids named after the ancient mythologies, not after the Cristian one? If that's the case, then LUCIFER is named after the Roman god of the morning star (a benevolent god), who happens to predate the Christian religion by several hundred years. Just saying...

Also, my Uranus is at 7°Sco (in 12th house) and it's one of my favorite placements. I've always associated it with my love for the occult.

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That's what I also thought also of the Lucifer description, but I am not sure my own knowledge is on par with some of the others here in other areas, so hard for me to state why other than what was said specifically.

And that's a neat aspect to have! I can feel why it would be a fave, lol!
My own Pluto is in Scorpio in the 4th at 7 degrees, and this was the first I've heard / read that's it's not a good degree for Scorp to be in?!

posted August 19, 2015 05:47 PM            

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
My reasoning for not thinking it's all that bad is because of the name Lucifer itself - it's attributed with light and all of that. Also, it's only one point of view that made that associated specific name Lucifer being the evil entity it is today?

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I know very little about asteroid astrology so I can't speak of that itself but I can speak of this (which I think applies to astrological energy since I believe it ultimately comes from our collective view rather than the heavenly bodies themselves).

From the collective view Lucifer is evil because the slavery of the Hebrews under the Babylonians influenced their religion to become more dualistic which altered the religion so that there was a counterpart to God who was at least close to being a "worthy opponent" which many include as Lucifer (and often mix with other spirits/angels), and now instead of God sending forth evil spirits to tell lies now it's Lucifer who does so. (Even before this metamorphosis Lucifer was the Prosecutor, look up the story of Job for how unwanted his attention was by even the most innocent ). And it was only after the religion became dualistic that it was spread and impressed upon the world.

There have been minor sects that thought Lucifer wasn't all bad, from certain Gnostics to those who had reason to hate the church and see God as evil (and might confuse Lucifer with their own gods, something that the church wanted to happen so that their old gods were considered evil) and that has trickled down even today so that there are stories like To Reign in Hell which portrays the war in Heaven as one between Despotism and Liberty with good/weal (wanting the best for all) and evil/desire to oppress on both sides of the war, but though this isn't wholly original (at least the author isn't the first to express such an idea) it's thought to be so because it's such a minority view today. I don't know of your background in these things but the thoughts of Lucifer as anything other than wicked, evil, diabolic, and wanting to destroy is very rare and people rarely have heard of anything different from that (even when they think of worshipers and devotees they think of people dedicated to mind boggling evil for its own sake and selling their souls for power rather than such people having a different view of Lucifer or at all idealistic).

Even though I wasn't Christian I assumed Lucifer was evil (at least was the villain in the myth) when I was a kid and assumed The Satanic Bible by LaVey was about all sorts of horrid things.

posted August 19, 2015 06:03 PM              

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Originally posted by athenegoddess:
Jeffrey Dahmer is one.

Another guy I studied I forgot his name but he kidnapped and murdered a little girl a long time ago and still to this day cannot and will not confess.

I always check it on a whim when I hear of someone doing a bad crime and asteroid Lucifer is always active. I don't save this info.

Check for yourself.

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Good to know, thanks!

posted August 19, 2015 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
If you want to get pedantic about how Lucifer, Satan, and all that aren't the same go ahead but it's irrelevant because the psychic energy generated by belief is what shapes it, not esoteric scholarly texts most people never bother to learn.

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Aren't we snappy today...

I'm not getting pedantic--I'm simply stating that I grew up in an environment and time in which religion was shunned and kids were taught in school the Roman mythology. It happened to be one of the former Roman colonies, so I guess everyone regarded their mythology as our historical inheritance. And let's take the Druids: for all practical purposes the Celtic god Cernunnos is the same as Lucifer. Yet if you ask the Wiccans, they would tell you that there isn't anything evil about the horned god, that he is just another aspect of the divinity.

This isn't in any way a commentary about the Christianity--I'm simply stating that a very large part of this world isn't Christian.

posted August 19, 2015 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
And that's a neat aspect to have! I can feel why it would be a fave, lol!
My own Pluto is in Scorpio in the 4th at 7 degrees, and this was the first I've heard / read that's it's not a good degree for Scorp to be in?!

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posted August 19, 2015 06:58 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
I know very little about asteroid astrology so I can't speak of that itself but I can speak of this (which I think applies to astrological energy since I believe it ultimately comes from our collective view rather than the heavenly bodies themselves).

From the collective view Lucifer is evil because the slavery of the Hebrews under the Babylonians influenced their religion to become more dualistic which altered the religion so that there was a counterpart to God who was at least close to being a "worthy opponent" which many include as Lucifer (and often mix with other spirits/angels), and now instead of God sending forth evil spirits to tell lies now it's Lucifer who does so. (Even before this metamorphosis Lucifer was the Prosecutor, look up the story of Job for how unwanted his attention was by even the most innocent ). And it was only after the religion became dualistic that it was spread and impressed upon the world.

There have been minor sects that thought Lucifer wasn't all bad, from certain Gnostics to those who had reason to hate the church and see God as evil (and might confuse Lucifer with their own gods, something that the church wanted to happen so that their old gods were considered evil) and that has trickled down even today so that there are stories like To Reign in Hell which portrays the war in Heaven as one between Despotism and Liberty with good/weal (wanting the best for all) and evil/desire to oppress on both sides of the war, but though this isn't wholly original (at least the author isn't the first to express such an idea) it's thought to be so because it's such a minority view today. I don't know of your background in these things but the thoughts of Lucifer as anything other than wicked, evil, diabolic, and wanting to destroy is very rare and people rarely have heard of anything different from that (even when they think of worshipers and devotees they think of people dedicated to mind boggling evil for its own sake and selling their souls for power rather than such people having a different view of Lucifer or at all idealistic).

Even though I wasn't Christian I assumed Lucifer was evil (at least was the villain in the myth) when I was a kid and assumed The Satanic Bible by LaVey was about all sorts of horrid things.

And right now the energy put out by hundreds of millions if not billions is that Lucifer is completely evil and therefore that energy is what is going to imbue the asteroid Lucifer because that is what the archetype has become. It doesn't matter what the archetype used to be or that there are alternate views out there, what matters is what the vast majority believe (this includes passive beliefs which can come just from hearing songs it, reading horror novels, fairy tales, and what not). If you want to get pedantic about how Lucifer, Satan, and all that aren't the same go ahead but it's irrelevant because the psychic energy generated by belief is what shapes it, not esoteric scholarly texts most people never bother to learn.

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Ok, what I don't get is why read stories of Job, LaVey, fairy tales, listen to music on it, reading horror novels, but to completely discredit something else?
Personally for me when I research I use any source I can to come to a conclusion.... Hence why I asked the person of exactly why they personally ( bold ) thought about this aspect. Giving Dahmer as an example was a decent way for me to see one side of this.

Also general beliefs and mixed mass energies might exist for sure, but unfortunately it doesn't equate to the truth of the whole. Example : I joined this forum because most people's energy on astrology that I've come across in the outside world as a collective mass is not positive.
Their truth does not have to be mine, although.

posted August 19, 2015 07:11 PM              

The fixed star Khambalia--associated with "deep research of any kind, police investigation, espionage and esoteric subjects"--is located roughly at 6° Sco 57. It is considered a fortunate star of the nature of Mercury and Mars.

Sweet!

posted August 19, 2015 08:08 PM              

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
Too bad we don't have a Yhwh asteroid ( well, it probably exists but it doesn't have an official name )

And when I think about it... I'm like:
" Ewww, stay away from me Demiurge "

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Anyway, even if it's about such low vibration... I guess that venting hate toward it isn't the best way to solve things... hmmm... probably it want us to fall to its own vibration, but that's not gonna happen

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Lucifer is a very weird object... but I guess its interpretation is not far from the 'Morning Star' concept.

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You're jokes! Looool!

posted August 19, 2015 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
Ok, what I don't get is why read stories of Job, LaVey, fairy tales, listen to music on it, reading horror novels, but to completely discredit something else?

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posted August 19, 2015 09:29 PM            

Sun sq Algol 7H
Uranus opp Algol in Scorpio 4H
Mars sq Algol 7H
Plut bQ (what is bQ??) Algol - what does this mean?

posted August 19, 2015 09:32 PM              

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
but it's irrelevant because the psychic energy generated by belief is what shapes it, not esoteric scholarly texts most people never bother to learn.

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Just had the feel of how it came across that if one took the time to try to learn the scholarly text, it's a waste of time because of what some people might believe in right now. To me, people believe in a lot of things - always have, always will.
That's why I made it clear that I wanted a personal opinion along with examples of that specific placement.

Also, Astrology with some is in itself considered esoteric. Just statin'.

posted August 19, 2015 10:12 PM            

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
You're jokes! Looool!

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~ Well, lately... I've decided to take a little rest and leave pragmatic, rational and sequential thinking aside, at least for a while.
But I can make some exceptions of course, if needed
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I don't know what your thoughts (or should I say feelings?) are, but I'm afraid to tell you I wasn't joking when I said YHWH is Demiurge.

• But even if what I know has a contradictory meaning for you and what you believe, I don't see myself as the better / righteous person here.
I see no point in that; because in fact, that's the path to despair and Hate, and above all those things, fear.

posted August 19, 2015 10:43 PM              

I honestly think it was some kind of typo
Mystic Cat propably meant 19

Ps.
The Dark-Side souls... Lol !
A bit morbid ...

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This was jokes and what I mean is you are funny, not joking.

I should have been more clear, just quoted the last post you had to state it.

You can say thoughts or feelings , albeit when it comes to my true personal beliefs and thoughts - I haven't really stated anything I believed in, or not, really, just stuff that I've noticed is out there for all of the general public to see and interpret / learn as they feel fit, so no worries on any contradictions or such!

Cheers.

posted August 19, 2015 11:31 PM            

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Originally posted by HadesFish:
I should have been more clear

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Why? no need of that

Back on topic again, allow me to express some commentary about this, please.

~ Don't worry about 2-3 aspects or placements in your or anyone else's natal chart. If you are trying to find something "bad" that might me present in you or in someone you know, I can almost guarantee you that such thing will only exist if you allow it to exist.

Just as Pixie said, most of the times it is the mere energy generated by belief what shapes "Dark" stuff.

Yes, there might me special/peculiar cases related to spooky (and not-so spooky) contexts, but if you were included in one of those, you propably wouldn't be interested in Astrology. Which means, there's no need to worry about... the Daaaark Side of the Souls, at least not for you I'd say

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I'm starting to believe the only meaningful reason to get involved with what most know as "darkness" would be, to expose it.

But well, that would be part of an Idealistic way of thinking.
Hmmm... interesting, reminds me of what Yeshua once said.

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~ Therefore do not fear them, for there is nothing concealed that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known. What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops. ~

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~ Bye

posted August 20, 2015 03:16 PM            

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posted August 20, 2015 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by GemBird82:
I honestly think it was some kind of typo
Mystic Cat propably meant 19

Ps.
The Dark-Side souls... Lol !
A bit morbid ...

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posted August 20, 2015 04:49 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
If you want to get pedantic about how Lucifer, Satan, and all that aren't the same go ahead but it's irrelevant because the psychic energy generated by belief is what shapes it, not esoteric scholarly texts most people never bother to learn.

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It's like words changes meaning over time. The meaning attached to the word 'Bad' became good in certain youth culture for example.