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geminigal2805
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posted March 25, 2014 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminigal2805     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hiii peeps!
Have u ever been loved unconditionally? Did u know they love/loved u? Or loved anyone unconditionally? Loved them even when they never cared? Like Major Dobbins. Anf Amelia.. maybe a Rhett Butler? I wanna know sign/placements for unconditional love...

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coolingembers
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posted March 25, 2014 06:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I had that. In the sense i was the person who loved.

My chart is mostly water so maybe that has something to do with it.

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posted March 25, 2014 06:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for geminigal2805     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow coolingembers. I have never loved anyone unconditionally except my son.But that's a mother's love.
I wish I can love someone unconditionally. Do u still love this person?

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posted March 25, 2014 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for next to neptune     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Me, I love 3 people unconditionally in my life right now. Two of them are my best friends, and it has been like that for 5 years with both of them. It doesn't matter whatever they do, cause they have already given me what I need emotionally somehow, so I have nothing but love for them. The last person is my S.O, he has really opened my eyes for unconditional love, even though I can be insecure and doubt how much he loves me back, but I think no matter if we are going to be together forever or not, we will always be friends and I can never hate this guy.

I'm a virgo sun but water dominant (pisces moon, cancer ascendant and cancer jupiter, scorpio venus and pluto) and a stellium in 4th house and 3 planets in 6th house. I think I just love people because I'm supportive and really wants the best for people, and have no doubts that they are gonna do great things in their lives. I don't crave attention that much, and though I can get jealous I would never show that, jealousy is the most lousy feeling ever in the world so I better just tackle that myself and use it as a drive for success, rather than trying to destroy others with it. No way, I only want peace and not war.

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posted March 26, 2014 04:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Scorpiocat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have been, and wish I appreciated it at the time.

No I've never felt unconditional love for anyone.

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posted March 26, 2014 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by geminigal2805:
Wow coolingembers. I have never loved anyone unconditionally except my son.But that's a mother's love.
I wish I can love someone unconditionally. Do u still love this person?

Yes. I also love my little sister unconditionally. No one else though.

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posted March 26, 2014 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for coolingembers     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Double post.

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posted March 26, 2014 08:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for seekinglight     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Just thinking of the chiron-neptune aspect..

It points to 'Christ consciousness', state of enlightenment, heart chakra, experience of no-self and unconditional love. Of course one's maturity helps in manifesting these potentialities.

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posted March 26, 2014 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I loved my ex husband unconditionally and he loved me unconditionally. We still love each other but as friends lot lovers.

Listing aspects probably won't help anything. Lots of my aspects and placement others seem to tell me I'll never love, have trouble in love, etc but this has not been my experience.

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posted March 26, 2014 10:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Unconditional love is only healthy for a god.

For mere humans it's an unhealthy state that does more harm than good in most cases.

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I'm so cappy
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posted March 26, 2014 11:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for I'm so cappy     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:
Unconditional love is only healthy for a god.

For mere humans it's an unhealthy state that does more harm than good in most cases.



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I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy.

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manderin
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posted March 26, 2014 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:



lol. He is one of my favorite characters ever.

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posted March 26, 2014 01:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:
Unconditional love is only healthy for a god.

For mere humans it's an unhealthy state that does more harm than good in most cases.



We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one....

Which "god' are you speaking of?

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posted March 26, 2014 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:

We'll just have to agree to disagree on that one....

Which "god' are you speaking of?


Any God. I'm agnostic. I don't believe in any particular diety, but I'm open to the possibility that any and all may exist.

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posted March 26, 2014 02:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Any God. I'm agnostic. I don't believe in any particular diety, but I'm open to the possibility that any and all may exist.

In that case I really disagree with you.

I'm agnostic as well so I really can't see how loving unconditionally is only for god.

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posted March 26, 2014 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for page one     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
In that case I really disagree with you.

I'm agnostic as well so I really can't see how loving unconditionally is only for god.


Because it's neither possible nor healthy.

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posted March 26, 2014 05:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for deepseablues     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is possible. I'd say it's more unhealthy to love oneself and others on a condition, that's just mean.
You have to learn to love yourself unconditionally first, then others. Once you do that you will always be experiencing unconditional love.
And it's only hard because people make it so, it's a belief system, but it doesn't have to be, if you believe it is easy to love yourself and others, and the planet unconditionally, it will be, the reason most find it so hard is because we were taught conditional love by our parents/culture, so it can feel hard to express something if you have never been shown it, but once you realize it is possible and can be done, and if you believe it is easy it will be.
It's quite simple really.
Listen to Bashar!!

PS. I love all you unconditionally despite any differences! See how easy it is

"The pain that you carry is the love you withhold."

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Yes. Jupiter aspects.

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Odette
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posted March 26, 2014 06:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Similar thread: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/001085.html


I said -

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I don't like the whole idea of it. Everything is a give&take.
It's a really negative thing for love to be unconditional - because then the object of your love falls under the impression they can do whatever the hell they want & they will still be loved.

It's kinda like when parents spoil their kids and turn them into selfish/self-centred adults.

Understanding that negativity has negative consequences.. and that failing to appreciate something means you will lose it - is really important imo


It would have to be someone with a very different chart to mine... maybe Libra/Cancer mix (opposite my Aries/Cap)...
I'm not sure that anyone can actually love another unconditionally though.. but people who profess they do - are probably watery and Venusian.

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posted March 26, 2014 06:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
deepsea - You need to have standards in life... for yourself and for others.

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posted March 26, 2014 06:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People disturbed by the concept of unconditional love probably have some negative experiences or at least seen them that can include loving someone abusive, enabling very destructive and criminal behaviors. In extreme cases this includes aiding in the committing of thrill killing and rape, and yes there are women who so "unconditionally love" their man that they do this, one even helped her husband rape and murder her own 14-year-old sister just because he wanted to have sex with a virgin and she wasn't one. Women who force their children to have sex with their father is another example of "unconditional love" and when you say unconditional love is the best then some hear that as "they should unconditionally love those who rape them on a daily basis."

The Nightstalker raped and murdered women, even cut out the eyes of one such woman to take with him as a keepsake. After convicted many women wrote him in love and he even ended up marrying one of them (while still in prison). There's a psychological term for women like this but they'd see it as unconditional love.

That is to say "putting conditions" on love isn't about "if you love me then you'll (insert buying something or doing some sex act, etc)" but rather being healthy instead of one of those sad victims in need of serious psychological help. It's also about loving & respecting yourself as much as someone else. That's the angle people who don't support the notion of unconditional love are coming at it from.

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posted March 26, 2014 06:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by deepseablues:

PS. I love all you unconditionally despite any differences! See how easy it is

"The pain that you carry is the love you withhold."



Let's see how easy it is once I use your unconditional love to my advantage to go into your home and steal from you or kill your family.

Unconditional Love means accepting someone even if they cheat on you left and right. It means you subject yourself to being treated badly... and it's not good for the other person either because since they have someone in their lives accepting their behavior this way they never learn how destructive the behavior can be.

Unconditional love means you love your neighbor even if he goes into your house and rapes your kids one day. You going to have him over for tea after that?


Humans aren't really capable of unconditional love and those who continue to love someone despite everything they might do, have something psychologically wrong going on. Like those women who stay with husbands who sexually molest their children. They think they're staying because they love their husband, but in reality their just afraid of being alone. So afraid that their willing to sacrifice their own children for it. Their undconditional love of their husbands destroy their children's lives.

Only God, if he/she exists, can safely dole out this love without destruction because he/she is an observer separated from the petty dramas of human life. For the rest of us love is and should be conditional. Anyway that's my view.

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posted March 26, 2014 07:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I don't like the whole idea of it. Everything is a give&take.
It's a really negative thing for love to be unconditional - because then the object of your love falls under the impression they can do whatever the hell they want & they will still be loved.
It's kinda like when parents spoil their kids and turn them into selfish/self-centred adults.

Understanding that negativity has negative consequences.. and that failing to appreciate something means you will lose it - is really important imo


I disagree with you. Just because I love someone unconditionally does NOT mean I accept to be treated like **** .

I wouldn't and don't love just anyone unconditionally and secondly I accept that people are flawed. I accept they are like they are. I don't accept them to change. I also don't have conditions on my love. On my time, yes. On my presence in their life, yes. Not on my love. It's not my place to demand and expect things in order for me to love someone.

The more I think about it, the more people I know that I love unconditionally, with on expectations.

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posted March 26, 2014 07:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LucieLemonade     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by manderin:

Let's see how easy it is once I use your unconditional love to my advantage to go into your home and steal from you or kill your family.

Unconditional Love means accepting someone even if they cheat on you left and right. It means you subject yourself to being treated badly... and it's not good for the other person either because since they have someone in their lives accepting their behavior this way they never learn how destructive the behavior can be.

Unconditional love means you love your neighbor even if he goes into your house and rapes your kids one day. You going to have him over for tea after that?


Humans aren't really capable of unconditional love and those who continue to love someone despite everything they might do, have something psychologically wrong going on. Like those women who stay with husbands who sexually molest their children. They think they're staying because they love their husband, but in reality their just afraid of being alone. So afraid that their willing to sacrifice their own children for it. Their undconditional love of their husbands destroy their children's lives.

Only God, if he/she exists, can safely dole out this love without destruction because he/she is an observer separated from the petty dramas of human life. For the rest of us love is and should be conditional. Anyway that's my view.


Loving unconditionally doesn't mean you will love ANYONE for any reason. It means you love and don't expect anything in return, you don't expect to change them or make them into something else.

But I've never been in a position where I've loved a monster. So, I can only speak from my own experience.


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posted March 26, 2014 09:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for manderin     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LucieLemonade:
Loving unconditionally doesn't mean you will love ANYONE for any reason. It means you love and don't expect anything in return, you don't expect to change them or make them into something else.

But I've never been in a position where I've loved a monster. So, I can only speak from my own experience.


Exactly. It means that if you're in a relationship with a cheater, you don't try to change their behavior or expect them to do something in return for you like stop cheating for you. you will stay with them and love them regardless of all their cheating. How is that healthy for either of you?

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