posted July 30, 2014 03:32 AM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
I kinda disagree but still agree. I will explain:

Every man, in general, has a preference or a style, stemming from his natal chart. Unless there.is really some specific synastry to change that, he will basically stay the same. So it's mainly about natal, and partially in synastry.

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Good points, you are right both charts need to be looked at. Just thought of something, wondering about 7th Harmonic charts. If someone has time to waste to look at them, this shows a slice of the 7th house and relationships, closeness and competition. It also shows the person's fantasies/dreams and the things that turns them on from intimacy to art. The number 7 is a number that gets down to the core of why we do the things we do. Wondering if the aspects in this chart can shed some light too. Things not readily seen in the natal become more focused -- signs change etc. Harmonic charts hum and resonate underneath the natal chart.

posted July 30, 2014 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I think people underestimate sag placements for having this kind of desire or at least close to it.

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Very true.

Sag ASC, Aries sun, Sag moon.
Capricorn sun Sag Moon
Aries Sun, Capricorn Mars

posted July 30, 2014 12:55 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
I kinda disagree but still agree. I will explain:

Every man, in general, has a preference or a style, stemming from his natal chart. Unless there.is really some specific synastry to change that, he will basically stay the same. So it's mainly about natal, and partially in synastry.

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Don't agree. I don't think it comes from your natal chart. It comes from your own personal preference, where and how you're raised, what you're exposed to and so forth. If it steamed from the natal chart then explain multiples. Why is it that they're the same physically(a lot of the time), same birth charts(minus a few minutes) yet completely different people? Or people who are born on the same day and time, are different and have different styles or another example of people with this 'conquering' placement that makes them this way and they're not. How would you explain that? You can't. It's not black and white. There is no rule book unless I missed something and billions of people on the planet are all categorized.

Astrology is a guide based upon judgements and assumptions, it's not the law.

Everyone here has listed something different. I think that speaks for itself lol there is no answer greater than individuality, it's incredible. Certain people bring out certain things.

posted July 30, 2014 01:41 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I think people underestimate sag placements for having this kind of desire or at least close to it.

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posted July 30, 2014 01:59 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
I am venus in scorpio, and 8th house ruler (moon) in 8th house, pluto sextile sun, and i adore doing this

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posted July 30, 2014 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by moonstruck87:
oooo la la

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posted July 30, 2014 02:32 PM            

I would make a difference between "rough, dominant, passionate" and "dominant and degrading", precisely because I have examples for both and the placements and aspects are very different.

Example 1
Definitely conquering. Likes to hold and handle his partner very tightly, roughly. At the same time is very passionate and emotional.
No degrading. A woman can be taken almost forcibly but she is not beneath him, so to say. Doesn't like a woman who tries to dominate him, but likes a passionate woman who responds actively to his urges.

Leo Sun conj BML in Leo conj Jupiter in Leo
Sagittarius Moon trine Aries Mars trine Leo Sun/Jupiter
Scorpio Venus square BML/Jupiter in Leo
Saturn sextile Venus
No contact between Saturn and Mars
Pluto is not very active in natal chart

Example 2
Is more controlling than conquering. Emotionally distant. Likes to appear powerful and likes to put a woman down as a form of sexual play, calling her certain names which I won't quote here. Can be caring outside of bed, but enjoys a certain game in which he appears to roughly use a woman sexually. Physically, much less rough than the previous guy. It appears as if he likes a strong woman to "submit" to him eventually, and he doesn't like it when she is too passionate, preferring for her to become weak and passive with him.

placements and aspects for guy 2

posted July 30, 2014 03:57 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
i can be type 2 if a woman wants it.

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posted July 30, 2014 04:13 PM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
That's technically giving her what she wants rather than being controlling and degrading. If you were truly a type 2 then her WANTING it would be a turn off to you and you'd hate her instead of playing a mutually consenting game. The point of degrading her (or him) from an abuser isn't to arouse her but to destroy her. It's not play but an especially obnoxious form of bullying.

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Yes that's what i meant Oh... I got you now

posted July 30, 2014 04:17 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
Yes that's what i meant Oh... I got you now

Yeh i am type 1 and can roleplay as type 2 That's better put

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posted July 30, 2014 04:18 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Whats type 1 and type 2?

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posted July 30, 2014 05:15 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
I think people underestimate sag placements for having this kind of desire or at least close to it.

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posted July 30, 2014 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
[b]I think people underestimate sag placements for having this kind of desire or at least close to it.

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posted July 30, 2014 05:28 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Perceived being the key word there.

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Super curious since I'm right now dating a guy with natal Sun-Mars conjunction in Sag and a Scorpio Venus.

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
I am naturally type 1. But i can be type 2 if a woman wants it.

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posted July 30, 2014 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Perceived being the key word there.

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posted July 30, 2014 05:57 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:

But what do you want a woman to be like, naturally?

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A girl who wants to be humiliated will eventually bore me, because this kinda kills romance and passion.

posted July 30, 2014 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
A girl who wants to be humiliated will eventually bore me, because this kinda kills romance and passion.

I prefer a girl who wants to be roughly dominated but with romance and passion.

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Mars in Libra and your vibe doesn't fit the vibe I'm trying to capture in my O.P.. you seem to enjoy it .. but you do it in different ways if you know what I mean

posted July 30, 2014 06:08 PM            

First thing common with four of them that I know of. (My dad being one that I've just been told stories from my mom) - Jealousy. Craaaaazy jealousy! One was very cap heavy and she just took things next level! And violent.
The other was Sag sun, moon, and mercury. Still very very jealous! (some movies were off limits!)
A guy at work is very jealous (even with ex's) and is EXTREMELY snoopy! He will look at any private information from any person that is easily available to him. He's Sag sun and moon.

Also, yes cheerful, but when the doors closed the crazy came out and I don't mean anything sexual. Even with the sag guy at work. When he talked privately with me blowing things off and being cheerful was not his strong point.
He in particular was just kind of paranoid that people were talking about him or setting him up.

Secondly, the sexual thing.
My dad... IDK. Don't want to. But my mom has aqua mars (He's gemini mars) so.... yeah, not going there.
The guy at work (Sag sun and moon) used to talk to me about him and his gf and how dirty she is, etc. I really didn't care to hear and usually didn't respond much to his telling me. But he would tell me.
The ex's seemed to have that streak in them. One telling me these stories of her sexual past.
Then, there's the 5th that I haven't gotten much information on, don't care to honestly. But I was kind of briefed you might say on how they were. Fit the bill here for sure.

posted July 30, 2014 06:26 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
Mars in Libra and your vibe doesn't fit the vibe I'm trying to capture in my O.P.. you seem to enjoy it .. but you do it in different ways if you know what I mean

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Being dominant and ravaging satisfies other parts of me, maybe not my mars. It satisfies my emotions and my ego.

posted July 30, 2014 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
This is a genuine question, no this is not here to stir up any sexist discussion or enforce gender stereotypes.

What kind of placements in a male's chart would have him become more aroused at the idea of 'conquering' and being extremely dominate almost to the point of being forceful to her in the act of sex? And prefer it to say, when the woman is on the same level passion and activity of him instead of being more receptive/passive?
No this is not about rape.

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posted July 30, 2014 06:47 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:

I prefer a girl who wants to be roughly dominated but with romance and passion.

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