posted July 30, 2014 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow DF, you've met some crazy saggys!!
I've only known 3 saggy Suns, one was off the wall crazy n jealous and the other 2 were like me, laid back n chill. I think it's more about the moon sign mixing with the Sun.
My virgo moon in 12th tames my saggy sun huge!
My other saggy friend had a pisces moon, chill guy!
The other has a cancer moon, very laid back also!

Maybe it's the water that tames saggy energy, water puts fire out? My moon in 12th gives me a lot of water!

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Yeah, my dad had cancer moon and Idk TOO much of behind closed doors. Just what my mom told me from years ago.
The violent ex, that's the one I mentioned in the Pluto/spirtual thread.

The triple sag ex... Yep! She was just straight jealous. I'll never forget we were watching "The big lebowski" and when that nude artist on the swing came up she shut it off. Flipped out and accused me of wanting to watch it because it had that scene. I didn't even find her attractive! lol

The guy at work too... Sun/moon.

But, I try not to generalize. Which it is and it isn't. Sag isn't known for that yet that's what I've always seen in them. *shrug*

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posted July 30, 2014 06:52 PM            

There was one with a Dec 2 birthday that wanted to go out but I politely dropped the hints that, "no. I like you but not for intimacy" she'd be 2nd probably, right?
My moon is 26 Gemini in 9th so that may be the connection and my sun 27 Leo so that too.

posted July 30, 2014 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
@MagnumJoe
No idea, I can only tell you my impulses, I can't tell you them unless you pay me *ahem* jk

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How much ?

Lol

I just like to be this way. But no objectification though.

The difference is:

If guy 1 speaks, he will say: I love you/ You are amazing/ Damn i want you so much.

posted July 30, 2014 07:25 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Well, I can think of 4-5 Sag's that I know

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
The guy at work (Sag sun and moon) used to talk to me about him and his gf and how dirty she is, etc. I really didn't care to hear and usually didn't respond much to his telling me. But he would tell me.

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Hmm I haven't been told stories about the sexual past yet, but I did notice an affinity towards cheesy sexual jokes and hints. Not really dirty but sort of naughty anyway.

posted July 30, 2014 07:54 PM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:
I'm phrasing this very very carefully to keep the thread open.

I would make a difference between "rough, dominant, passionate" and "dominant and degrading", precisely because I have examples for both and the placements and aspects are very different.

Example 1
Definitely conquering. Likes to hold and handle his partner very tightly, roughly. At the same time is very passionate and emotional.
No degrading. A woman can be taken almost forcibly but she is not beneath him, so to say. Doesn't like a woman who tries to dominate him, but likes a passionate woman who responds actively to his urges.

Leo Sun conj BML in Leo conj Jupiter in Leo
Sagittarius Moon trine Aries Mars trine Leo Sun/Jupiter
Scorpio Venus square BML/Jupiter in Leo
Saturn sextile Venus
No contact between Saturn and Mars
Pluto is not very active in natal chart

Example 2
Is more controlling than conquering. Emotionally distant. Likes to appear powerful and likes to put a woman down as a form of sexual play, calling her certain names which I won't quote here. Can be caring outside of bed, but enjoys a certain game in which he appears to roughly use a woman sexually. Physically, much less rough than the previous guy. It appears as if he likes a strong woman to "submit" to him eventually, and he doesn't like it when she is too passionate, preferring for her to become weak and passive with him.

placements and aspects for guy 2

Sun tightly conj Mars in Gemini (1 degree)
Venus in Leo square Saturn in Libra
Venus semisquare Mars
Pluto tightly conj Saturn in Libra (1 degree)
Venus opp BML in Aquarius
Mars trine Pluto
Mars trine Saturn
5th house in Capricorn
8th house in Aries
Moon in Cancer in 10th house (not sure if significant)

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posted July 30, 2014 08:19 PM            

For example number one.

posted July 30, 2014 08:25 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Sun in Scorpio
And
Mars in sag.

For example number one.

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posted July 30, 2014 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by MagnumJoe:
My match

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You are a sun in Scorpio with mars in sag or you have been with someone with this placement??

posted July 30, 2014 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
You are a sun in Scorpio with mars in sag or you have been with someone with this placement??

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No i am example number 1

posted July 30, 2014 09:25 PM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Yeah, my dad had cancer moon and Idk TOO much of behind closed doors. Just what my mom told me from years ago.
The violent ex, that's the one I mentioned in the Pluto/spirtual thread.

The triple sag ex... Yep! She was just straight jealous. I'll never forget we were watching "The big lebowski" and when that nude artist on the swing came up she shut it off. Flipped out and accused me of wanting to watch it because it had that scene. I didn't even find her attractive! lol

The guy at work too... Sun/moon.

But, I try not to generalize. Which it is and it isn't. Sag isn't known for that yet that's what I've always seen in them. *shrug*

You've always seemed chill even when things get heated around here so maybe I pull on a certain kind of sag irl.

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I don't see the purpose in jealousy, it just seems to point out your own insecurities. If I feel jealousy I see it as a trigger for some insecurity that's hurting me, it's time for me to step back and analyze myself not freak out on someone else like they did something against me.

posted July 30, 2014 09:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I don't see the purpose in jealousy, it just seems to point out your own insecurities. If I feel jealousy I see it as a trigger for some insecurity that's hurting me, it's time for me to step back and analyze myself not freak out on someone else like they did something against me.

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posted July 30, 2014 09:48 PM            

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Originally posted by amelia28:
Nicee..so what are your placements that you feel contribute to your example number one style??

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posted July 30, 2014 10:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
Yes!! So true, I've always said this. I wish people saw it the way we did.

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posted July 30, 2014 10:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Maybe it's the libra we share? Things like that seem so ugly to me...when I feel jealousy i feel disappointed in myself!

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posted July 30, 2014 11:32 PM            

Check BML and PRIAPUS.

When they're activated in synastry, you're liable to see BDSM in the interpersonal dynamics.

On top of that, I tend to see hard aspects involving sexual / romantic points (VENUS, MARS, PSYCHE, EROS, 5R, 8R) to dominance / submission markers (BML and PRIAPUS, LILITH, PLUTO, SATURN, NEPTUNE) whereas URANUS is a wildcard.

I've studied dozens of charts this way since last year. I'm very pleased so far. Especially by expanding my scope to NYMPHE, LUST, and VALENTINE).

There are certain Midpoints, when activated by conjunction (near MP), will influence sexual dynamics.

My VENUS is on my dominant's VENUS/PLUTO. My SUN is on his MARS/LILITH. That's an interesting, contradictory combination. He sees me very clearly as a dominant woman. However. A man's VENUS/PLUTO is wired towards a dominant sexual orientation. Should a woman's sexual point hit it, it's activated; if a masculine point, he may be drawn to her aggression or outward more masculine expression. A sort of dom/domme vibration. If her MOON or VENUS, her femininity and emotional expression incites his sexually dominant response.

If these Midpoints and aspects involve the 2H (physical), 5H (pleasure) and 8H (sexual) houses, they will likely take form.

As a kind of rule, when one's SATURN overlays in the 8H, they will tend to seek sexual dominance over the 8H person. MARS overlaying in 2H has a similar effect, where the MARS seeks to 'own' the 2H's sexuality.

Just to name a few.

posted July 30, 2014 11:35 PM            

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Originally posted by KarkaQueen:
The 2nd guy I mentioned, the one with the Moon sq Neptune likes to conquer women during sex without romance and affection, likes to see them as objects and uses for his pleasure.. different from the 1st guy

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This CAN show an objectification paraphilia -- but typically when it's afflicted and involving the 2H/8H axis. If PRIAPUS is a part of the configuration, it tends more to be a tendency towards male submission.

posted July 30, 2014 11:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Barbiegirl19:
I think so I've never met a jealous Libra, vindictive lol but not jealous, too busy fighting for balance. Jealousy is so ugly to me too, I've never been jealous and never understood how people could be. It's such a waste of time and energy IMO. I think the problem is that everyone's so worried about everybody else and not their own lives, everybody wants to one up each other and I just don't get it. People care to much about what others thinks especially strangers.

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posted July 30, 2014 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by IndigoDirae:
On top of that, I tend to see hard aspects involving sexual / romantic points (VENUS, MARS, PSYCHE, EROS, 5R, 8R) to dominance / submission markers (BML and PRIAPUS, LILITH, PLUTO, SATURN, NEPTUNE) whereas URANUS is a wildcard.

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posted July 30, 2014 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Agreed!! If ppl could keep their noses in their own lives and work on themselves instead of worrying about what goes on with other ppls lives, they probably could improve their own lives what a concept!! Lol

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posted July 31, 2014 12:00 AM            

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Originally posted by DeepFreeze:
Part of the Venus conjunct nn lesson that she teaches me. She teaches me a great way to love. I'm the student. (and the nn)
I really feel that aspect.

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posted July 31, 2014 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by starrynight:

You know I actually remember a case in which there was a tight square in synastry:
his ruler of 8th Saturn square her ruler of 5th Mars
Not sure about other stuff, but you know how they usually define Saturn square Mars in synastry as very little sex and restricting others' actions? They didn't have that, an occasional battle of wills yes, but lots of sex which sometimes bordered on forced in its intensity. He seemed to enjoy overpowering her. I thought that was Saturn square Mars showing through as a control issue. He even called it 'taming a wild lioness'. (She's a Leo sun conj Leo Rising, btw) And he didn't want her to be weak and passive either, hence the lioness reference, but it's like his Saturn needed to assert dominance.

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