posted December 01, 2014 08:02 PM            

To me, Mercury rules Gemini and Chiron rules Virgo. Perhaps, Vesta may rule Virgo.

Now, that I am more experienced with Astrology, I ask myself these questions.

Any thoughts? xx

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posted December 01, 2014 08:37 PM            

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Originally posted by lvASTRO:
I agree with you on Venus-Libra. Libra rules the ideals, IMO. I think Earth/Asc is more Taurus-based; where Libra is more cerebral/ideals, Taurus is more tactile/earthly, hence the physical plane here on earth.

I agree with Chiron ruling Virgo. Gemini-Mercury for sure.

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EXACTLY! What would you think for Taurus though?

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posted December 01, 2014 08:38 PM            

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Originally posted by socialgraffiti:
I think Ceres rules Taurus.

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To me, personally, Ceres does not feel right. Perhaps, Pallas. I don't know.

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posted December 01, 2014 08:43 PM            

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posted December 01, 2014 09:06 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:

To me, personally, Ceres does not feel right. Perhaps, Pallas. I don't know.

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posted December 01, 2014 09:29 PM            

However, it would have to be earthy for sure!

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posted December 01, 2014 11:45 PM            

Cancer and Leo are paired, "I" and "me" the individual
Virgo and Gemini, routines and adaptability
Libra and Taurus, harmony (at home and outside the home)
Scorpio and Aries, recognition
Capricorn and Aquarius, habits (forming and breaking)
Sagittarius and Pisces, spirituality

In keeping with this pairing of signs there would be planetary mates:
Sun and Moon
Mercury and planet "z" yet to be discovered
Venus and planet "y" yet to be discovered
Scorpio and Mars
Saturn and Uranus
Jupiter and Neptune

You can read about this theory in the books and correspondance course of Carl Payne Tobey. He did a study of Gemini Sun sign after consistently receiving reports and making observations of drastic behaviorial changes in Gemini's that could not be attributed to any other influence, other than planet "z" being in transit affecting Gemini Sun. When this astrologer studies a sign he focuses on charts that have heavy influence in a sign so that the essence of the sign is most pure and the influences are easily recognized and disguinshed. Anyway, I can't remember the dates or where planet "z" was said to be at the time of the study (I think it was near the end of Pisces). Sorry for lack of detail. I will have to read the material again and report back.

The point is that he attributes Mercury to Virgo and planet "z" to Gemini because of this study. He also considers Gemini and Virgo mate signs so there will be a Gemini influence to both, but in differing ways.
That leaves Venus. He assigns Venus to Libra and the other missing planet "y" to Taurus. Because Libra and Taurus are mate signs Venus will still have an influence on both but in differing ways.

There are other threads that discuss this theory. I don't think it is fair to discount a theory if you don't know anything about it. Do your own research and discovery, then comment on it as an expert. In my experience it is worth consideration, even though I'm far from being an expert on any theory.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013544.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/224885.html

posted December 02, 2014 12:29 AM            

Aries = Mars direct
Scorpio = Mars Rx
Taurus = Venus Rx
Libra = Venus direct
... etc.

The difference is polarity (+) or (-), not planet/ruler.

These are indicated by the color that each planet vibrates to:

Sun = orange
Moon = violet
Mercury = yellow
Venus = cyan/light blue
Mars = red
Jupiter = blue
Saturn = green
Uranus = saturated green
Neptune = saturated blue
Pluto = saturated red

Everything comes down to energy. Asteroids don't have energies strong enough to be primary energies in this solar system.

I would be more accurate to say we don't yet know what specific energies (measurable resonant frequencies) these asteroids emit.

Trust me as a Taurus, Venus does rule Taurus. It simply operates through Taurus as if Rx, in negative polarity in keeping with the nature of the earth element and in fixed manner, so more slowly.

In the mythology Chiron was given a special place in Sagittarius by Zeus because of his honored work. I'd say its a pretty safe bet that Chiron resonates to blue.

posted December 02, 2014 06:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
In my opinion;

-Libra is ruled by Venus
-Gemini is ruled by Mercury
-Virgo is ruled by Chiron, and co-ruled by Mercury (just as Aquarius, Scorpio and Pisces are co-ruled by their traditional rulers)
-Taurus is ruled by Earth, and co-ruled by Venus

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I mostly like your take on things ^.. except I'm not sure about Virgo-Chiron. "The wounded healer"... I don't know if it really sounds like Virgo.

posted December 02, 2014 06:13 AM            

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These are indicated by the color that each planet vibrates to:

Sun = orange
Moon = violet
Mercury = yellow
Venus = cyan/light blue
Mars = red
Jupiter = blue
Saturn = green
Uranus = saturated green
Neptune = saturated blue
Pluto = saturated red

Everything comes down to energy.

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posted December 02, 2014 07:35 AM            

The Rx is interesting!

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posted December 02, 2014 10:49 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
I mostly like your take on things ^.. except I'm not sure about Virgo-Chiron. "The wounded healer"... I don't know if it really sounds like Virgo.

Why did you guys choose Chiron for Virgo?

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Well I see Chiron as representing Virgo as a whole. To me, Chiron is our reflective consciousness, sensitivity and awareness to the world around us... with that knowledge, is what makes us wise. And Virgo is the sign that possess a very high consciousness, as it is logical to the core. It is able to open it's sensitive mind from the various filters that people tend to look through and see reality in it's truest form.

Now Sagittarius/Jupiter is about meaning and Philosophy, but Virgo/Chiron is just about the truth in the matter, as to what is really going on. Capricorn/Saturn is about the limit to our reality... what is real, and what isn't. What is possible, and what is impossible - our sense of practicality and of the situation.

posted December 03, 2014 08:41 AM            

That makes sense about the Retro rulers. Can you explain more? Thanks!

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posted December 03, 2014 04:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
I am Virgo rising and to me Mercury is totally my Chart ruler. Sorry, no Chiron. Nothing ever happens even transit-wise with Chiron - when planets hit Mercury, changes are happening that affect my whole life.

BUT if Chiron is to be considered as a "ruler", then it must also be considered in aspects, right? And if an otherwise unaspected planet aspects Chiron, that unaspected planet shouldn't be considered as such anymore?

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Each sign should have it's own ruler and that ruler should make sense.

Gemini is Mercury's sign in my opinion and very much more so than Virgo, imo.

Hence, I would still look to some other planet for Virgo.

Chiron fits for me for Virgo but perhaps there is a better fit out there which has yet to be discovered.

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posted December 05, 2014 04:11 PM            

Venus loves earthly pleasures like food, sex, clothing, possessions so Taurus fits pretty well imo.

posted December 05, 2014 04:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Mercurian Intellect:
^Not everyone considers transits though... I don't.

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I agree, M!

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posted December 06, 2014 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Although, often astrologers keep both planets: the old ruler and the new ruler. Saturn is often mentioned as a co-ruler of Aquarius, Mars as a co-ruler of Scorpio and Jupiter as a co-ruler of Pisces. So even after we are clear on the rulers of Taurus and Virgo, we'll probably still use both planets for these signs.

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No doubt about this. Venus and Mercury would at the very least co-rule Taurus and Virgo. Taurus and Virgo would be virtually unrecognizable to me without at least some Venus and Mercury influence.

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Trust me as a Taurus, Venus does rule Taurus. It simply operates through Taurus as if Rx, in negative polarity in keeping with the nature of the earth element and in fixed manner, so more slowly.

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I very much resonate with the idea of Mercury and Venus operating like they’re Rx in while ruling the feminine signs Taurus and Virgo.

Taurus accumulates and spends a lot of time going back and appreciating the goods it already has.

Virgo is all about organizing, and spends a lot of energy re-checking things, and keeping them correctly ‘filed‘.

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Originally posted by Selene:
I am Virgo rising and to me Mercury is totally my Chart ruler. Sorry, no Chiron. Nothing ever happens even transit-wise with Chiron - when planets hit Mercury, changes are happening that affect my whole life.

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Chiron ruling any sign is a hard one for me to swallow. Chiron is not even a Dwarf Planet (a Pluto size body).

From Wikipedia… The IAU recognizes five bodies as dwarf planets: Ceres, Pluto, Eris, Haumea, and Makemake. Ceres and Pluto are known to be dwarf planets through direct observation. Eris is generally accepted as a dwarf planet because it is more massive than Pluto, whereas Haumea and Makemake qualified to be assigned names as dwarf planets based on their absolute magnitudes.

Ceres is the only dwarf planet in the asteroid belt. All the rest are transneptunians (beyond Neptune). Pluto and Eris are the largest transneptunians. Ceres is a very small dwarf planet but it’s closer then the others. Not much is yet understood about Haurmea and Makemake, at least in popular astrology.