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Lotis White
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posted December 06, 2014 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lotis White     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
MORE ON THE TOPIC OF LIBRA AND ERIS…

A couple of years ago I started a thread discussing weather or not the new planet Eris rules or co-rules Libra... after all Eris' theme has do with a beauty contest, and is said to be associated with discord and controversy (Things Libra may not like, and yet they are constantly prevailed upon to solve or negotiate through these things with their diplomatic skill).

So here’s the post I started the thread with…

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I picked up a new Astrology encyclopedia at Barnes and Noble some weeks ago and when I looked up Eris there was a paragraph about how Eris is likely to wind up being the new ruler or co-ruler or Libra. This surprised me as I’d never considered the possibility before. Since then the notion that Eris may rule Libra has been running through my mind, and I think in a lot of ways it does make sense.

Although I’d still keep Venus as co-ruler of Libra, as Libra no doubt has some strong Venus-like qualities, like an easy-going sweet nature, and a fascination with beauty and the arts. The Venus part of Libra is that part that just wants to get along with everyone, and fill their relationships with warmth and affection. It is the soft part of Libra….

But there’s another side to the sign of the scales. Libra also has an firm preoccupation justice and objectivity. They insist on fairness in any situation in which they are involved and may even stir up controversy and debate, in order to see that justice is served, and that all parties concerned have a chance to air their viewpoints and be taken into consideration. Libras are excellent social mediators in any disagreement. When they are angered instead of rushing in with fiery rage like an Aries, they take a civilized approach involving rational thinking and strategy in order to tackle their advisories. This seems to me to be the strong Eris ruled side of Libra that will actually start a conflict in order to insure fair outcomes. Eris may be the cool headed warrior as opposed to Aries the hot headed warrior.

Anyway, I copied and pasted an excerpt from an astrologers blog below, which goes into much more detail on the subject.

Disclaimer: The article below is not mine.

AstrologyandPsychicPredictions.com weblog

Daily Archives: August 9, 2010

Eris – Rulership and Rehabilitation

After an astrologer friend suggested the notion that Eris was the true ruler of Libra I thought about it (for a very long time – about a year now). It was her opinion that Venus didn’t seem to be the true ruler of Libra but rather Taurus and we talked at length over the course of this year about the legend of Eris and some of the qualities that really don’t fit Libra. First of all there are more Libra generals than pretty much any other sign, they are amazing tacticians and well-known for being fierce competitors, and in my experience they are the most competitive of all signs. They are creative and visual, no doubt which is why they fell under the purview of Venus for so long. However they are not sensual like Venus, Taurus however is. Taurus loves great food, fine wine, beautiful things, and has a curvy sensuality that Libra is missing. Libras are more intellectual, more in their head and often disconnected from their bodies. While it is true that they like nice things as long as they are intellectually stimulated they can do without them. Taurus however needs to eat a great meal no matter how little money they have they will use what little they have on the perfect gourmet spice or amazing wine. They are also willing to work for other people without taking this on as their identity. They can separate work, seeing it as a means to an end – the end being a nice lifestyle where as a Libra would rather be a pauper who works for himself doing what he loves than a rich man who works for a paycheck just to support himself in a luxurious lifestyle. Now I’m not saying all Taurus people live a life of luxury, I’m just saying that work is work and their lives are not defined by it in the same way – it’s just a job. To a Libra its time wasted when they could be busy daydreaming or working on something of value to them personally.

At first I resisted the idea that Eris was the ruler of Libra after all she isn’t really considered a very “nice” Goddess and Libras are generally thought to be very nice – they avoid conflict, they don’t like disharmony and I have Mars in Libra and have many Libra friends so I felt sort of bad thrusting this sort of odd ball Goddess on them. However after much thought I think my friend’s observation is correct. Eris is the sister of Aries. Aries is the other side of the astrological coin to Libra. And in many ways she fits the Libra traits if we strip away some of the judgment put upon her by the ancients.

The legend or myth basically tells the story of a wedding in which all the Gods were invited except Eris (due to her association with disharmony). She was upset by this and came up with a strategy to get even in a very clever and covert way, she threw a golden apple into the proceedings which read: To the fairest. Of course all the egotistical Goddesses thought it was for them, Hera, Aphrodite and Athena. The three women fought over it and then asked Zeus to judge who the apple was for, being the father and husband he decided it wasn’t a good move to judge such a competition and asked Paris to do the honors. Each of the Goddesses offered him a bribe. Aphrodite’s won out and he was given the most beautiful mortal woman in the world to take as his wife Helen of Troy. This of course caused the Trojan war.

Now on the surface this is kind of a nasty thing to do, however one must admit that Eris was prejudged and instead of internalizing the hurt she turned it around in a clever way to make a point. She waged a war against those who had castigated her. If she had been a man, this would have been a sign of strength – she was in fact a warrior. Her strategy used psychology and surprise – very modern war methodology, in fact it very much resembles the Trojan horse that was to come in the wake of this supposed event. She used her enemies vanity and megalomania against them and in fact they are the ones who chose to respond with bribery and promises in order to win this imaginary and empty competition. She used her understanding of psychology to manipulate those who had hurt her, in order to teach them a lesson – after all they had been unfair to her.

Now her strategic genius would make sense in relationship with Libra. It would explain why there are so many generals who have been Libras and (I believe famous chess players as well). It would also explain the competitive spirit Libras have – the challenge they find and need to fuel them in their work, whether it is competing with themselves to do better, or with a rival they want to show up.

I was told by a prominent astrologer I studied with early on (many, many, many years ago) that there were more people born with Libra rising in the US than any other sign. He said it was something close to 50 percent (or something of that nature) totally out of balance with what one would expect, due to the fact that we are far north, and Libra rises for the longest period of time during most of the year. And we are by far the most competitive people on the planet, we take great pride in our work and love being entrepreneurs and working for ourselves.

In many ways Libras have much in common with Aries people, except Libras, instead of being direct and straightforward, work behind the scenes, get their ducks in a row and then strike. They don’t like being in the center of an arguments especially prolonged ones. They prefer to plan their attack and then let nature take its course. This can upset the apple cart, but that’s OK as long as they aren’t there when it turns over (much like Eris).

So instead of seeing Eris as the Goddess of Discord I prefer to take her back to what I imagine was probably her proper place – before her power was taken away due to the change from a matriarchal society into a patriarchal, and think of her as a supreme warrior and brilliant strategist capable of winning even when all the odds and all the Gods were against her!

I’ll dissect how it affects people as individuals and what it means in people’s charts in the next post on her.

Best wishes and many blessings,

Denise

THE END

***

Here's a link to the rest of the thread.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206752.html


Yeah, I was thinking it’s possible that Eris could co-rule Libra along with Venus. With Venus representing the sweet agreeable side of Libra that loves affection…. And Eris representing the part of Libra the crusades for justice, and will even start an argument or a debate for the sake of insuring a fair outcome to an issue.

Yes, Libra’s like to get along with everybody, but sometimes they can be argumentative or contrary on purpose if they are trying to make a point. Libra can be a bit like Aquarius at times, in that they have an obsession with objectivity and hate any kind of bias… However when Libra goes into debate/renegotiation mode they are often able to do it with Venus’ sweet tact glazed over the top of their reasoning. They will use charm and logic to try and win over or overcome their adversaries, in a calm and collected type of way. That’s why I think of Libra as the cool headed warrior as opposed to Aries, the hot-headed, spontaneous, thinks on their feet type warrior. Libra plans a strategy and carefully thinks things through before taking action… Aries jumps right in there in the passion of the moment and lets the chips fall where they may…

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posted December 06, 2014 05:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for midnightvenus     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I once read a theory that said Lilith rules Taurus and Chiron rules Virgo. But I was like, nah

IMO Venus rules Taurus. And I feel it should be exalted in Leo.

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posted August 01, 2015 08:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this post by googling it as I wondered what ideas people have had recently about the ruler of Taurus.

I've not doubted in a decade or more that Chiron is the ruler of Virgo. Anybody who has studied Chiron will see the correlations are perfect. The test comes with the transit measurements, whether the midheaven extension process (Noel Tyl's clever invention) still works and I've found it does.

I've tried the same with Taurus being ruled by Earth (with the premise that the Earth falls opposite the Sun in a chart) but, it simply doesn't work. It's a shame as the principles fit so well but in practise it doesn't come through.

Eris is too slow moving to be of any interest to me, sorry. It just doesn't *feel* like it's personal, it feels like something you'd use in topical astrology to understand generational changes. It simply has no place in natal astrology.

For me Venus rules Libra 100% I can't even imagine how this could be questioned haha!! Venus is not stubborn, bogged down by routines and earth focussed. Venus is a siren, a kaleidoscopre of colour and a pride in aesthetics. Venus is ego love, the basics, you need to bring Neptune in for the higher love, which is why she exalts in Pisces.

So back to the original premise. Does Ceres rule Taurus, or indeed could Juno? Juno is possessive and unmoving in her affections. The most important distinction I believe, when considering Taurus, is the sensory side of the sign. The emphasis on tactility but also the very human experience of the bodily senses. This must be the primary link-up when considering the ruler of Taurus.

I guess I need to do day to day study on Ceres and Juno to see if either of these actually correlate to this!!

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posted August 01, 2015 08:14 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with Kannon.

I have a question though.

What do you think about Venus and Libra because Venus is feminine and ruling a masculine sign?
Same with mercury.

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posted August 01, 2015 08:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for goddessinworld     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Aries = Mars direct
Scorpio = Mars Rx


this is really interesting. so I guess Aquarius would be Saturn Rx and Capricorn Saturn direct?

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Personally, I used to take Chiron as the ruler of Virgo.. However, since then, I've come to feel Vesta resonates pretty strongly with Virgo.. If you really get into the mythology.

Vesta deals a lot with our devotion to something.. To a cause.. I think it also deals a lot with independence and sovereignty. The thing is, even while Virgo is service oriented, it can only really truly be this way once it's gone deep within, and then found how it is able to individually serve those around it. This is also something that takes devotion and commitment.. And skill development. And, to me, the 6th house is one of the major houses when it comes to developing skills/abilities and routines.

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posted August 01, 2015 08:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for waxlobster     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We all have different paths and mine doesn't weave through mythological teachings. I don't feel they're relevant to what I do. I work with natals and synastry charts and so I have to try and test the transits and extension process to make sure it's accurate enough to use in insights and predictions. Chiron does work for that but....perhaps if you read in a different way something else works for that perspective.

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Originally posted by PlutoSurvivor:
There is a theory in mathematical astrology that associates each planet with a sign based on the planet's mean distance from the Sun, and mate signs are given for similar planetary influences. So far we have 10 and two planets are yet to be discovered according to this theory.

Cancer and Leo are paired, "I" and "me" the individual
Virgo and Gemini, routines and adaptability
Libra and Taurus, harmony (at home and outside the home)
Scorpio and Aries, recognition
Capricorn and Aquarius, habits (forming and breaking)
Sagittarius and Pisces, spirituality

In keeping with this pairing of signs there would be planetary mates:
Sun and Moon
Mercury and planet "z" yet to be discovered
Venus and planet "y" yet to be discovered
Scorpio and Mars
Saturn and Uranus
Jupiter and Neptune

You can read about this theory in the books and correspondance course of Carl Payne Tobey. He did a study of Gemini Sun sign after consistently receiving reports and making observations of drastic behaviorial changes in Gemini's that could not be attributed to any other influence, other than planet "z" being in transit affecting Gemini Sun. When this astrologer studies a sign he focuses on charts that have heavy influence in a sign so that the essence of the sign is most pure and the influences are easily recognized and disguinshed. Anyway, I can't remember the dates or where planet "z" was said to be at the time of the study (I think it was near the end of Pisces). Sorry for lack of detail. I will have to read the material again and report back.

The point is that he attributes Mercury to Virgo and planet "z" to Gemini because of this study. He also considers Gemini and Virgo mate signs so there will be a Gemini influence to both, but in differing ways.
That leaves Venus. He assigns Venus to Libra and the other missing planet "y" to Taurus. Because Libra and Taurus are mate signs Venus will still have an influence on both but in differing ways.

There are other threads that discuss this theory. I don't think it is fair to discount a theory if you don't know anything about it. Do your own research and discovery, then comment on it as an expert. In my experience it is worth consideration, even though I'm far from being an expert on any theory.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013544.html
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/224885.html


It's interesting that they actually go counter-clockwise as well, at least until Capricorn.

Sun - Leo
Moon - Cancer
Mercury - Gemini
Venus - Taurus (no question in my mind about Venus ruling Taurus)
Mars -Aries
then we have Pisces/ Sagittarius - Jupiter and Neptune
Capricorn/Aquarius - Saturn and Uranus
Pluto comes as natural for Scorpio

the only ones with an attribution problem are Libra and Virgo
I always felt a Jupiter tonality to Libra, and a Venus tonality with Virgo.
but they would need two extra planets indeed.

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posted August 01, 2015 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Lotis White:
MORE ON THE TOPIC OF LIBRA AND ERIS…

A couple of years ago I started a thread discussing weather or not the new planet Eris rules or co-rules Libra... after all Eris' theme has do with a beauty contest, and is said to be associated with discord and controversy (Things Libra may not like, and yet they are constantly prevailed upon to solve or negotiate through these things with their diplomatic skill).

So here’s the post I started the thread with…

***

I picked up a new Astrology encyclopedia at Barnes and Noble some weeks ago and when I looked up Eris there was a paragraph about how Eris is likely to wind up being the new ruler or co-ruler or Libra. This surprised me as I’d never considered the possibility before. Since then the notion that Eris may rule Libra has been running through my mind, and I think in a lot of ways it does make sense.

Although I’d still keep Venus as co-ruler of Libra, as Libra no doubt has some strong Venus-like qualities, like an easy-going sweet nature, and a fascination with beauty and the arts. The Venus part of Libra is that part that just wants to get along with everyone, and fill their relationships with warmth and affection. It is the soft part of Libra….

But there’s another side to the sign of the scales. Libra also has an firm preoccupation justice and objectivity. They insist on fairness in any situation in which they are involved and may even stir up controversy and debate, in order to see that justice is served, and that all parties concerned have a chance to air their viewpoints and be taken into consideration. Libras are excellent social mediators in any disagreement. When they are angered instead of rushing in with fiery rage like an Aries, they take a civilized approach involving rational thinking and strategy in order to tackle their advisories. This seems to me to be the strong Eris ruled side of Libra that will actually start a conflict in order to insure fair outcomes. Eris may be the cool headed warrior as opposed to Aries the hot headed warrior.

Anyway, I copied and pasted an excerpt from an astrologers blog below, which goes into much more detail on the subject.

Disclaimer: The article below is not mine.

AstrologyandPsychicPredictions.com weblog

Daily Archives: August 9, 2010

Eris – Rulership and Rehabilitation

After an astrologer friend suggested the notion that Eris was the true ruler of Libra I thought about it (for a very long time – about a year now). It was her opinion that Venus didn’t seem to be the true ruler of Libra but rather Taurus and we talked at length over the course of this year about the legend of Eris and some of the qualities that really don’t fit Libra. First of all there are more Libra generals than pretty much any other sign, they are amazing tacticians and well-known for being fierce competitors, and in my experience they are the most competitive of all signs. They are creative and visual, no doubt which is why they fell under the purview of Venus for so long. However they are not sensual like Venus, Taurus however is. Taurus loves great food, fine wine, beautiful things, and has a curvy sensuality that Libra is missing. Libras are more intellectual, more in their head and often disconnected from their bodies. While it is true that they like nice things as long as they are intellectually stimulated they can do without them. Taurus however needs to eat a great meal no matter how little money they have they will use what little they have on the perfect gourmet spice or amazing wine. They are also willing to work for other people without taking this on as their identity. They can separate work, seeing it as a means to an end – the end being a nice lifestyle where as a Libra would rather be a pauper who works for himself doing what he loves than a rich man who works for a paycheck just to support himself in a luxurious lifestyle. Now I’m not saying all Taurus people live a life of luxury, I’m just saying that work is work and their lives are not defined by it in the same way – it’s just a job. To a Libra its time wasted when they could be busy daydreaming or working on something of value to them personally.

At first I resisted the idea that Eris was the ruler of Libra after all she isn’t really considered a very “nice” Goddess and Libras are generally thought to be very nice – they avoid conflict, they don’t like disharmony and I have Mars in Libra and have many Libra friends so I felt sort of bad thrusting this sort of odd ball Goddess on them. However after much thought I think my friend’s observation is correct. Eris is the sister of Aries. Aries is the other side of the astrological coin to Libra. And in many ways she fits the Libra traits if we strip away some of the judgment put upon her by the ancients.

The legend or myth basically tells the story of a wedding in which all the Gods were invited except Eris (due to her association with disharmony). She was upset by this and came up with a strategy to get even in a very clever and covert way, she threw a golden apple into the proceedings which read: To the fairest. Of course all the egotistical Goddesses thought it was for them, Hera, Aphrodite and Athena. The three women fought over it and then asked Zeus to judge who the apple was for, being the father and husband he decided it wasn’t a good move to judge such a competition and asked Paris to do the honors. Each of the Goddesses offered him a bribe. Aphrodite’s won out and he was given the most beautiful mortal woman in the world to take as his wife Helen of Troy. This of course caused the Trojan war.

Now on the surface this is kind of a nasty thing to do, however one must admit that Eris was prejudged and instead of internalizing the hurt she turned it around in a clever way to make a point. She waged a war against those who had castigated her. If she had been a man, this would have been a sign of strength – she was in fact a warrior. Her strategy used psychology and surprise – very modern war methodology, in fact it very much resembles the Trojan horse that was to come in the wake of this supposed event. She used her enemies vanity and megalomania against them and in fact they are the ones who chose to respond with bribery and promises in order to win this imaginary and empty competition. She used her understanding of psychology to manipulate those who had hurt her, in order to teach them a lesson – after all they had been unfair to her.

Now her strategic genius would make sense in relationship with Libra. It would explain why there are so many generals who have been Libras and (I believe famous chess players as well). It would also explain the competitive spirit Libras have – the challenge they find and need to fuel them in their work, whether it is competing with themselves to do better, or with a rival they want to show up.

I was told by a prominent astrologer I studied with early on (many, many, many years ago) that there were more people born with Libra rising in the US than any other sign. He said it was something close to 50 percent (or something of that nature) totally out of balance with what one would expect, due to the fact that we are far north, and Libra rises for the longest period of time during most of the year. And we are by far the most competitive people on the planet, we take great pride in our work and love being entrepreneurs and working for ourselves.

In many ways Libras have much in common with Aries people, except Libras, instead of being direct and straightforward, work behind the scenes, get their ducks in a row and then strike. They don’t like being in the center of an arguments especially prolonged ones. They prefer to plan their attack and then let nature take its course. This can upset the apple cart, but that’s OK as long as they aren’t there when it turns over (much like Eris).

So instead of seeing Eris as the Goddess of Discord I prefer to take her back to what I imagine was probably her proper place – before her power was taken away due to the change from a matriarchal society into a patriarchal, and think of her as a supreme warrior and brilliant strategist capable of winning even when all the odds and all the Gods were against her!

I’ll dissect how it affects people as individuals and what it means in people’s charts in the next post on her.

Best wishes and many blessings,

Denise

THE END

***

Here's a link to the rest of the thread.
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/206752.html


Yeah, I was thinking it’s possible that Eris could co-rule Libra along with Venus. With Venus representing the sweet agreeable side of Libra that loves affection…. And Eris representing the part of Libra the crusades for justice, and will even start an argument or a debate for the sake of insuring a fair outcome to an issue.

Yes, Libra’s like to get along with everybody, but sometimes they can be argumentative or contrary on purpose if they are trying to make a point. Libra can be a bit like Aquarius at times, in that they have an obsession with objectivity and hate any kind of bias… However when Libra goes into debate/renegotiation mode they are often able to do it with Venus’ sweet tact glazed over the top of their reasoning. They will use charm and logic to try and win over or overcome their adversaries, in a calm and collected type of way. That’s why I think of Libra as the cool headed warrior as opposed to Aries, the hot-headed, spontaneous, thinks on their feet type warrior. Libra plans a strategy and carefully thinks things through before taking action… Aries jumps right in there in the passion of the moment and lets the chips fall where they may…


I always thought about Libra and Eris too, Lotis.

Ceres for Virgo and Eris for Libra
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posted August 01, 2015 09:25 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well, if we are to attribute new rulers, they can only come from the dwarf planets: Pluto, Ceres, Eris, Makemake and Haumea. I mean not only, but first.

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posted August 01, 2015 09:27 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowCatcher     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:

Aries = Mars direct
Scorpio = Mars Rx
Taurus = Venus Rx
Libra = Venus direct
... etc.

The difference is polarity (+) or (-), not planet/ruler.


Wow! I was just contemplating last week or so as to the possibility that the two planet ruler-ship is a reflection of direct/retro energy, but really more specifically exactly how you put it - positive / negative polarity. The retro quality to planets makes a lot of sense, in general, too.

What triggered this possibility in my head was related to my personal observations/research of the Sun & it's very complex electrical nature, which I won't go into detail. The study of the sun fascinates me! But more so, the study of electricity/electromagnetism in regard to ALL walks of life, fascinates me the most!

PS: Kannon, I think you would enjoy this video (20min). If so, please let me know! https://youtu.be/z2W5jaxKlgU


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posted August 01, 2015 11:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Odette     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sun - Leo
Moon - Cancer
Mercury - Gemini Virgo
Venus - Taurus Libra
Mars -Aries Scorpio
Jupiter - Pisces Sagittarius
Saturn - Aquarius Capricorn

Oh Wow Leeloo!! Actually I noticed the secondary signs go clockwise ^^!
Except Jupiter and Saturn's primary signs (Sag and Cap) have to take a backseat, for this to make sense.

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Originally posted by Odette:
Sun - Leo
Moon - Cancer
Mercury - Gemini [b]Virgo

Venus - Taurus Libra
Mars -Aries Scorpio
Jupiter - Pisces Sagittarius
Saturn - Aquarius Capricorn

Oh Wow Leeloo!! Actually I noticed the secondary signs go clockwise ^^!
Except Jupiter and Saturn's primary signs (Sag and Cap) have to take a backseat, for this to make sense. [/B]


Pretty awesome!
So everything is in perfect order, actually

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hmmmm I just thought of something unusual...
What if Gemini is actually the sign that needs a second ruler? It's a dual sign after all, like Pisces... Pisces has both Jupiter and Neptune...

How does this look?

Moon - Cancer
Sun - Leo
Mercury - Virgo (Gemini gets both Mercury and something else)
Venus - Libra (Taurus gets both Venus and something else, maybe Ceres)
Mars - Scorpio (Aries - probably the most unexpected.. but stay open minded! lol... what if Aries gets Mars and Eris?)
Jupiter - Sagittarius (Pisces gets both Jupiter and Neptune, as always)
Saturn - Capricorn (Aquarius gets both Saturn and Uranus, as always)

Pluto can still go to Scorpio - in which case both Aries and Scorpio would have two rulers.
Or alternatively, we could come to the conclusion a mistake was made in attributing Pluto to Scorpio in the first place.
Maybe Pluto is an outsider in this particular pattern.

I know... Totally strange ideas I just had... but this does seem to "order" the signs... first clockwise, then anti-clockwise... It's actually a circular pattern. It goes.. Cancer, Leo, Virgo, Libra, Scorpio, Sag, Cap.. and back up.. Aquarius, Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini!

What do you guys think of this? Too weird? Lol

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posted August 01, 2015 11:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Pretty awesome!
So everything is in perfect order, actually


Never question.

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posted August 01, 2015 11:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DopGang     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Odette:
hmmmm I just thought of something unusual...
What if Gemini is actually the sign that needs a second ruler? It's a dual sign after all, like Pisces... Pisces has both Jupiter and Neptune...


Mercury - Virgo ([b]Gemini
gets both Mercury and something else)
[/B]


What if Uranus was the co-ruler?
I like it!


LeeLoo is going to beat me up because I'm asking a question and just told her not to.

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posted August 01, 2015 11:40 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aries23Degrees     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Now that I really ponder on this. I have come to a new conclusion

I have always been sure of the Venus-Taurus connection:The love of all things sensual, pleasurable etc.

When I read my Venus in Scorpio sign and it speaks of the love of all things "dark" and "hidden". This resonates strongly.

I have often found dark features in others eg dark hair,dark skin etc. to be most alluring and attractive

Now with Libra,I would assign the rulership to Pallas Athena.

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posted August 01, 2015 11:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Taurus/Vesta fits, taurus is the sign of comfort at home, one that's keeping the home fires burning.

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posted August 01, 2015 12:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by DopGang:
What if Uranus was the co-ruler?
I like it!


LeeLoo is going to beat me up because I'm asking a question and just told her not to.


My whip is beside me...watch out!

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posted August 01, 2015 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Why did this thread freeze after my last message? I mean, it was a joke.

Interesting idea, Odette, but what can we choose for Gemini? I am not sure about Uranus.

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posted August 01, 2015 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Free Leon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If you have the time/interest I highly recommend reading this article on planetary rulerships, and more specifically, the rulership of Libra.

link: http://www.onereed.com/articles/vvf/vvlibra.html

Here are a few excerpts:
"Astrology says Venus is a benefic, right? The planet that rules the sign of love and cooperation, Libra. What are some of those familiar keywords for Libra? Diplomacy, peace, balance, marriage. The nature of a planet is supposed to match the sign it rules, but, according to Greco-Roman myths, Venus was not happily married. Many people assume she was hooked up with Mars, but she actually had an ugly, deformed husband, Vulcan, whom she rejected a lot, and she was constantly running off to have extra-marital affairs, and in the process she was usually disturbing the peace and causing arguments. If you look up all the Greco-Roman myths about Venus, you will see that her behavior does not fit our understanding of Libra at all. The nature of mythological Venus is in total contradiction to our modern Western astrological idea that Venus is a benefic."

"And we can see more contradictory evidence outside of Greece and Rome, because other ancient traditions identified the planet Venus as an out-right malefic. The Babylonians lived in fear of her wrath; their written astrological records are full of dark warnings about what happened during Venus transits. Studies of ancient Mexican astrology have likewise shown that the Mesoamericans believed Venus was highly dangerous. If any of you are familiar with the work of Immanuel Velikovsky, you will remember that he documented a great deal of this -- ancient writings and traditions from all over the world, pointing to the evil nature of the planet Venus. If you read up on ancient Mesoamerican myths or any of the early Mediterranean myths, you're going to have some serious doubts about Venus being a benevolent planet. You will also wonder, as I did, how she came to acquire her modern associations with peaceful, cooperative Libra."

"Remember the myth of Persephone? Persephone, an innocent young maiden, is the daughter of the Earth Goddess Ceres. One day, Pluto kidnaps Persephone, taking her down into the Underworld to be his Queen. Ceres becomes so angry about this abduction that she stops everything from growing on earth. The earth appears to be dying and experiences its first winter. Eventually there is a compromise, and it is worked out that Persephone will return to her mother in the spring and then go back to Pluto's world in the fall. The yearly cycle of seasons is thus set in motion, so that the earth blooms in the summer because of the Earth mother's joy at her daughter's return, and the earth is dead in the winter when Ceres mourns her daughter's absence."

"What does this myth tell us? First of all, it tells us about cycles -- the cyclical nature of life and the seasons, how life is divided into seasons of growing and dying. This is precisely the function of Libra, to mark the border between daylight and darkness, between life and death. This myth relates how Persephone lives in two worlds. She walks along borders, and she mediates between two sides: the living, conscious world (the earth, Virgo, ruled by her mother Ceres) and the world of death and the subconscious (represented by Scorpio and ruled by her husband Pluto). Within Persephone's story and her relationship with Pluto are questions about the balance of masculine and feminine forces. Persephone's partnership with Pluto tells of the possibility of the re-definition of relationship as co-independence through the development of more conscious ways of partnering."

The author makes a convincing case for a transplutonian celestial body being the ruler of Libra (and Ceres being the ruler of Virgo).

Ceres' (Virgo) daughter, Persephone (Libra), was abducted by Pluto (Scorpio).

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posted August 01, 2015 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for yungang_grotto     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Could it not be a function of patriarchal society demonizing the sacred feminine lover?

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posted August 04, 2015 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We had even more of these before the outer Planets were discovered.

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posted September 13, 2015 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for diamondbaby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I see it this way:

Venus rules Taurus.
Mercury rules Gemini.
Ceres rules Virgo.
Pallas rules Libra.

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