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Topic: Easy Ways To See Death in the Chart
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Ami Anne
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posted December 30, 2014 07:31 PM
  
I know the title sounds awful but so many articles are so dense with info. Can anyone break it down more easily? Thanks------------------
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SirHorns
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posted December 30, 2014 08:06 PM
Transiting Jupiter and Neptune are suppposed to play a role. I`ve mostly seen articles against trying to predict deaths though. ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted December 30, 2014 08:13 PM
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Originally posted by SirHorns:
Transiting Jupiter and Neptune are suppposed to play a role. I`ve mostly seen articles against trying to predict deaths though.
How would they play a role, S, and thank you! ------------------
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DeepFreeze
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posted December 30, 2014 09:30 PM
I'm not sure that I would go so far as to try to predict death. But there are clues.
I turn to the progressed chart.
I've not really looked into a progressed chart of someone who has died and not seen it.
Personal planet changing signs. The most recent case. A friend died of Cancer on the 9th. His progressed sun at 0 Taurus
His progressed Moon at 0 Virgo.
Plus progressed Uranus at 0 Scorpio My dad had sun and Venus both moving into new signs.
An LL members mother's chart had similar things.
Plus others.
Seems to always be something like that. Within 2 degrees or so. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 30, 2014 10:05 PM
Thank you DF. That is practical and powerful info!------------------
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posted December 30, 2014 10:06 PM
My father didn't pass, but after taking a look at his progressed chart for the day he suffered his stroke... Pluto was transiting his 8th house. Death may have been a result here.IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 30, 2014 10:40 PM
@DF ~ I think that works for the nodes as well.My mom died when her progressed node @29 Libra was exactly square the transiting node @29 Cap. These formed a cardinal grand cross with her pr Saturn @28 Aries and tr Chiron @26 Cancer. And you can see it in my chart: *My pr Saturn was @29 Cancer at the time.
*I have an 8H Pisces moon, sometimes an indicator of early parental death.
*She died when my progressed sun had just changed signs
*Tr Pluto was exactly conjunct my pr Scorpio NN (4 minute orb.)
*My pr moon was applying to a conjunction with my Pluto. See, it's all about moon-Pluto stuff.  Strangely, if my mother had been alive when my father died, her pr sun would have been exactly conjunct her pr NN at late 29 Libra. ---- My father died when his progressed sun, my sun, and the transiting sun were all conjunct within 2 degrees, tightly opposing his pr Pluto. Tr Pisces NN conjunct my moon, less than 1* orb. Tr Neptune was conjunct my sun when my mother died (2 orb) and conjunct my progressed sun when my father died 16 years later (1 orb.) Also my pr moon was at 1 Gemini when my father died, exactly conjunct my natal Ceres and Atropos.
My pr sun was at 1 Aqua when my mother died. IP: Logged |
DeepFreeze
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posted December 30, 2014 10:46 PM
Great info Faith! I hadn't done any progressed/natal comparison but makes sense!
My friends p-nn was 1 sag. IP: Logged |
SirHorns
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posted December 30, 2014 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
How would they play a role, S, and thank you!
Transit Jupiter aspecting Natal Neptune, hard or soft in aspect.
T. Jupiter in square or opposed asc.As for Neptune, funny enough its a bit foggy in terms of constistency.
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Faith
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posted December 30, 2014 11:11 PM
Thanks DF.  And a lot of points overlap between my and my siblings' charts. Quick example:
* Tr Pluto exactly conjunct my NN and my brother's sun when my mother died. *Tr Pluto also conjunct another brother's pr moon, opposing his Saturn (all less than 2*) 20 Taurus Saturn/21 Scorpio pr moon. Then my father died when his pr NN @ 20 Aqua. Stuff like that. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 31, 2014 07:47 AM
I would like to compile an easy to read list. If anyone wants to under take that, that would be great!Sir Horns Yours is the easiest to start with and that could be the first 4 on the list. Thanks DF and Faith for your posts. I need to study them more! ------------------
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Ami Anne
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posted December 31, 2014 08:19 AM
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Faith
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posted December 31, 2014 01:31 PM
Just stumbled on this: quote:
The quincunx aspect is almost always present when there is death as death also describes a period of considerable change both for the person who dies and their family and friends. The quincunx will involve the eighth house or the ruler of the eighth and the house that describes the person who dies. E.g. if there is a transit of Jupiter in the 4th house making a quincunx to Venus in the 8th house, which in turn rules the sign on the cusp of the 4th house, then a parent is likely to be the person who dies.
http://aliceportman.com/yods-and-quincunx/ IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted December 31, 2014 02:50 PM
That is very practical, Faith. Thank you!------------------
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Faith
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posted December 31, 2014 03:30 PM
You're welcome.I'm fascinated by this topic. So, in the above example. Neptune rules my 8H where my moon is, and when my mother died, transiting Jupiter was quincunx transiting Neptune, which aspected our charts as follows: Tr Jupiter 13 Leo, conjunct my mother's Atropos-Mercury and my ASC Tr Neptune 13 Cap conjunct my 15 Cap sun (Tr sun 16 Sag conjunct my pr Neptune 13 Sag; so there was a sun-Neptune conjunction both ways.  ) ETA: Tr Atropos at 16 Sag as I write this. Just saw that ~~ how strange. ----- Furthermore, my mother and I both have an almost exact sun quincunx Mars. She had Leo sun quincunx Cap Mars and died when tr Saturn was conjunct her Mars, exactly quincunx her sun. Meanwhile, tr Mars was exactly conjunct my Atropos.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 31, 2014 03:39 PM
So, in the above example. Neptune rules my 8H where my moon is, and when my mother died, Jupiter was quincunx Neptune:OK, step by step. Was this your chart? Was it TR Neptune quinunx your NATAL Jupiter? Sorry, I am having a hard time breaking it down. ------------------
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posted December 31, 2014 03:42 PM
Maybe you'll tell me what you think? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/230060.html I'll also have pSaturn at 0 Aquarius conjunct pMoon and a water-earth kite consisting of Pluto (2nd), Neptune (4th), Venus (6th) and Chiron (10th, the apex). Venus will be the 8th house ruler and Neptune its dispositor. pMoon conjunct tPluto. ------------------
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Faith
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posted December 31, 2014 03:51 PM
Unfortunately I have no birth times for my parents.When my father died: Tr Atropos was exactly conjunct his sun (spooky  ) tightly conjunct his Mars (1* orb). His pr Mars conjunct tr Mars (2* orb). His pr Atropos conjunct his NN (2* orb). Natally, his Libra sun-Mars and Leo Neptune were both quincux (forming a yod with) Pisces Jupiter and 0 Aries Uranus. When he died, tr Saturn was conjunct his Neptune, quincunx his Jupiter. Meanwhile tr Jupiter was conjunct his Saturn. And Saturn was ruling his pr sun in Capricorn.
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Faith
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posted December 31, 2014 03:52 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
OK, step by step. Was this your chart? Was it TR Neptune quinunx your NATAL Jupiter?Sorry, I am having a hard time breaking it down.
Sorry ~ I'll fix in it in my post.
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Ami Anne
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posted December 31, 2014 03:55 PM
That helps Faith. It is confusing with the Death issue in that there are many charts lol------------------
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Faith
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posted December 31, 2014 04:00 PM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Maybe you'll tell me what you think? http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/230060.html I'll also have pSaturn at 0 Aquarius conjunct pMoon and a water-earth kite consisting of Pluto (2nd), Neptune (4th), Venus (6th) and Chiron (10th, the apex). Venus will be the 8th house ruler and Neptune its dispositor. pMoon conjunct tPluto.
It's out of my league to predict anything...all I can think of is, I regard kites as beneficial, so no matter what the rest of the transits-progressions portend, I think you will survive. Or die and go to a *really* nice place. IP: Logged |
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posted December 31, 2014 04:06 PM
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Or die and go to a *really* nice place.
No. I'll stay and haunt you for the rest of your earthly life ------------------
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Faith
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posted December 31, 2014 04:19 PM
You can't haunt people who welcome you with open arms. *squeezes sap on your icy self* IP: Logged |
Faith
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posted December 31, 2014 04:25 PM
Seriously, though, thanks for bringing your upcoming situation to my attention~Just realized I will have a kite in my progressed chart this spring equinox, when I thought for sure I would die (Tr Pluto-Uranus exactly square over my sun-Jupiter square; Tr Saturn on my Venus; Tr Chiron on my moon; Tr Mars on my Chiron; tr NN on my Pluto.) That's reassuring, to have a kite. Even if it's Neptune at the apex. IP: Logged |
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posted December 31, 2014 04:29 PM
I've found with the progressed method. It CAN mean other things.
Such as bankruptcy, divorce, an accident and even nicer things like birth of a child (checked a few births). I'd like to check some lottery winners!!
Different things. Probably best to use with transits and such.
But it did seem to be an indicator. Especially sun.
Mine will change again when I'm 64. So maybe I'll kick the bucket just before retirement. IP: Logged |
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