posted January 30, 2015 10:51 PM            

"we are just alive"

But I understand how opening my mouth about what I understand can hurt. It is my guilt, and fear- self doubt. But that's my problem, not theirs since I'm making my own decisions.

posted January 30, 2015 10:56 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I never see anyone as an experiment.

"we are just alive"

But I understand how opening my mouth about what I understand can hurt. It is my guilt, and fear- self doubt. But that's my problem, not theirs since I'm making my own decisions.

You're right. Walking away is best.

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posted January 30, 2015 10:59 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
It can be insulting to be be another experiment in venus/uranus life. Sometimes like being told to be independent/individual but then youre following another's script so that can't be achieved except by inevitable walk away. No doubt it teaches a necessary lesson though

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And yet again, if you are involved and conscious then you have a script too. People have hurt me, for whatever reason. Things didn't go the way I thought they would or should, but I always have my own script to look down on and read- my own path to take. And I find my power and courage in finding it and taking it.

posted January 30, 2015 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by florence:
As I read uraniuns are a testament to the individual rights of all. So it gives others permission to be individuals therefore exercising your needs paves the way for them to do the same. No one should feel guilt for doing what they like (obviously with consideration of others) and that is the beauty of the Uranian shock and electricity as its unequivocal.

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Right, right, right!

posted January 30, 2015 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
And yet again, if you are involved and conscious then you have a script too. People have hurt me, for whatever reason. Things didn't go the way I thought they would or should, but I always have my own script to look down on and read- my own path to take. And I find my power and courage in finding it and taking it.

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Yeah, I see what you mean. i tried to get rid of my script to satisfy a venus/Uranus but that wasn't satisfying because they wanted me to follow my own script which was to try get rid of my script lol

posted January 31, 2015 02:06 PM            

...find this thread pretty funny, but also very interesting at the same time.
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posted January 31, 2015 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
When you have time can you please describe this? I'll show you mine, tomorrow, when I'm not on my phone.

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Well I'm an aquarius so uranus also rules my sun/merc/saturn. I have bet focused energy.

Venus conjunct neptune, given the orb almost exact, makes neptune almost the identity of the way I give. Although cap venus is still stiff, when I'm in friendship with someone, I give wholeheartedly and I also have very strong sensitivity. I'm really impressionable. If I see a person in pain or hear a story, I tend to imagine myself in it it being the character in it and then the pain can get to my brain.
Venus-neptune plus uranus make me very picky. Many guys hit on me but I'm just like meh, you're not special enuf. Kinda like they need to have special appreciation for who i am. Deep down I want to be appreciated as an individual, uniquely me so anyone who gets with me can't be generic. Good-looking doesn't do it.
My venus also trine jupiter and venus is in 9th so I guess there's some sag flavor to it. I'm not very good at picking my venus a part.
Uranus conjunct north node but it's 6 degree wide. My life path has been very abnormal. I have never met anyone sharing the same experiences and my experiences are very much shaped by my own efforts (in contrast to a more plutonian person who faces transformation due to external it internal forces).

People who have known me have written to me that they haven't met someone like me.

I also tend to have uranian connection to people. Like people I met on my path, I don't really talk to them for a while but can show up or call them in 3 years and everything seems like yesterday. I guess that's a venus-uranus thing.

posted January 31, 2015 11:00 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
My favorite description of Uranus

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Love this! Thank you ~ I'm taking notes...don't mind me.

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No matter what happened afterwards and how it had to be processed for you to squeeze wisdom out of it, Uranus was first responsible for taking away something–and taking it away suddenly and unexpectedly. Before he communicates anything to us, anything at all, he is the Great Severer. Now, mind you, he’s fast–he works before we can see him coming, the quickest hatchet man around–but Uranus’s first order of business is to disconnect us. What is he disconnecting us from? Our ordinary, ego-bound patterns and definitions and our habitual ways of understanding our world.

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In his severing mode, Uranus can be the most frightening of the Three Bullies, otherwise known as the transpersonal planets. I associate Uranus with a particular kind of trauma in the chart, one that lingers on with nerve-shattering results. It results in a kind of personal Post Traumatic Stress Disorder–wherever Uranus lies in the chart, it is responsible for a violent taking-away, a traumatic removal. And unless you really understand this part of Uranus, the rest of Uranian behaviour doesn’t really make any sense.

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^^ Trying to relate that to my own life...I have Scorpio Uranus...I've had what robbed from me? The ability to be deeply rooted in something? Yes that sort of fits.

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All three of the outer planets teach us lessons about getting our egos out of the way. With Uranus, it’s our ‘little world, little mind’ tendencies that fly out the window. We are challenged to stretch our definitions....

All three of the outer planets initiate us into their awakening by removing us from the primary quality of the lower octave planet. With Uranus, we are severed from our connection-making abilities. Mercury is the connecting planet which allows us to make sense of and understand our worldly experiences. Uranus removes the logical processes of Mercury and replaces it with sudden shifts of awareness....

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Sometimes, where Uranus is concerned, we might know things, but we don’t know why. Again, our lack of support for our convictions leaves us high up, but on very unstable scaffolding.

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My sun square tr Uranus is starting to make more sense now...

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If Mercury isn’t ready to process the wisdom of Uranus, there can be difficult consequences. Uranus is always urging us to let go, to allow distance, something Mercury is often not prepared to do in its struggle to understand.

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I have natal Aqua Mercury square Uranus...yep.

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When Mercury learns that it is capable of making connections at great distances, greater than it ever assumed, then its impact on our lives grows and we allow ourselves to create new concepts of the greater Mercurial connections.

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This is really expanding my brain! If I had even more to drink tonight, I would be even more elastic-minded and celebrating.

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When Mercury has been elevated through its struggles to comprehend Uranian experience, the range and scope of our lives becomes infinite.

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Oh I wish...but my Mercury opposes Saturn, too. They forgot to warn about that.

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We then see that we are connected to the everything and the all in a very intimate, personal way. Our individuality then is created not by ego, but by the way this universal energy flows through and expresses itself through our individual consciousness"

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posted January 31, 2015 11:48 PM            

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Originally posted by theunknown:
Well I'm an aquarius so uranus also rules my sun/merc/saturn. I have bet focused energy.

Venus conjunct neptune, given the orb almost exact, makes neptune almost the identity of the way I give. Although cap venus is still stiff, when I'm in friendship with someone, I give wholeheartedly and I also have very strong sensitivity. I'm really impressionable. If I see a person in pain or hear a story, I tend to imagine myself in it it being the character in it and then the pain can get to my brain.
Venus-neptune plus uranus make me very picky. Many guys hit on me but I'm just like meh, you're not special enuf. Kinda like they need to have special appreciation for who i am. Deep down I want to be appreciated as an individual, uniquely me so anyone who gets with me can't be generic. Good-looking doesn't do it.
My venus also trine jupiter and venus is in 9th so I guess there's some sag flavor to it. I'm not very good at picking my venus a part.
Uranus conjunct north node but it's 6 degree wide. My life path has been very abnormal. I have never met anyone sharing the same experiences and my experiences are very much shaped by my own efforts (in contrast to a more plutonian person who faces transformation due to external it internal forces).

People who have known me have written to me that they haven't met someone like me.

I also tend to have uranian connection to people. Like people I met on my path, I don't really talk to them for a while but can show up or call them in 3 years and everything seems like yesterday. I guess that's a venus-uranus thing.

These people also are from all walks of life and age groups.

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So all I am is curious. All I can do at this point with my limited knowledge is ask questions, but questions thrill me. The article I posted about Uranus was actually part II. The article before it was about higher and lower octaves, which should be very relevant to you since your Neptune apsects your Venus, and although your Mercury probably doesn't aspect Uranus IT LIVES IN AQUARIUS. Here, read this:

http://theinnerwheel.com/2011/07/01/the-music-of-the-spheres-octaves-an-introduction/

"There are those who dismiss the idea entirely. Mercury the lower octave of Uranus? Venus the lower octave of Neptune? Mars the lower octave of Pluto? I’ve read and listened to endless words on the subject. Some try to convince me that the concept of octaves doesn’t exist at all. Others try to tell me that these aren’t the planets involved, and that there are other lower octaves assigned to the outer planets. Some say that Uranus, Neptune and Pluto are actually lower octaves for something higher, which we haven’t yet discovered.

I’m going to stick with what I know, and what I know is Chiron. There was an interesting aspect that came up in the last part of the 20th century. A lot of us were born with Chiron opposite Uranus. Now, with Chiron opposite Uranus, we’re supposed to have a larger vision, see the bigger picture. Chiron/Uranus is supposed to serve and heal issues in the collective. Chiron/Uranus is supposed to have (or achieve, at some point) an overview of life, so that all of the life can be seen from a higher ground, as though the distance of Uranus will provide us with a way forward, and we’ll see on the landscape below the patterns of what we need to do. Oh, really? The Chiron/Uranus people are usually more confused and clouded about purpose than the people without this aspect, because Chiron, in his typical way, knows something instinctively, but doesn’t know how to pull it off. With Chiron/Uranus, the life purpose is often an itch longing to be scratched. We know we’re here for a purpose, we know we’re here to serve, but we haven’t a clue why, or how. Checking the house positions/polarity of the opposition or the dispositors doesn’t usually help, but only adds to he confusion. When we experience major Uranus upheavals, that Uranus begins to irritate and work through Chiron. And when it does we face the limitations of mind that prevented us from understanding where our path lies. Mercury steps up a notch by facing the universal, rather than the mundane. The house where Chiron resides describes how we serve–the particular area of life that must be lit up before we contribute anything practical. The house Uranus occupies tells us what type of experiences the inspiration/knowledge from on high filters through. Wherever Uranus sits in the chart, we have a special way of knowing–but it takes Mercury adjustments to do anything practical with it.

This occurs whether or not Mercury and Uranus have an aspect between them. When you hit a tuning fork, all nearby strings that resonate to the same note will hum. As in music, they vibrate to the same tone, one more slowly than the other, but at the same rate. One is more methodical and more involved in earthly things, one is faster and more refined, but, over time, they learn to work as one. And when they do, the mundane becomes increasingly refined and the higher octave planet becomes more accessible and useful, because the lower octave planet becomes familiar with using the more refined energy.

You need to be prepared when the transpersonal planets are emphasized in your chart, because the lower octave of each of these planets is in for an overhaul. Fortunately, most of us tend to be involved with one or two of the transpersonals over the other one, so we’re not under assault all the time. But there is no doubt about the fact that Neptune issues will directly affect Venus and Pluto problems will manifest in a change in Mars. You don’t even have to work at it, it just happens.

Of course, when these planets are directly connected, you have the possibility of very rapid development, perhaps too rapid for real understanding. If development occurs at an accelerated rate, before the person is ready for it, there is often shock, denial and retreat into old behaviours. This is what happens when traumas occur–they may cause us to sink back, temporarily, into a state of being unaware. Aspects between Mercury and Uranus, between Venus and Neptune and between Pluto and Mars may cause us to reject what we know. I know a number of people with Mars/Pluto aspects who have a hard time coming to terms with abuse and rejection and who sink into controlling behaviours, denying them all the while. Mercury/Uranus may deny the other-worldly knowledge and perceptive experience that seeps in and turn ultra-logical and practical as a result, arguing itself out of what it instinctively knows. Venus/Neptune may turn its back on the lessons of universal and unbounded love it instinctively understands and live life alone, denying its experience or declaring it an illusion.

Much is made of Mars acting as an ‘agent’ for Pluto, particularly in evolutionary astrology. This is an idea carried over from Alice Bailey which was developed by Jeffrey Wolf Green in his books on Pluto. The connection works most clearly with Mars and Pluto as they are both co-rulers of Scorpio. Anyone who denies Mars’ Scorpio ties has only to work with Mars in secondary progression to see how he affects Scorpio houses and planets. But the concept of lower and higher octaves has more to do with resonance than it does with aspect or sign. Each pair of planets–Mercury/Uranus, Venus/Neptune, Mars/Plut0–asks a singular question: who wins out, the ego or the soul?

When these inner planets are open to the experiences offered by the outer planets and Chiron, our lives change. We feel less and less imprisoned, less a victim of our circumstances, and more and more we experience ourselves as co-creators of our own lives. When the inner and outer planets start singing together, magic can happen. We find things getting out of our way. Confusion lifts, the fog clears, and whatever has been blocking our progress mysteriously disappears. It takes time, of course, and experience. But our instincts become honed and our intentions become more clear and we can perform miraculous feats in our mature years that we would never be able to pull off when we were younger. We learn how to recognize and cooperate with the higher powers within and without us, rather than fight them.

As in all astrology, there is number involved in all three. Pisces (Neptune) is the waxing quincunx to the last expression of Venus (Libra). Aquarius is the waxing quincunx to the last expression of Mercury (Virgo). And Scorpio is the waxing quincunx from Aries (Mars). As we’ve seen before, the quincunx is a rather magical aspect. It seems to gain knowledge by spontaneous leaps that defy the plodding processes of the human mind. The way of the quincunx is to face and embrace the confusion, until enlightenment appears.

The three outer planets show us three paths to wisdom: The Path of the Mind (Uranus), The Path of the Heart (Neptune) and The Path of Soul (Pluto). Many of you will be surprised at my linking something as refined as the Soul to something as ruthless as Pluto, but that’s because we often don’t accept or understand the fact that the fire of the Soul is not only a Path, but a force to contend with"

posted February 01, 2015 12:00 AM            

I know my wandering/seeking is the itch he talks about. Understanding and embracing the power of Uranus is SO important to me because Mercury is my chart ruler.

And I don't really understand this paragraph

"As in all astrology, there is number involved in all three. Pisces (Neptune) is the waxing quincunx to the last expression of Venus (Libra). Aquarius is the waxing quincunx to the last expression of Mercury (Virgo). And Scorpio is the waxing quincunx from Aries (Mars). As we’ve seen before, the quincunx is a rather magical aspect. It seems to gain knowledge by spontaneous leaps that defy the plodding processes of the human mind. The way of the quincunx is to face and embrace the confusion, until enlightenment appears"

posted February 01, 2015 01:43 AM            

my Uranus aspects, big and small

Uranus square Ascendant orb +1°33'
Venus trine Uranus orb +3°21'
Mercury square Uranus orb +2°30'
Jupiter square Uranus orb +2°45'
Uranus semi-sextile Pluto orb +0°24'
Sun trine Uranus orb -7°20'
Mars inconjunction Uranus orb +1°55'
Moon opposite Uranus orb -9°45'
Uranus semi-sextile Neptune orb +1°15

posted February 01, 2015 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
Since Saturn and Uranus are kind of opposite, how does this aspect play out for you? You mentioned Venus-Pluto. I have Venus-Pluto too. What is the relationship?

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Uh, sorry, I made a mistake. I have exact Venus/Uranus, not Venus/Pluto conjunction. Sorry.

Venus 2deg 51 Capricorn
Uranurs 2deg 27 Capricorn
Saturn 7deg Capricorn

posted February 01, 2015 09:15 AM            

I think it's an aquarius thing to want to be seen as unique and venus-uranus does add to that.

Quincunx signs are very similar and very different. For example, Aquas and Virgos both care about details but Aquas want to use unique insights to fit into the long-term macro patterns of things.

I guess the author means quincunx signs need to understand they are similar and their similarities might seem confusing at first, but to understand it requires one to be open.

posted February 01, 2015 09:48 AM            

I didn't see it as an argument. I saw it as opening up possibilities, but maybe his proof is not sound?

For me the higher lower octaves part makes sense. I don't have the knowledge to prove it, but I usually know things before I can prove them, lol. That works great in a court of law!

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I became obsessed with Chiron and Uranus before I ever read his article. I saw it in my chart and I knew it in my life, but I could not bring it to light intellectually. My very first post here on LL was about Chiron and Uranus.

Edit: I keep typing "his" even though a woman wrote this, because in my heart of hearts a woman could never be intelligent enough to write something I respect so much.

posted February 01, 2015 09:53 AM            

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Originally posted by LostSoulRebecca:
Uh, sorry, I made a mistake. I have exact Venus/Uranus, not Venus/Pluto conjunction. Sorry.

Venus 2deg 51 Capricorn
Uranurs 2deg 27 Capricorn
Saturn 7deg Capricorn

I think that thanks to Venus/Saturn conjunction I still am a bit rebel, but I don't go to the extremes.

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posted February 01, 2015 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm attracted to weird things, unique or odd ppl. I fall in love with ppl for things others would not see as normal.
I feel in love with one guy, he had this stare...it was so intense and kind of creepy but I loved it, it was so hot to me. Lol...I called it his rape stare.

I think brainy scientist are so hot! I literally think Einstein is kind of cute! Lol

His the interpretation for Venus on Uranus/Pluto midpoint..

Venus: To find beauty in that which is extremely unusual, strange, and/or radically experimental. One's love relationships may go through extreme changes. One is attracted to eccentric or intensely unique people.

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Talk about falling in love with people for weird reasons. I fell in love with the back of a man's neck once. Not because it was a sexy neck. Because of the way he tilted it to the right when he meditated. It was beautiful, like he was hearing something.

I also have a thing for Mr. Universe!

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posted February 01, 2015 10:55 AM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
so you're not into the whole higher, lower octaves thing? Or what is it?

I didn't see it as an argument. I saw it as opening up possibilities, but maybe his proof is not sound?

For me the higher lower octaves part makes sense. I don't have the knowledge to prove it, but I usually know things before I can prove them, lol. That works great in a court of law!

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I became obsessed with Chiron and Uranus before I ever read his article. I saw it in my chart and I knew it in my life, but I could not bring it to light intellectually. My very first post here on LL was about Chiron and Uranus.

Edit: I keep typing "his" even though a woman wrote this, because in my heart of hearts a woman could never be intelligent enough to write something I respect so much.

I hate myself

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Well I do kinda believe in octave but not entirely. Being Neptunian can lead to really horrible relationship. Being Venusian is definitely much less toxic.
Pluto is a whole different level from Mars. I think of pluto as the will and it's also really destructive. Sun-Mars people are nothing compared to sun-pluto people. And uranus isn't always logical like mercury.

I think of the outer planets as other-worldly forces that touch ones subconsciousness with Pluto being the most personal and hence the darkest.
Uranus is arguably more subconscious and less recognizable than pluto or neptune as described in the first article you posted. Venus-uranus women tend to excite men in a way they cannot describe. For plutonian women, the sexual appeal is clear or for neptune, it's the dream, the glamor, reflection of oneself.

For uranus though, it's just a different world and people cant even anticipate what would happen. It's a love-hate relationship because the unexpected can be both horrifying or wonderful. Of course most people wouldn't want to describe uranus this way because I don't think people really understand uranian. Plutonian, with their depth, is dark but at least one knows how dark it is; you can always expect the intensity.

Any way, I digress. I'm much more uranian than plutonian and much more plutonian than neptunian. But at the end, Saturn is my final dispositor. So I'm naturally not interested in neptune

posted February 01, 2015 01:48 PM            

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For uranus though, it's just a different world and people cant even anticipate what would happen. It's a love-hate relationship because the unexpected can be both horrifying or wonderful. Of course most people wouldn't want to describe uranus this way because I don't think people really understand uranian. Plutonian, with their depth, is dark but at least one knows how dark it is; you can always expect the intensity.

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The key to Uranus is to let go of fear of "theunkown". The key to letting go of fear is to look your grief, your pain, in it's heart (face).

posted February 02, 2015 05:56 PM            

~meets~

Venus-Uranus in synastry.

Isn't it Just Like Heaven?

Show me show me show me
How you do that trick!!!
The one that makes me scream, she said
The one that makes me love (!) she said.
Threw her arms around my head...
Show me how you do it!!!
And I promise you, I promise that
I'll run away with you.