posted March 10, 2016 06:10 PM            

Its funny watching you people go all nuts defending this guy, when if he gets elected, youre going to get bent over too, not just the groups you dont like.

The short-sightedness of his supporters is perversely comical. Having said that, this wont really effect me either way, because most of the years he's in office I'll probably be boincing around Europe doing study-abroad programs as i finish my bachelor and master's degrees.

posted March 10, 2016 06:12 PM            

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Awesome.

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I am waiting on AmiAnne to return with whatever asteroids she is going to use, and eventually I want to put some more Helio astro on the events(some of which we await) and Mr. Trump.
Today I was looking at composites between the Eclipse and Trump, and the eclipse and Cruz but have not had enough time with it, may or may not post..
Some political discussion here is inevitable and as long as it does not devolve into personal attacks the thread should last until election time,,

posted March 10, 2016 06:22 PM            

I do love and respect both Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama.

If you're concerned about tyranny by a president it is far better to be more concerned about the right wingers who are more authoritarian than Obama:

Only Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul rate as non-authoritarian. There's no substantial difference on the political compass between Obama or Hillary and the field of GOP candidates.

posted March 10, 2016 06:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
You stated long ago on here Kannon that you hated Trump. credibility in Astrology unbiased
So if AmiAnne astro is skewed because she loves the guy should I believe yours is not skewed the other way because you hate the guy.
Hitler was responsible for the murder of six millions Jews and you give him an 8 and rate Donald Trump at 13.
Are you believing Donald will turn the ME into a sheet of glass?
Ami will admit she is biased. I suggest you do the same.

I did not start this thread to encourage or discourage anyone to vote for Trump or Bernie or anyone.

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posted March 10, 2016 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Kannon McAfee:
Randall, none of this is a matter of 'hating' anyone. I don't hate Donald Trump. I think he's a shallow and vain socialite with **** -poor understanding of political issues, especially foreign policy, and I don't want him as president.

I do love and respect both Bernie Sanders and Barack Obama.

If you're concerned about tyranny by a president it is far better to be more concerned about the right wingers who are more authoritarian than Obama:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2012
http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Only Bernie Sanders and Ron Paul rate as non-authoritarian. There's no substantial difference on the political compass between Obama or Hillary and the field of GOP candidates.

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I'm confused as to why you're even defending or explaining yourself to these people. Even if you did hate Trump you have the right to your own personal opinion and no one has the right to police it, and really that's control-freak (and bullying) behavior which is best ignored.

That aside, you generally make a lot of sense by the way. I will say this though which is that I think your view of Trump is probably kinder than it should be. I think he's a garden-variety sociopath (like most people who end up at the top of business corporations), who'll pretty much say or do anything to get to whatever his goal might be.

.....All these people who think he's going to bat for THEM, are delusional. When has a corporate power-holder ever done anything that wasn't purely in their own best interest?

I honestly think he's not that bright either, but he's bright enough to at least know that if he wants to get into office, he should play to the latent fears and bigotry in certain pockets of the American population in order to use them to get to where he wants to go.

I honestly think he wouldn't pee on even his most fervent supporter if they were on fire, unless he could somehow profit in some way for it. When he gets into office, he's going to write in laws and tax breaks for himself and all the other old farts in the one percent (I'm talking the UBER rich, not popstars, actors or middle class people, or upper-class doctors and lawyers), and start gouging everybody else to offset the tax breaks he gives the one percent.

posted March 10, 2016 08:30 PM            

Trump is the worst candidate I remember seeing in my time over here. And he does nothing to keep this sort of thing from happening. He doesn't throw them out, and so far, I haven't seen him disassociate himself from the people who do this.

posted March 10, 2016 08:33 PM            

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It will get back to Astrology. It just irks me to see Trump compared to Hitler, when Obama is the one who wants to take away our guns. Isn't that what Hitler did?

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Hitler had all Jews register as such, just like he wanted to do with Muslims. That's where the comparisons started.

posted March 10, 2016 08:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
It will get back to Astrology. It just irks me to see Trump compared to Hitler, when Obama is the one who wants to take away our guns. Isn't that what Hitler did?

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Randall,
I agree, comparing him to Hitler is a bit far.
Did the comedian Louis C.K. Start that? I don't know but maybe a guy who makes pedophilia jokes is concerned about censorship because he knows he should be censored

I can always start an election thread nearer to OR after the convention.
It seems the number here who want to impose ideology exceeds the number interested in analyzing or contributing any astrology by far.
If it gets much nuttier in here >>>

posted March 10, 2016 08:51 PM            

"Hate" is a very strong word. As a healer, if The Don were in danger for his life, I would leap to help him as I would anyone else. I don't 'hate.'

You can take what I've posted so far however you like, but all I've done is exactly what the text says, given a teaser based purely on a simple count of factors I've seen in preliminary study that show potential for authoritarianism. It is your skim read or jump to conclusion that assumes this means 'worse' than Hitler. That is not what I'm saying.

As it comes to my own politics which determine how I vote, yes, I absolutely am biased towards my own values. As it comes to the astrology I strive my best to neutralize that bias best I can when I'm doing charts of a political nature, and to collaborate or at least get review from astrologers to ensure the quality of my final work.

Randall, Trump deserves comparisons to fascists and various sorts of authoritarian strongmen/dictators because he is speaking and behaving that way and his policies match past fascist policies. I'm not comparing him to Hitler alone, but to a group of such men. And, as I said, my final studies will also include duly elected presidents of the US to serve as a control comparison.

posted March 10, 2016 08:57 PM            

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Hitler was responsible for the murder of six millions Jews ...

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Only after he became Chancellor and had hold of the mechanisms of power.

Those seeking power should have their words carefully listened to and their backgrounds carefully examined before they get there. That is the point.

posted March 10, 2016 08:59 PM            

"Donald Trump supporter repeatedly punches protestor in the face"

\BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT WE SEE IN THE VIDEO.
AND whoever made the video cut out all audio.
I have heard a number of stories like the one here and in each case there is no evidence and it is propaganda IT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED.
People who use such tactics as presenting false information deserve no respect.

RANDALL ,, IF YOU WANT TO CLOSE THIS THREAD,, AS THE PERSON WHO STARTED IT, YOU HAVE MY ENDORSEMENT.
I HATE PROPAGANDA

posted March 10, 2016 09:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:

It seems the number here who want to impose ideology exceeds the number interested in analyzing or contributing any astrology by far.
If it gets much nuttier in here >>>

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That's my concern.