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Topic: Cecil The Lion, A True Leo Dilemma.
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StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
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posted July 29, 2015 12:14 PM
  
Ted Nugent's a Sagittarius sun with Taurus moon and he's kind of like Walter Palmer. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted July 29, 2015 12:15 PM
My guess is he has Sun in Cap and Sag placements.IP: Logged |
Comatoes
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posted July 29, 2015 12:16 PM
Poor Cecil and his cubs. Death to Father means death to his children. I never understood trophy hunters - stupid American goes to Africa to lure and kill a animal that was minding its own business. It makes no sense to me, really a lot of things humans do to animals and the environment makes no sense to me...hopefully some good will come out of it -- hopefully more awareness. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted July 29, 2015 12:17 PM
I gasped when I looked up Ted Nugent's chart just now. He was born in 1948! I can't believe he's that old! IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted July 29, 2015 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by Comatoes:
Poor Cecil and his cubs. Death to Father means death to his children.
yeah, he has 6 cubs IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted July 29, 2015 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
yeah, he has 6 cubs
Do you know how old Cecil was? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted July 29, 2015 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Do you know how old Cecil was?
13 years, I think. They live up to 15-18 years, maybe 20. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted July 29, 2015 12:27 PM
I was hoping Nugent was born in 1960 like Palmer so then maybe they shared nearly the same birthdate but no such luck. IP: Logged |
12muddy
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posted July 29, 2015 12:52 PM
This reminds me of Kendall Jones, a person who's hunting African wildlife. IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 29, 2015 12:54 PM
Birth Date: 01/16/1960
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1438181218/11#11 IP: Logged |
ail221
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From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon
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posted July 29, 2015 12:55 PM
Cecil has 24 cubs total though.IP: Logged |
ikja
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From: The Valley of Restoration
Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 29, 2015 12:56 PM
I won't lie to you guys, I'm not really an animal lover and I don't feel strongly about animal rights... However, this case really got to me and made me think.I think the reason why Cecil's rights matter to me more than others is because, he was a LARGE animal. The amount of violence and force needed to kill him would have been great and this angers me a lot. On top of that, it is evidence that the dentist tricked Cecil and that's what makes his killing more barbaric in my eyes. He was lured to his death and that is incredibly sad to imagine. Perhaps I am a hypocrite because I feel strongly about Cecil's death, but not the death of foxes etc. However, this case has made me think more deeply about all kinds of hunting "for fun". IP: Logged |
teasel
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posted July 29, 2015 12:58 PM
It took him two days to die - he was hit with the arrow, and they tracked him for two days, when they finally killed him with a gun. It's horrifying. If someone was doing that to people, they would be thrown into jail for life, or given the death penalty. IP: Logged |
ail221
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posted July 29, 2015 01:00 PM
Walter Palmer also has had incidents of sexual harassment with his staff.IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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From: Venus cornering Neptune
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posted July 29, 2015 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by ail221:
Cecil has 24 cubs total though.
I thought only the little ones get killed. IP: Logged |
bluestskies88
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posted July 29, 2015 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by ail221:
Cecil has 24 cubs total though.
Male lions protect their pride from outside male intruders. Since Cecil has been murdered, the other male lion, Jericho, is the only male remaining in the pride. He cannot protect both prides from these male intruders, hence, the baby cubs might be killed by either Jericho or the male attackers. Regarding this POS dentist, I hope he will be jailed for his psychopathic actions. IP: Logged |
ikja
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From: The Valley of Restoration
Registered: Oct 2014
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posted July 29, 2015 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
It took him two days to die - he was hit with the arrow, and they tracked him for two days, when they finally killed him with a gun. It's horrifying. If someone was doing that to people, they would be thrown into jail for life, or given the death penalty.
100 per cent! IP: Logged |
SoaringLeaves
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Registered: Jun 2015
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posted July 29, 2015 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by teasel:
Birth Date: 01/16/1960
http://forum.astro.com/cgi/forum.cgi?num=1438181218/11#11
Thank you to whoever dug this up. Here it is:
 I can't believe that he has no negative aspects whatsoever! I guess when you have no internal conflict you can end up a sadist without remorse for anything... Also I noticed that his t-Orcus, the punisher of broken oaths (and maybe laws?) is conjunct his n-Pluto. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted July 29, 2015 01:24 PM
Ok  Pleasant and self-indulgent chart. The Leo conj was on his Moon/Uranus at the time. Very interesting example of: no challenge, no good. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 29, 2015 01:30 PM
The conjunctions between Saturn and Mars and that long stellium can be interpreted as negative. Stelliums aren't considered optimal configurations. This would be someone who is very determined and not easy to persuade but he has a lot of self discipline and drive which explains his thriving dental practice. Jupiter in Sagittarius is considered that of a sportsman. Moon in Leo tend to be stubborn and flamboyant. He likes the idea of having a nice showpiece and in his case it's a collection of hunting trophies. It would be difficult for someone with this chart to give something up or to believe they are in the wrong. It's only because he hired a professional PR firm that we got any acknowledgement of regret. IP: Logged |
ail221
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From: Hanging Gardens of Babylon
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posted July 29, 2015 01:31 PM
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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
Male lions protect their pride from outside male intruders. Since Cecil has been murdered, the other male lion, Jericho, is the only male remaining in the pride. He cannot protect both prides from these male intruders, hence, the baby cubs might be killed by either Jericho or the male attackers. Regarding this POS dentist, I hope he will be jailed for his psychopathic actions.
Well aware. IP: Logged |
bluestskies88
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posted July 29, 2015 01:32 PM
 How can someone hurt such beautiful living being? Not just lions, but all animals, and people too... SMH Please have a look and sign petition to bring justice over the killing of Cecil here: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/821/738/351/demand-justice-for-cecil-the-lion-in-zimb ambwe/ Thank you. It's the little thing and best we can do for now... Animals cannot speak, so their voices cannot be heard. Let's be a VOICE for Cecil and ALL of the animals who are being hunted for sport!!!  IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
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From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 29, 2015 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by bluestskies88:
How can someone hurt such beautiful living being? Not just lions, but all animals, and people too... SMH
It's jealousy. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted July 29, 2015 01:40 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
The conjunctions between Saturn and Mars and that long stellium can be interpreted as negative. Stelliums aren't considered optimal configurations. This would be someone who is very determined and not easy to persuade but he has a lot of self discipline and drive which explains his thriving dental practice. Jupiter in Sagittarius is considered that of a sportsman. Moon in Leo tend to be stubborn and flamboyant. He likes the idea of having a nice showpiece and in his case it's a collection of hunting trophies. It would be difficult for someone with this chart to give something up or to believe they are in the wrong. It's only because he hired a professional PR firm that we got any acknowledgement of regret.
Well, Mars with Saturn Pluto and Uranus at the same time is common as a combo aspect for people known for killing. Almost all of them have this Mars combo. He has two markers, although I wouldn't consider Mars Saturn as an actual conjunction here, but it is a part of a stringing stellium though, and in the same sign. Personally, I see the opposite here: someone excitable, impulsive, perhaps even a big "child" and as self-indulgent as one can get, no self discipline: Venus conj Jupiter in Sag, Moon conj Uranus in Leo, loose Sun and Mercury (potential for breaking the law or being outside rules). Not the best of charts. This is just my opinion, of course. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 9139
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted July 29, 2015 01:42 PM
I see somebody who would not give up this big game trophy hunting despite overwhelming opposition. What I don't understand is, it's already been pointed out this is not actual real hunting. It's pretty much luring an animal then shooting it. Real hunting is much more difficult and dangerous. So, why not just wait until the animal dies of natural causes, including old age, since it's a predator and not a prey animal, it will not have that many natural predators to worry about anyway, and salvage the pelt and head once it dies that way, then auction off to the highest bidder? Auctions are a good way to raise money and this isn't really sport anyway, it's like taking an animal enclosed in a pen and shooting. They didn't do the exact same thing here but it was similar. They knew it's home was in the park, they knew how to attract it and then they shot it with a crossbow which didn't even work and the animal limped around through the bush for forty hours before they finally killed it. So why not just auction off the pelts and heads of animals that died of natural causes? IP: Logged |
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