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Topic: Cecil The Lion, A True Leo Dilemma.
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 2711
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 01, 2015 08:22 PM
  
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I've heard he had to give up the lion's pelt and head to US Fish and Game, and that seems like a great punishment, since that was what he was after in the first place. Anyone know if it's true? I hope he doesn't get to keep them, at the very least.
He left everything in Zimbabwe, the head and whatnot. I dont recall why he left it behind. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 2711
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 01, 2015 08:31 PM
According to The Telegraph,"The head and skin hacked from a treasured lion killed by a U.S. dentist have been handed over to police in Zimbabwe." IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 9139
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 01, 2015 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by Orange:
According to The Telegraph,"The head and skin hacked from a treasured lion killed by a U.S. dentist have been handed over to police in Zimbabwe."
It's mind boggling why anyone would spend $55,000 on this.
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Orange
Knowflake Posts: 2711
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 01, 2015 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It's mind boggling why anyone would spend $55,000 on this.
according to the newsletter, Palmer left it at the other's hunter home for taxidermy.
The lawyer of the other guy advised him to give it to the police once the story blew up. IP: Logged |
bluestskies88
Knowflake Posts: 242
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Registered: May 2011
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posted August 01, 2015 09:44 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/31/m ovies/illuminating-the-plight-of-endangered-species-at-the-empire-state-building.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0 IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 14648
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 02, 2015 04:59 AM
Very glad to hear!
The strange thing is that Zimbabwe Conservation Task Force announced Jericho being shot on their official facebook page, it's still there.------------------
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Gracha
Knowflake Posts: 206
From: NY USA
Registered: Jan 2013
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posted August 02, 2015 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
Thank you to whoever dug this up.Here it is:
 I can't believe that he has no negative aspects whatsoever! I guess when you have no internal conflict you can end up a sadist without remorse for anything... Also I noticed that his t-Orcus, the punisher of broken oaths (and maybe laws?) is conjunct his n-Pluto.
Some famous serial killers had no real negative aspects. I can't remember their names off the top but I remember thinking the charts looked too easy. It's easy for him to accept killing innocent animals. There's no static in his chart. He easily accepts the energy, whatever that may be. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 14648
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 03, 2015 06:33 AM
The ban on hunting trophies in the Western countries seems to be the solution here, following Australia's example. Australia banned lion trophies in March.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/barack-obama-dragged-cecil-lion-6180115
Something else I've never managed to understand. Who and why would kill a giraffe? The most peaceful animal, just standing there and eating leaves? 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-08-02/cecil-the-lion-world-reacts-to-trophy-hunting /6666204 I don't understand these people. All these animals are facing extinction anyway, either you kill them or not; probably future generations will only see them in the atlas. ------------------
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LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 14648
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 03, 2015 07:06 AM
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StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 9139
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 03, 2015 09:50 AM
There's a complex psychology behind trophy hunting. Walter Palmer's daughter is a world renown, champion ballroom dancer. His wife is another hunter although the article didn't say if she did it for trophies but I will assume she does.
Walter Palmer grew up in North Dakota, although the article didn't say if he grew up in the country where his pastime could have been hunting.
He is likely the product of a hunting culture where the one who kills the best animal has the most status and since he's been hunting from an young age, it would be hard for him to stop. It's like anything you learn when young, it becomes second nature. The result? A man who feels genuinely entitled to hunt which is the same mindset as Ted Nugent. IP: Logged |
Orange
Knowflake Posts: 2711
From: Georgia
Registered: May 2009
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posted August 03, 2015 09:59 AM
His unaspected Sun wants to shine, be noticed, be the best in everything he does. If he hunted - it had to be big and bigger. His Leo Moon supports that, too.The lack of empathy ...... It shows in the lack of water in his chart. None. No water. Neptune is in Scorpio only but it has no influence in his chart as it does not aspect a personal planet IP: Logged |
Aunt Anomalia
Knowflake Posts: 969
From: Pandora's box
Registered: Mar 2015
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posted August 03, 2015 10:05 AM
His Sun isn't unaspected, it's conjunct Mercury. ------------------
Anomaling around since 1911. IP: Logged |
SoaringLeaves
Knowflake Posts: 160
From: Pluto's heart
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 03, 2015 10:12 AM
"Cecil the Lion’s Brother Jericho Is Alive, Researcher Says" but Another American killed a lion several months ago. http://ti.me/1M53gUD Honestly, I can't even keep reading these news because they break my heart. These people are the same ones who have no problem to abuse humans (any form of abuse, not just physical). For so many years I simply couldn't understand how could anyone hurt another person just because it makes him/her feel powerful, but that's the answer--for a sense of pseudo-godhood. We live in a world in which kids are taught that power, fame, and money are all that matter, not genuine value. Hence people like this Palmer. I agree that he comes from a culture that encourages this kind of behavior, but not many take it to such extremes. I met some wonderful people in Texas who didn't care a bit of guns. So I'm guessing that this Palmer would have found another way to satisfy his need for power, if he had grown up in a different environment. It would be interesting to hear a psychologist's view on his behavior. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 14648
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 03, 2015 10:14 AM
I think there's a huge difference between being a hunter and shooting a stationary giraffe eating from a tree, which is something I can do with a state-of-the-art bow or rifle, as they use, actually a baby can do, and I am not a hunter.Also, a huge difference between having hired help to track an animal, bait it and lure for you, put it in position so that you can SHOOT, then skin it and portion it for you.
He gets his kicks out of the act of killing (the shooting itself) and having the stuffed head in his home. It's about genuine, worst kind snobbery and elitism, bordering on ridiculous (since the need to have those big status symbols on the wall actually shows lacking big things in other areas). There's noting to be proud about in this, it's actually shameful. With his chart, he obviously is very much into big, oversized things. Walter Palmer is not a hunter, sorry. A hunter is someone tracking animals (which is an art in itself), stalking and waiting for them without being sensed by the animal (another part of the art of hunting) then kill it for practical and absolutely necessary reasons such as being hungry or protecting your livestock. I think what Walter Palmer and Prince Harry and everyone on that list do is treating the world like it's a big toy mall. Showing off and "enjoying" being rich and powerful. And ignorant, because this habit shows the person is unaware of the current state of affairs with these animals, since they all are endangered world heritage. It's a senseless act of dominance. And if they are aware of it, yet doing it, it's the same as telling us: "I am rich and powerful, I have access to the forbidden, I have access to everything. I am spoiled by the gods, a fortunate fellow." What he grew up with, what he was raised with, is most likely that he is above other people and that his family is among the rulers and the winners of this world.
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anno_lucis
Knowflake Posts: 978
From: the atman
Registered: Mar 2012
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posted August 03, 2015 11:21 AM
creepy dude. not a leo, but this guy was definitely chasing me round in a nightmare the other night.IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 9139
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 03, 2015 12:55 PM
Even though we might disagree Walter Palmer is an actual hunter, in his own mind, he thinks he is, and who knows if that mind could ever be changed. If it can, it will be women that have the most influence on him. IP: Logged |
Southern Sun
Knowflake Posts: 89
From: USA
Registered: Sep 2014
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posted August 03, 2015 03:48 PM
It really is a leonine event.Hunting for sport is a prideful and masculine thing, meant to show off trophies. The lion was a national symbol of a country, which people took great pride in showing off to tourists. All typical Leo-like traits. Now, for politics... I don't think a western world wide ban will help. The root of the problem is illegal trade of animal parts to Asia. In either instance, people will still hunt regardless of laws. IP: Logged |
StarlightSmileSupreme
Knowflake Posts: 9139
From: neptune
Registered: Nov 2012
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posted August 04, 2015 08:40 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Sun:
It really is a leonine event.Hunting for sport is a prideful and masculine thing, meant to show off trophies. The lion was a national symbol of a country, which people took great pride in showing off to tourists. All typical Leo-like traits. Now, for politics... I don't think a western world wide ban will help. The root of the problem is illegal trade of animal parts to Asia. In either instance, people will still hunt regardless of laws.
I think a ban will help. If you want these animals to survive, you need to give people the message their lives matter and are important to humans. Otherwise, you can bet, they will go extinct. As long as people think of them as things and it's okay for humans to kill them just to get their body parts, there will never be a time they won't be threatened by humans. It's about changing the hearts and minds of humans and an all out ban would be a start. Unfortunately, those on the front lines enforcing it will be the ones most in danger of being shot by ******** .
If you tell the ones wanting the ivory from elephants they cannot hunt yet bring in the big game hunters for a high enough price, you are just weakening the case against the ones who want the ivory to sell. They will see it as weakness and carry on without a thought in the world. The poachers who kill en masse are the real threat, not the big game hunters, but you must ban both or it will never carry any weight. You will not be able to change anyone's heart or mind if you allow the rich, big game hunters in for a price.
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SoaringLeaves
Knowflake Posts: 160
From: Pluto's heart
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 04, 2015 09:15 AM
At least someone is trying to do something about this slaughter: Delta and United ban shipment of big-game trophies http://ti.me/1IlFVb4 IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
Knowflake Posts: 14648
From: Venus cornering Neptune
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted August 05, 2015 12:43 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/aug/05/cecil-the-lion-tribute-created-by-lion-king-animator ------------------
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Sulkyarcher
Knowflake Posts: 82
From: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted August 06, 2015 05:42 PM
I understand the controversy but I also feel some people are just jumping on the bandwagon just because it's popular.IP: Logged |
SoaringLeaves
Knowflake Posts: 160
From: Pluto's heart
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 10, 2015 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I understand the controversy but I also feel some people are just jumping on the bandwagon just because it's popular.
Some people do, but even that is a positive thing. The more people become aware of this problem the better. As about hunting in general, except for doing it out of necessity (food) or survival, why would anyone kill an animal? They have feelings just like us and whoever doubts that should watch this video. https://youtu.be/bfkAXHa-U6w IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher
Knowflake Posts: 82
From: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA
Registered: Dec 2013
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posted August 10, 2015 10:00 AM
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Originally posted by SoaringLeaves:
Some people do, but even that is a positive thing. The more people become aware of this problem the better.As about hunting in general, except for doing it out of necessity (food) or survival, why would anyone kill an animal? They have feelings just like us and whoever doubts that should watch this video. https://youtu.be/bfkAXHa-U6w
I feel that what's happening to the hunter is karmic, all this negative attention that he is getting. It's almost scary how negative the reaction to him is. However, I do realize that his morals and sense of entitlement makes him a piece of poo. Speaking of animals, I do feel bad when animals get skinned, hunted, or worse, tortured.
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