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Topic: Five Quick Ways To Identify a Player From the Natal Chart
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SoaringLeaves
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From: Pluto's heart
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 06, 2015 11:59 AM
  
Wow, LeeLoo, that's a great post! You should be a sociologist.  I would only expand on your following statement, which doesn't detract from your points. quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
However, currently, since it is equally socially acceptable for women to sexually objectify men ( it is rapidly evolving in this direction, in let's say modern societies), the difference tends to blur and women can do socially acceptable sexual sprees too.
I think this is something that applies more to Europe. I was born there, but I live in the U.S. and that statement doesn't apply here. In fact there is an ongoing campaign of shaming women who dare to challenge the antiquated social standards--basically self-sufficient women. (However, the trend I see here is to accept the players of any genre as long as they are rich and powerful.) Still women play too, surely, but for them is a surreptitious activity compared to men, who are encouraged to boast about it. Because of this I believe women with {a heavy 8th house all around, strong Scorpio placements, or aspects that would make one enjoy secrecy} would be more prone to game-playing. But that's not an inborn trait—only a response to the local social norms. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 06, 2015 01:00 PM
Thank you, SL I think it's still happening everywhere, to be honest. We are living during transition times when it comes to mores and roles. Both women and men are confused sometimes because traditional vs contemporary approaches overlap.
Interesting observation about the 8th house  you never know what those do behind closed doors or what their real intentions are hehehe.------------------
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angel4845
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posted August 06, 2015 01:32 PM
I cheated once but emotionally. Hint hint I have venus in sagittarius in the 3rd house squaring my jupiter in virgo in the 12 th house retrograde and my jupiter inconjunct my moon in the 7th house. I didn't love my girlfriend anymore to be honest I was bored I moved on Like a venus in sagitarrius Would! if there not feeling that much for the person anymore there feelings move on unconsciously and it took me a long time to admit that I couldn't love my girlfriend anymore so I left her and completely moved on from her for a year because I felt so guilty that my feelings had moved on so fast and kept trying to convince myself that I was in love with her but I wasnt I couldn't accept it. I also have saturn in the 5th, saturn ruler of my 4th house it's opposing my chiron in the 11th.I can't say im a cheater BUT I can say that i need plenty of freedom in a relationship and Iam attracted to people who flirt like (me) and can get any girl they want haha! But at the same time im very faithful when I feel I truly have found my soulmate I attract a lot of Uranian relationships hint hint my moon squares my uranus and neptune in the 4th house. I do know someone however who is into
Open relationships and she has stellium in gemini. IP: Logged |
SoaringLeaves
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From: Pluto's heart
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted August 06, 2015 02:14 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think it's still happening everywhere, to be honest. We are living during transition times when it comes to mores and roles. Both women and men are confused sometimes because traditional vs contemporary approaches overlap.
Thant's unfortunate. Well, I believe once Pluto crosses into Aqua, there will be a major shift in norms, a "house cleaning" for old ideas. Only 9 more years to go...  IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted August 06, 2015 06:00 PM
If we are talking about hetero relationships where the guy is the player, which seems to be what the whole definition of player is based around.... then the overall impression that this is primarily about control, and not about sex... seems to me like one more instance of this style of misunderstanding: http://www.blameitonthevoices.com/2008/05/difference-between-men-and-women-in.html?m=1 ^ That is exaggerated and it doesn't apply to every situation, but due to conditioning, women do tend to overthink these things and attribute much more psychological/emotional layers to a situation, than are actually there from the male perspective. If you guys have seen Wedding Crashers, that is so -classic- typical, "player" behaviour - and it is for the sex!!
I am not saying that there aren't control-freaks and people with serious issues in this world (e.g. Cecil's hunter) but that's not the majority of players out there - who are reasonably mentally sane - and who believe *lying* is the easiest way for them to get laid. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted August 06, 2015 06:06 PM
Leeloo, I thought you made a great point on the Cecil thread.. which likewise applies here: quote:
A hunter is someone tracking animals (which is an art in itself), stalking and waiting for them without being sensed by the animal (another part of the art of hunting) then kill it for practical and absolutely necessary reasons such as being hungry or protecting your livestock.
From my perspective - someone who "plays" for control and not for the sex... appears just as deviant.. as someone who hunts for the ego boost - rather than for food or protecting livestock.
And this kind of "deviance" is too much of a psychological issue - for me to attribute it to a majority of people.
I'd prefer to believe (as per most statistics out there) that I don't live in a world where a majority of people are *that* sick. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted August 06, 2015 06:10 PM
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I think this is interesting from the differential point of view, again. Men are traditionally more inclined to separate sex from emotions/affection/love. This has to do (among other factors) with the fact that men have had considerable more time for socially acceptable objectification of the opposite gender. Women however, based on the previous models imposed on them, may take such an invitation (the situation you describe here) as a sign of personal interest, rather than what it actually is, an impersonal sexual spree. While the man believes the woman is perfectly aware of this and that she wanted the same thing: sex, a one night stand only.However, currently, since it is equally socially acceptable for women to sexually objectify men ( it is rapidly evolving in this direction, in let's say modern societies), the difference tends to blur and women can do socially acceptable sexual sprees too.
This was really well put! I completely agree with everything you said here IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted August 06, 2015 06:11 PM
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[quote]Wow, LeeLoo, that's a great post! You should be a sociologist.
I second that! IP: Logged |
Sunnya
Knowflake Posts: 595
From: Sunnyland
Registered: Jun 2014
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posted August 06, 2015 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by Faith:
Excellent post, Lee. Brilliant.
Agreed. Super duper wonderfully said LeeLoo  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted August 07, 2015 04:14 AM
Thank you, guys  ------------------
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polkadotstars
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posted August 07, 2015 09:50 AM
One word: LibraLol jk ...sort of IP: Logged |
HoodBlaze
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From: United States
Registered: Jul 2015
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posted August 07, 2015 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by JohnFKennedy:
HoodBlaze, do you know what your MBTI is?
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MineAgain
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posted August 07, 2015 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
Five Quick Ways To Identify a Player From the Natal Chart1. A 5th House Stellium–A stellium is 3 or more planets in a House. 2. These planets should NOT be in the stellium—Saturn and Chiron. If they are, he is unlikely to be a player 3. Planets in the 5th House that strongly make him a player—Jupiter, Mars, Uranus, Pluto, Sun, Moon, Venus 4. The RULERS of the planets are, most likely, from 5th House( it’s own House), the 7th House, the 8th House, the 10th House and the 12th House. 5. In the above instances, the person is using romance to take the place of other life activities. He is using romance/playing to take the place of actual intimacy. Actual intimacy is the 8th House. A serious relationship is the 7th House. Career is the 10th House, Mysticism and creativity is the 12th House. For the player, he subsumes these activities/interests/passions in favor of quick romance and quick sexual affairs
I have a 5th house stellium and I am anything but a flirt. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 07, 2015 01:32 PM
Do you have Chiron or Saturn there? ------------------
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PlutoSurvivor
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posted August 07, 2015 09:24 PM
5th House IS the fun house...sex for fun, not obligation. In otherwords, not with the intent of potential marriage or commitment, as in the 7th House. A player, by definition, would seduce, PRETENDING to care about someone, in order to have sex for fun. It's a game of pretending. If I saw a chart with a stellium of personal planets in 5th house, especially Venus conjunct Mars, or even Uranus in 5h House, I would look really carefully at the other placements and aspects to find out how these natural urges to jump quickly into life experiences and think about them later would play out. I would look for Saturn-Cap for restrictions and to bring responsibility into the mix. I would look to find supporting factors for the player designation. A stellium here would not necessarily make someone a player. It could bring lots of luck, lots of courage, lots of self-motivation. But it would be a red flag for me to search the chart carefully for other aspects that could indicate a player. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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posted August 07, 2015 09:27 PM
Well said, PS  ------------------
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PlutoSurvivor
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posted August 08, 2015 09:11 AM
Thanks, Ami And I might add that the Pretense may very well serve a purpose. Take a look at where the stellium would fall in synastry. That's where the Pretense would be allowed, or initially attracted. Investigate the purpose and then decide if it really serves you. This can bring big healing. You can eliminate the need to bring this type of behavior into your life if you understand why it happens. A Player will only Play those who allow him/her into the game. IP: Logged |
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