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Topic: What aspects give a wicked temper?
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NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 730 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 11, 2015 11:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I never acted out or got in fights...I'm only 5'2 105lbs so everyone could beat me up!! Lol I think my virgo moon in 12th calms me down now....I didn't find my fight until later in life....but now it scares me the things I want to say but hold back just so I don't hurt ppl. But the stuff is true! I just end up saying the same thing(the big picture) just that I want them to go away because they are weak and refuse to change to be better ppl. I want to angrily itemize their every fault, make a list that's pointing out their every flaw and show them how it's totally destroying their lives. I hate that I see this stuff, stupid virgo moon in 12th!
Do you have any patterns in your chart that involves your moon? Like a Yod, t-square, or rectangle? IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 11:23 AM
quote: Originally posted by NYCdodger: Moon Quincunx Mars is crazier i heard lol
Hmmmmm....would a 4 degree quincunx count? Mars gemini@29.33(Nessus cancer@2.30) Mercury saggy@3.32 Sun saggy@4.28 IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 11:26 AM
quote: Originally posted by NYCdodger: Do you have any patterns in your chart that involves your moon? Like a Yod, t-square, or rectangle?
My moon has no aspects....I can check for minor aspects though, I know there is not a Yod including moon. IP: Logged |
NYCdodger Knowflake Posts: 730 From: Registered: Aug 2013
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posted August 11, 2015 11:29 AM
Its possible! And if your moon is unaspected then i can imagine how intense your feelings are. Unaspected planets bring out its energy moreIP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 11:40 AM
quote: Originally posted by NYCdodger: Its possible! And if your moon is unaspected then i can imagine how intense your feelings are. Unaspected planets bring out its energy more
Yes very true! ESP in 12th house, my feelings are so extreme and I don't always understand where they come from. Moon is- semi-sextile Venus 0.28 semi- square Saturn 0.43 semi- square Uranus 1.08 bi-quintile Chiron 0.21 My Moon is exact on my Saturn/Uranus midpoint! I did not know that! Wow! Edit- Moon is also on- Mars/Neptune mp Mars/Mercury mp Mars/Sun mp & Saturn/Uranus mp It's the very verbal Gemini Mars and saggy Sun/Merc/Nep, with Virgo Moon in 12th...there you go, loud mount saggy meets over critical mercury ruled virgo and a gemini Mars! Plus my moon is the midpoint between the Saturn/Uranus's square. IP: Logged |
CosmiqPhuz Knowflake Posts: 297 From: Lititz, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2014
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posted August 11, 2015 11:42 AM
quote: Originally posted by NYCdodger: Moon Quincunx Mars is crazier i heard lol
Man, I gotta look more into Quincunx aspects. Honestly, I've never paid much attention to it. Maybe because the angle doesn't really pop out to me as visually as the others. But I keep hearing people bring it up!
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I've read about this aspect, very emotional anger....I bet mixing these two comes across very similar to Pluto.
Yea, I've probably said a lot of things I regret to people I care about. But, they're very thankful when I'm on their side in a fight or argument! My gut is saying your moon in 12th is what gives you that desire to tear people apart verbally (perhaps rightfully so) when they hurt you. Virgo is highly critical, the moon is your protective defense mechanism, and 12th house can exhibit that negative Pisces trait of destroying someone's soul.
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 11:53 AM
quote: Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz: Yea, I've probably said a lot of things I regret to people I care about. But, they're very thankful when I'm on their side in a fight or argument!My gut is saying your moon in 12th is what gives you that desire to tear people apart verbally when they hurt you. Virgo is highly critical, the moon is your protective defense mechanism, and 12th house can exhibit that negative Pisces trait of destroying someone's soul.
I will fight harder for someone I love than I would ever fight for myself. I probably would get into a physical fight to defend someone I love! I wouldn't do that for myself ever...I'd just walk away. I have to agree about the moon in 12th displaying the shadow side of pisces! It feels good to say that because I can't stand that side of pisces!! I know now how bad and weak it looks, I look when it give into that. It makes so much sense! I wouldn't have thought my moon could do that because it's unaspected but it touches my Sun/Merc and Mars through midpoints...so I guess it can. I didn't realize midpoints could be so dramatic. Side point- maybe I needed to see this and this is why I keep getting burned by pisces moon men who let there shadow side get the best of them. I was seeing a reflection of my own issue in them. Wow! What an eye opener! Actually I've only dated 4 guys in the past 6 years 1st guy-Pisces Mars 2nd guy-Pisces Moon 3rd guy-Pisces Sun 4th guy-Pisces Moon All were using the shadow side of pisces and I got hurt by it ....maybe this realization will help me end this cycle!! My ex husband was a pisces moon also, wow....pisces and cancer seem to be my nemisis, cancer rules the moon, then pisces 12th house. IP: Logged |
bansheequeen Knowflake Posts: 1123 From: Beachville, USA Registered: Jan 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 12:06 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I'd never thought about the stress of being an only aspect. My scorp Uranus only has 2 aspects, trine Mars and square leo Saturn(1.5 degree)My temper is exactly like you said....explosive but like a flash fire. I'll be letting things go, no big deal but then that one thing happens that is just to much and i explode! It's like a flash fire though...I'm so angry then it's gone just as quick as it came and I can barely remember why I was so angry. I need to express all that I've bottled up, ignored and kept my mouth closed about in that explosion so I can get over it, and I do immediately. But then the ppl are left hurting. I can really rip ppl up because having a saggy sun with a virgo moon you don't miss anything. If I don't express it, my anger hangs around awhile...and I get even more angry that I can't express all the faults and esp the double standards I see in ppl because I'm trying not to hurt them. Those are the things that they use to hurt me so I should be able to tell them, right? It just infuriates me that they do it and I can't point it out without hurting them. Ugh!!
Wow. Saturn is involved too! Like pluto, I think saturn really intensifies and hones in on whatever it touches. Uranus makes whatever it touches unpredictable and random. Uranus is just pure chaos. Do you ever just randomly express all your bottled up thoughts when you least expect it? Sag sun and virgo moon sounds like you would be very aware of everything people have done wrong to you and you arent scared to tell them how it is. IP: Logged |
bansheequeen Knowflake Posts: 1123 From: Beachville, USA Registered: Jan 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 12:08 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I've known a few, yes very bad temper! But they are not as calculated as I seem to be, they are more of a big roar, beat someone up and for them it's over. This thing in me wants to rip their insides out emotionally and expose them for all the ways they are hypocrites. Edit-It's like I want to emotionally filet them and then say, "See that's what's wrong with you! Don't you feel better now?" Maybe I've just lived with Pluto on my AC to long...that's what Pluto has done to me, so maybe I think it's ok and appropriate to do to others! Lol
My aries moon boyfriend is like that. He lashes out in anger and two seconds later expects everyone to be sunshine and daisies lol. IP: Logged |
CosmiqPhuz Knowflake Posts: 297 From: Lititz, PA, USA Registered: Jan 2014
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posted August 11, 2015 12:13 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I will fight harder for someone I love than I would ever fight for myself. I probably would get into a physical fight to defend someone I love! I wouldn't do that for myself ever...I'd just walk away.
Virgo is all about being of service to others. Unless pride is involved (Leo, Aries, Scorpio placements), walking away is understandable. quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I have to agree about the moon in 12th displaying the shadow side of pisces! It feels good to say that because I can't stand that side of pisces!! I know now how bad and weak it looks, I look when it give into that. It makes so much sense! I wouldn't have thought my moon could do that because it's unaspected but it touches my Sun/Merc and Mars through midpoints...so I guess it can. I didn't realize midpoints could be so dramatic.
Add in Sag's blunt brutal honesty and there you go! Watch out! Haha.
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Side point- maybe I needed to see this and this is why I keep getting burned by pisces moon men who let there shadow side get the best of them. I was seeing a reflection of my own issue in them. Wow! What an eye opener! Actually I've only dated 4 guys in the past 6 years 1st guy-Pisces Mars 2nd guy-Pisces Moon 3rd guy-Pisces Sun 4th guy-Pisces Moon All were using the shadow side of pisces and I got hurt by it ....maybe this realization will help me end this cycle!! My ex husband was a pisces moon also, wow....pisces and cancer seem to be my nemisis, cancer rules the moon, then pisces 12th house.
Oh man, karmic realization! IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 12:16 PM
quote: Originally posted by bansheequeen: Wow. Saturn is involved too! Like pluto, I think saturn really intensifies and hones in on whatever it touches. Uranus makes whatever it touches unpredictable and random.Uranus is just pure chaos. Do you ever just randomly express all your bottled up thoughts when you least expect it? Sag sun and virgo moon sounds like you would be very aware of everything people have done wrong to you and you arent scared to tell them how it is.
I just realized my Moon sits on Uranus/Saturn's midpoint, that makes them very connected!😱 Yes I do bottle things up and then they can just explode. I've been doing meditation and that helps, plus I take moments away from everyone to regather my happiness at times. Sometimes I just need to cry and get it all out. There's a part of me that's not scared to tell ppl their flaws but then there is another part that doesn't want to hurt anyone, I just want to love everyone. My chart ruler is libra/Venus and my libra Venus is conjunct Pluto on my AC. Plus my Venus is on my Anti-Vertex, opposed Jupiter/Chiron. It's a very strong Venus and chart ruler. IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 12:31 PM
quote: Originally posted by bansheequeen: My aries moon boyfriend is like that. He lashes out in anger and two seconds later expects everyone to be sunshine and daisies lol.
Don't you just love that?? Sorry, wish we were different! 😔 IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 12:35 PM
quote: Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz: Oh man, karmic realization!
Yes! HUGE realization! Funny thing here...retrograde transit Venus is exact on my Saturn/Moon midpoint today. That's very interesting....is it like tr. Venus is forcing me to look at myself(retrograde) and take responsibility(Saturn) for my moon which is acting out in a very unloving way?? Tr. Rx Venus leo@25.13 Moon/Saturn midpoint leo@25.42 Mars/Venus midpoint leo@24.18 Chiron/Mars midpoint taurus@26.53 Why do I feel like such a weight is lifted, like something that's been holding me back now I have the knowledge to know what to do to overcome it. I see what I'm doing and how it's not supporting to my goals or life path, it's destructive to me because I'm ruled by love and this behavior is not loving! Even my Sun/Moon midpoint is in libra/1st house! Lol
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 01:00 PM
Thank you Everyone!! If you ever need me to help you breakdown something like this....please email me! My email is listed in asteroid astrology, moderator, just please identify yourself from LL in the subject of your email or else I might not pay attention to it.I love breaking stuff down(with my chart it's like I was born to do it) and searching for answers like we've down here. I would be willing to help you find answers, you guys have helped me! Thank you 😘 IP: Logged |
Soltze Knowflake Posts: 246 From: Registered: Mar 2015
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posted August 11, 2015 01:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by NYCdodger: Moon Quincunx Mars is crazier i heard lol
Not when your mother is crazy. She slapped me for no reason when I was 12. I slapped her back. No one got physical in that house ever again. She saw the murderous look in my eyes and that incident actually made us a better family. More talking less beating. Moon/Pluto, Mars quincunx Uranus, Bad Moon and Bad Mars in mutual reception haha. U name it I have it IP: Logged |
Sulkyarcher Knowflake Posts: 92 From: Lincoln, Nebraska, USA Registered: Dec 2013
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posted August 11, 2015 02:07 PM
Mars in Aries. IP: Logged |
astra7 Knowflake Posts: 873 From: I live at 667 Registered: Sep 2014
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posted August 11, 2015 03:04 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: I've known a few, yes very bad temper! But they are not as calculated as I seem to be, they are more of a big roar, beat someone up and for them it's over. This thing in me wants to rip their insides out emotionally and expose them for all the ways they are hypocrites. Edit-It's like I want to emotionally filet them and then say, "See that's what's wrong with you! Don't you feel better now?" Maybe I've just lived with Pluto on my AC to long...that's what Pluto has done to me, so maybe I think it's ok and appropriate to do to others! Lol
Agree. It's that Aries dash first, think later. lolYes, it could be your Pluto on Asc but you can't change it anyway so live with it and be yourself....I say. They shouldn't have wronged you in the first place (within reason). IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 03:15 PM
quote: Originally posted by astra7: [QUOTE]Originally posted by Gabby: I've known a few, yes very bad temper! [b] But they are not as calculated as I seem to be, they are more of a big roar, beat someone up and for them it's over. This thing in me wants to rip their insides out emotionally and expose them for all the ways they are hypocrites. Edit-It's like I want to emotionally filet them and then say, "See that's what's wrong with you! Don't you feel better now?" Maybe I've just lived with Pluto on my AC to long...that's what Pluto has done to me, so maybe I think it's ok and appropriate to do to others! Lol
Agree. It's that Aries dash first, think later. lolYes, it could be your Pluto on Asc but you can't change it anyway so live with it and be yourself....I say. They shouldn't have wronged you in the first place (within reason). [/B][/QUOTE] Valid point!! Lol, I like the way you think! IP: Logged |
astra7 Knowflake Posts: 873 From: I live at 667 Registered: Sep 2014
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posted August 11, 2015 05:19 PM
tbh, you don't come across as quick tempered person at least in this forum. If you are antsy, you could always end up in flaming war but you don't!IP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 05:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by astra7: tbh, you don't come across as quick tempered person at least in this forum. If you are antsy, you could always end up in flaming war but you don't!
It takes ALOT to get me upset, things don't typically get to me. I'm not hypersensitive either, I'm pretty laid back. I love peace(libra ruled) and work hard to maintain it. But when my anger is inspired or I've had enough....ppl know to run!! Lol IP: Logged |
astra7 Knowflake Posts: 873 From: I live at 667 Registered: Sep 2014
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posted August 11, 2015 05:36 PM
I really have an anger issue. Mars in Libra. I don't know how to get angry....LOLIP: Logged |
Gabby Moderator Posts: 7177 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted August 11, 2015 06:00 PM
quote: Originally posted by astra7: I really have an anger issue. Mars in Libra. I don't know how to get angry....LOL
Awe! I'm sorry! 😔 My daughter has Mars in libra also, she has the same issue. She gets depressed instead of expressing her anger. I encourage her to express her anger, but she can't, just gets quiet and tries to isolate herself. No matter what if anger isn't used in a constructive way it's destructive. I think you guys(libra Mars) tend to internalize your anger...that's very tough! When you do finally get mad it seems you torture yourself later for not being able to control it. Do you feel you should always be able to keep perfect balance of your anger?? My daughter has told me before I'm lucky that I can express anger....although she hates it when I get upset. She can't handle very much intensity in any way, she needs calm n peace always. IP: Logged |
LaceyLeigh Knowflake Posts: 229 From: New Jersey Registered: Jul 2014
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posted August 11, 2015 07:09 PM
Sun square MoonMercury square Mars Mars square Uranus Mars square Venus IP: Logged |
astra7 Knowflake Posts: 873 From: I live at 667 Registered: Sep 2014
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posted August 11, 2015 07:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Awe! I'm sorry! 😔 My daughter has Mars in libra also, she has the same issue. She gets depressed instead of expressing her anger. I encourage her to express her anger, but she can't, just gets quiet and tries to isolate herself. No matter what if anger isn't used in a constructive way it's destructive. I think you guys(libra Mars) tend to internalize your anger...that's very tough! When you do finally get mad it seems you torture yourself later for not being able to control it. Do you feel you should always be able to keep perfect balance of your anger?? My daughter has told me before I'm lucky that I can express anger....although she hates it when I get upset. She can't handle very much intensity in any way, she needs calm n peace always.
Keep perfect balance of my anger?? What balance? LOLI think I'm like your daughter. I avoid confrontation. I just walk away... thinking the other is the looser but not necessarily say it. lol Too much negativity. IP: Logged |
Kannon McAfee Knowflake Posts: 924 From: Portland, OR - USA Registered: Oct 2011
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posted August 11, 2015 09:05 PM
What aspects give a wicked temper?Most often these planets in hard/strong aspects in longitude or declination. Moon-Mars. Moon-Uranus. Moon-Pluto. Sun-Mars. Mercury-Mars. quote:
... it typically takes forever to make me mad. But once you do.....I won't forgive you, ever!
This is indicative of fixity, particularly the Taurean type, or Scorpio/Pluto. Sometimes Venusian/air, but that doesn't explain holding on to it forever. That's not temper, which can be over in a flash, but resentment. But it is a Libra quality to hit below the belt in the way you describe, and with that Sun-Merc in Sag. Boom -- out the mouth! But that is typical of peacemaker types who contrarily suffer occasional blind rages. You overlook things or sweep it under the emotional rug ... until you've had enough! Your Sun-Mercury at 21 south declination are both Parallel Neptune 20S40. This adds to the tendency to people-please, as well as Venus [5S34] contra-parallel Jupiter [4N34] in your chart. This requires becoming more assertive in the moment as you first notice little things bothering you. When this steam is let out of the nervous system more often by direct address to the sources of your irritation, it is less likely to build up in the ugly expressions you describe. I know about this from my past volcanic temper. I've learned I have the right to express irritation verbally to others in a constructive way, so that nowadays I'm much more likely to express irritation and anger more often, but it never goes volcanic, because I'm not storing $#!T in the 'anger siloh.' ------------------
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