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Topic: Lilith Empowerment
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 12979 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 03, 2015 07:57 AM
I like that Astrolada is presenting this as a Truth and doctrine. She's saying, you cannot change this, this is natural law, it doesn't care about your politics, it doesn't care about your rights, it just *IS.*It's refreshingly narrow-minded, in this broad-minded world of ours!  Though I am just being impishly Aqua Mercury and have no opinion about whether it's True or not...I just dig the presentation.  Sabian for my Lilith: A LARGE WOMAN'S HAT WITH STREAMERS BLOWN BY AN EAST WIND. KEYNOTE: Protection and spiritual guidance in the development of consciousness. --- Not sure what to make of that. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 03, 2015 09:20 AM
quote: Originally posted by LeeLoo2014: In relation to your thread, yes, I see it as becoming aware of your feminine/personal power. Lilith is the symbol of personal power and not accepting to be ruled or caged by a "higher power", Lilith has no "god" or "master", she is seeking the highly individualized power coming from inside and what makes her unique. Her journey starts with an act of rebellion..... ...It also makes me a rebel to be honest, with unconventional behavior or views in relationships and other things, enjoying wild nature and wild things, basically a hippie at heart. It connects to my Uranus peregrine in the 9th. And empowering people is a major theme for me (especially those who need to catch up with social power, women, and everyone looking to get in touch with their personal power). Seduction is an important value for me (the "good" seduction, empowering people and relationships, creating mutuality, exploring the goddess in women and the god in men and bringing it into tangible form in the every day). (it resonates strongly with my Venus on 8th cusp and the other 8th placements). And I work with Lilith energy in what I do, both in psychology and art (square MC/Vesta in Scorpio).
I'm focusing on these ideas...
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 03, 2015 09:21 AM
...connected with these ideas...
quote: Originally posted by Faith:
[13:08] Women can drain their sacral chakra by overusing her 3rd chakra, pulling too much from the sacral. However if their career is emotionally fulfilling, this chakra will have a healthy rotation, from the 2nd to 4th chakras. Some women renounce their sexuality to achieve great things, drawing up from the 2nd chakra to the 3rd, on purpose.
With particular focus on developing the strength of the 2nd Chakra and drawing on that power, drawing it up to the 3rd Chakra, independent of a partner. I agree with the rest of the views. I've learned and practiced the exchange (between partners) from another text in another language, but here, I'm talking about Lilith. Just waiting to get to my PC to share more
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 7669 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted September 03, 2015 09:36 AM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: Gabby, I'm so disappointed you took your comment down. You always share so honestly and openly. It's easy to connect with what you're saying and gain another perspective, or build on ideas I was already cooking up. I work insane hours, but I've been reading everyone's personal experience with Lilith, waiting for the couple of hours I get to myself to put up my thoughts on her. Actually I lied. Yesterday I wasn't working. I took the children to a theme park and they chased me around as I ran from one thrill ride to the next. I'm not usually a thrill ride lady, but you should have seen me yesterday. I was running to the front of the train, and then on the ride I wasn't screaming. I was just exclaiming "Yyyesss! this is what I need". I was worried the people behind me thought I was being obscene, lol, but I couldn't help it!
Anyway, Any chance you might re-post?
Oh, I'm sorry I was just reading through others posts and felt my post wasn't very fitting for what everyone was discussing. I mean I compared Lilith to Michonne from "The Walking Dead" lol I do think that character embodies Lilith but it didn't seem to fit here! Ill try to remember my post and repost the thought. Your day sounds amazing!! I love days like that and I'm so happy you didn't let what ppl thought stop you from having fun! I LOVE theme parks, the scarier the ride the better! I'll go on the rides my kids won't! Although my pisces son is always willing to go on any ride to! He loves the scary rides! IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 03, 2015 09:42 AM
And let me add that when I say "independent of a partner", I don't mean to say one's status would even be single...IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 03, 2015 09:47 AM
quote: Originally posted by Gabby: Oh, I'm sorry I was just reading through others posts and felt my post wasn't very fitting for what everyone was discussing. I mean I compared her Michonne from "The Walking Dead" lol I do think that character embodies Lilith but it didn't seem to fit here! Ill try to remember my post and repost the thought.
Your perspective really matters. We're all kicking ideas around, and some of them just really mean something to each one of us, and it's going to be nothing but personal, and "about me and what I know..." But what you know may be really valuable to someone else and help them finish building whatever they're working on in their head. edit: I liked your post. There was something in there that made me uncomfortable. I don't like feeling uncomfortable, of course, but I pay attention when I do.
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Gabby Moderator Posts: 7669 From: Registered: Sep 2012
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posted September 03, 2015 10:32 AM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: Your perspective really matters. We're all kicking ideas around, and some of them just really mean something to each one of us, and it's going to be nothing but personal, and "about me and what I know..."But what you know may be really valuable to someone else and help them finish building whatever they're working on in their head. edit: I liked your post. There was something in there that made me uncomfortable. I don't like feeling uncomfortable, of course, but I pay attention when I do.
Thank you!! It's funny, I deleted it because I didn't think ppl would be comfortable with what I said. I didn't want ppl to say, oh there she goes again with her crazy, out in left field thinking! Lol I think my thoughts on Lilith are a bit different from what others feel/express. I feel I've had very personal experiences with her energy, and I do think sometimes my thoughts are extreme, something not everyone will be comfy with... She touches me so personally making a nearly exact tight kite in my chart with my Sun/Merc, Saturn and Karma. Panacea sits on my BM Lilith. Plus asteroid Lilith is on my scorp Uranus/Kaali/Pandora/Minerva/Pythia I have a lot of other important asteroids all bunched up there together (I think 9 spiritual/mystical asteroids all within 2 degrees of each other) all tightly square my leo Saturn. I guess I feel her somewhat differently than others so I don't express my deeper thoughts on her nature often. I think she lives in survival mode and cannot break free of that because she has had to fight so hard to be accepted as anything of value. I mean even god told her to get lost, she was turned out and abandoned even by god for refusing to conform. That's a lot of pain she has pent up and when you use her energy your using her pain as a driving force. That's why I said she has a chip on her shoulder that will not go away!! She has something to prove to a world that has disowned her for being true to herself. She expressed her needs and valued them over a mans, for that god(her father) who was supposed to love her unconditionally said she was no good and cast her out. No more of his protection and love in a world completely foreign to her. She was left on her own to survive or die completely alone because of her convictions. That's a hard pill to swallow! It's kind of a sad story for her...she's angry about it. She has a right to be to! Funny I've had a very similar story but my experience has helped me to become happier instead of permanently destroy me. I'll try to remember my post in more detail. IP: Logged |
PaulMcFly Knowflake Posts: 69 From: Olive branch, MS USA Registered: Aug 2015
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posted September 03, 2015 10:48 AM
My lillth and Pallas is in 8H Gemini. Only thing in Gemini and is somehow my 3rd strongest sign. Always been curious about this. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 04, 2015 02:07 AM
please excuse me going back and forth between present and past tense. Lilith is and was..Also please don't be offended by my religious references. The myth of Lilith involves Biblical references. ----------------------------------------------- While there really is no evidence of the myth of Lilith having genuine Hebrew origins, I like to use the Hebrew myth. Here Lilith is created as Adam's first wife and equal. Adam, the first man, who had the breath of God breathed into him, who has the same power of will and manifestation as God, also has... an equal in Lilith. I like to think of Lilith and Adam as Twin Souls.
Their separation was violent and painful. Adam rejected Lilith, and for Lilith, Adam’s equal and creative partner, there was something worse than being denied her Twin's love- It was being denied her rightful place at his side as co-creator and manifestor. It really was a crime of oppression Adam committed against Lilith. And this, I think, is why Lilith committed herself to destruction. Lilith knows her power, but she doesn't know her potential. She actually doesn't believe that without Adam she is capable of anything other than destruction. This is my very subjective opinion, but to me it's kind of obvious. Co-creator goes destructor? This is the person who self-sabotages because she doesn't believe she can actually achieve success. Lilith Empowerment to me is Lilith seeing herself as Adam's creative equal, getting beyond the rage, forgiving her Twin, allowing him his individual growth and pursuing her own. Much easier said than done. In the face of Adam choosing to create with his soulmate, Eve, Lilith has to figure out how to create alone... There is someone, who I don’t believe has any representation in astrology, but who shows that what Lilith cannot do, or what Lilith believes cannot be done, can be done. It is Mary, mother of Jesus. Before Jesus, Mary lived in her uncle/cousin Zachariah’s home. Zachariah was John the Baptist’s father. Zachariah would on enter Mary’s room and find her with food, drink, and gifts neither he nor anyone in his household gave to Mary. When he asked Mary where the gifts came from she would say “the Lord”... In this way Mary “conceived” many times before Jesus. The conception of Jesus, symbolically the ultimate creative power (of the 2nd Chakra?), is Mary showing Lilith the way to her personal power. This was my reason for including Lada's video in this topic. Much of the video covers the creative exchange between partners; Adam and Eve. But Lada does touch on the cultivation of the 2nd Chakra energy for the purposes of drawing that energy up to the 3rd Chakra......This, again, points to the work of positive Lilith expression. editing to add: Above I'm sharing my interpretation of the myth. I can't really pull it together into a conclusion (any kind of generalization). I just have to tell you how this plays out for me... I think I'll be sharing my Lilith experiences, and how she works in my chart- not sure..It's so much harder sharing inspiration than it is being inspired...I might find some audio software and talk it out accommodating my 12th house Mercury. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 04, 2015 08:06 AM
quote: Originally posted by 12muddy: I have lilith conjunct mercury, trine moon.Compared to other influences in my chart, Lilith doesn't seem to be a big player. But she lurks in the depth of my consciousness. Colours my mind. Comes out in my words. I use it to my advantage, there are some who're attracted to this wild side, who find guilty pleasure in letting themselves be drawn in and be inspired. Feed the hungry beast, I know you want to.
this may not be your type of music, but you wrote, there are some who're attracted to this wild side, who find guilty pleasure in letting themselves be drawn in and be inspired. Feed the hungry beast, I know you want to. ...and I can't help myself you know you like it another way to listen
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About the video. It's interesting. I am more than capable of being the provider. One thing she mentions is doing something that you like, and/or finding creative outlets. It's true for me. I enjoy the things I do, and they more or less belong to the artistic/creative range.
I would think this is an example of working well with your 2nd Chakra energy. quote:
Power/satisfaction/emotional fulfillment comes from being my own person. People who are attracted to me, they look at me and think (sometimes ask me outright): "What does she want, what can I give her?". My husband mentions that he always feels the desire to give me things that I [b]don't know that I want.[/B]
Why do you think that is? I don't want to guess and be way off. IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 04, 2015 08:12 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aquarian Moon: It means living and loving on MY terms, and not the puritanical ideals I was raised with. I'm all about my "P" power and refuse to allow someone to interfere in the way I live my life. It's about realizing that women have power and pull. Men are powerful in their way, we are powerful in our own way.My bml is conjunct my Venus-Uranus conjunction and it also sextiles my Moon and Midheaven.
yes, very well put. I appreciate the balance in your statement- makes it more powerful..speaking of power IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 04, 2015 08:18 AM
quote: Originally posted by mollywu: I have Lillith conjunct Sun and Venus under 1 degree in 1st house, conjunct Asc and NN in 3 degrees, however it's powerless to me.
I wonder if Lilith just blends harmoniously with the other energies in this conjunction? Maybe you can find Lilith.. in how you see/feel your Sun and Venus? IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 04, 2015 08:25 AM
quote: Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia: I'm interested in chakras but I can't get excited about this video so I shall stop at the 9th minute. I guess I'm too asocial to care. If you post a tutorial on how to con people, I'll watch it no matter how long it lasts hihi
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 04, 2015 08:56 AM
Hello Lovely Saturn quote: Originally posted by SaturnFan: Venus, I remember another thread where we discussed Lilith and you gave me great advice on how to find out which of the "Liliths" resonates most with me.
did I? quote: I'm finding the one which conjuncts my DSC in Leo to be the most powerful one (not sure how it's called but it's the one you can select from the list on astro.com). I suspect it's especially relevant because it balances my Taurus Moon - Aquarius Venus/AC - Scorpio Pluto t-square, and since the best way to "handle" a t-square is to exhibit the traits of the "missing" sign, exploring my Lilith seems especially important.
Oh wow Saturn, that is really interesting. How was Venus retrograde for you?! My Lilith is at the end of my Leo 1st house @ 0 Virgo. Venus retrograde through Leo this year and 8 years ago releases Lilith. This Venus retrograde Venus sat on my Lilith for several days. I'll have to check 2007 I think it's good luck Saturn, to have a transit like Venus retro on an angle. It makes the development of something like Lilith on the DSC easier. I guess it's conjunction to your DSC is what makes it the most prominent of the Liliths..energy and lessons are direct.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 12979 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 04, 2015 04:34 PM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: this may not be your type of music, but you wrote,there are some who're attracted to this wild side, who find guilty pleasure in letting themselves be drawn in and be inspired. Feed the hungry beast, I know you want to. ...and I can't help myself you know you like it another way to listen
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SaturnFan Knowflake Posts: 685 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted September 05, 2015 03:33 AM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: Hello Lovely Saturn
Hello Lovely Venus!  quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: did I?
I found the thread, here it is. This quote in particular inspired me to take a more realistic look at my Lilith placements  quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: I accepted the horror of it, so that I could take it in and examine it for any possible truth. What I mean is, I said, "ok. That's me. Now let me find it in myself" If I had been unable to find any truth, then I would have rejected it altogether, but I did find truth in it.
Your entire post is amazing, and the whole discussion in this thread as well. quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: Oh wow Saturn, that is really interesting. How was Venus retrograde for you?! My Lilith is at the end of my Leo 1st house @ 0 Virgo. Venus retrograde through Leo this year and 8 years ago releases Lilith. This Venus retrograde Venus sat on my Lilith for several days. I'll have to check 2007 I think it's good luck Saturn, to have a transit like Venus retro on an angle. It makes the development of something like Lilith on the DSC easier. I guess it's conjunction to your DSC is what makes it the most prominent of the Liliths..energy and lessons are direct.
I'll start off with a disclaimer that all transits which have been taking place this summer, for me have been overpowered by Pluto retrograding over my 12H cusp and heading over to station over my Mercury exact at the end of September, with my Sun just a few degrees away. I've been mostly introverted and doing so much analysis and digging into my unconsciousness and ancestral history, and it's been so intense and illuminating, I feel like I'm a completely different person than I was at the beginning of this year. Every time I try to engage with the external world on my own, Pluto puts the breaks on me, by draining all energy - I've never experienced such overpowering fatigue in my entire life. Jupiter's transiting my 7H so it takes care of the external world reaching out to me periodically, but it feels like Pluto's dictating the overall pace. It's definitely time for introspection for me. After this summer there's no doubt in my mind that Pluto's the most powerful planet, I find it genuinely funny that it's called a "dwarf" by astronomers So Venus retrograding near my DSC and Lilith, feels like it was in service to Pluto - taking an honest look at subconscious patterns about relating to others, and freeing myself from unhealthy thoughts and behaviours. "Releasing Lilith", as you so beautifully put it, is definitely where this whole process has been heading. In fact I'm very grateful that you posted this thread, it came up at a perfect time for me personally - I had forgotten about Lilith, with all this Pluto action! So thank you! I hope this thread runs for a while!
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venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 06, 2015 05:39 PM
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foxxyxo Knowflake Posts: 401 From: Registered: May 2012
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posted September 06, 2015 09:03 PM
i have lillith in capricorn square to my libra moon exactly. i also have venus scorp conjunct pluto 8th house and i hear scorp and lilliyh are similar so yea my life is extremely affected!! no guy can control me let alone i have a hard time even letting them into my emotional barrier, sometimes girls too. i have secrets that i pick and choose to tell others cause i know the what kind of consequences come through being judged...guys often say they cant control me and i think this makes them not want to "date" me but just be involved with me if ya knowww what im saying lol...im extremely rebellious..i choose a path ot career my family doesnt support but i do it anyways lol list goes on and on. just an extreme individual thats hard to be influenced by unless i have respect for a person..also every serious love affair ive had so far, it has always been a love triangle or some type of baggage the guy has a hard time getting over...for ex.) 2nd bf had this fantasy love with a girl he could never get. 3rd bf has baby mama and she tries to win him back...this has caused me to detach from relationships more and im pretty commitment phobic now. hmphthrough all the pain though i feel like a really strong person, full of confidence and that i can handle anything. lillith is truly the phoenix that rises from the ashes IP: Logged |
Faith Knowflake Posts: 12979 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 06, 2015 09:42 PM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: Saturn and friends lol not a video ..I don't say um that much in real life Saturn..lol. I know I don't!...my friends&fam would definitely have something to say...
Oooo you have a pretty voice! *listening* IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 07, 2015 06:29 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith:
Sabian for my Lilith: A LARGE WOMAN'S HAT WITH STREAMERS BLOWN BY AN EAST WIND.KEYNOTE: Protection and spiritual guidance in the development of consciousness.
^ what's that Faith? What is the Sabian? IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 07, 2015 06:38 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: Oooo you have a pretty voice!*listening*
I'm not sure about having a pretty voice...what I do have is a cold 😊. If I can let go of my insecurity, I think this is the way for me to set my 12th house mercury free, and allow what I want to communicate to flow. I wasn't quite able to achieve a free flow in my response to Saturn, but she's a friend, and a good person to start with.
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Faith Knowflake Posts: 12979 From: Bella's Hair Salon Registered: Jul 2011
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posted September 07, 2015 08:57 AM
You sound like my elegant sister-in-law...'doesn't even matter what she says, her voice is like fine crystal...she could be reading the phonebook to me and I'm like.."*sniffle* That's so beautiful!!!"  Makes it a little difficult to listen to the words sometimes, when I'm focused on the underlying "music." But I liked your story of meeting the Scottish girl whose Lilith completes a grand cross. I think the phrase you were looking for is "missing leg." (?) My BML is at 7 Aries. The hat Sabian (for 8 Aries) is supposed to indicate protection through spiritual inquiries, or something...I just found it odd because at my most LILITH, when I just thumbed my nose at everyone, I became religious and wore head coverings including hats.  IP: Logged |
SaturnFan Knowflake Posts: 685 From: Registered: Dec 2014
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posted September 10, 2015 08:44 AM
quote: Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell: Saturn and friends lol not a video
..I don't say um that much in real life Saturn..lol. I know I don't!...my friends&fam would definitely have something to say...
Wow, this was so incredibly sweet, and awesome! I'm with Faith on this, your voice is beautiful! Thank you Venus... I'll make a recording for you too and will send it either here or by email.  IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 10, 2015 09:11 AM
I hope you're very well. It's so funny. I was just coming to LL to edit out my little audio and send it to you in email, and I saw you replied. It was fun to do. I want to see if I can communicate better speaking my thoughts. I do very well among my friends communicating verbally, and I guess... channeling is what I want to say... I didn't achieve it this time but I saw the opportunity in replying to your post, and maybe sometime in the near future, when I come back from exploring I'll do another. Anyway glad you enjoyed it. I'm going to edit it now that you've heard it ETA yes Saturn please send me your voice! In email or here IP: Logged |
venus2tinkerbell Knowflake Posts: 1163 From: New York, New York, USA Registered: Nov 2014
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posted September 10, 2015 09:21 AM
quote: Originally posted by Faith: You sound like my elegant sister-in-law...'doesn't even matter what she says, her voice is like fine crystal...she could be reading the phonebook to me and I'm like.."*sniffle* That's so beautiful!!!"  Makes it a little difficult to listen to the words sometimes, when I'm focused on the underlying "music."
I do sing when I speak, but it's just a little exaggerated here. Well...Leo Jupiter/Asc- isn't that like exaggerated exaggeration? (someone who actually knows the word for that is like, "*****'s the word you idot" lol)
quote: But I liked your story of meeting the Scottish girl whose Lilith completes a grand cross. I think the phrase you were looking for is "missing leg." (?)
I would have told it better if I could gaze into your eyes. "missing leg"! Yes! thank you so much. You just learned me something. I love how you can "complete me". Is that your Cap Sun knowing how to work with strong water influenced communication because of your Moon? Or something like that? Where's your Mercury? quote: My BML is at 7 Aries. The hat Sabian (for 8 Aries) is supposed to indicate protection through spiritual inquiries, or something...I just found it odd because at my most LILITH, when I just thumbed my nose at everyone, I became religious and wore head coverings including hats. 
gonna quote the above separately so when I get serious again and come looking for this, I can find it easily. IP: Logged | |