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Topic: Non-White People's Sun Signs
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Southern Sun
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Registered: Sep 2014
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posted November 16, 2015 06:57 PM
  
It does feel like tumblr is trying to worm its way into LL thru this thread. I speak for myself when I say I don't need to be cordoned off into neat little social subcategories so SJWs can pow wow about saving the world. The Uranian in me loathes the terms "POC" and "woman of color" for this reason. Check your divisive politicking at the door--thanks!IP: Logged |
PixieJane
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Registered: Oct 2010
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posted November 16, 2015 07:10 PM
Just for the record, I didn't find this thread as divisive, nor did I, as a white person, feel attacked by the OP starting this thread (if I did, I'd say something about that). I also didn't think it was necessary, but the OP obviously felt a bit excluded by astrology in general, so maybe others did as well, and I saw this thread as for them (and there were tangential aspects that would interest me, if they were explored, and could possibly add new perspectives).
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LeeLoo2014
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posted November 19, 2015 09:32 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Sun:
The Uranian in me loathes the terms "POC" and "woman of color" for this reason. !
I feel the same way. I thought about the thread and the fact that I've never thought of myself as "white", until this occasion. I filled some forms where it says Caucasian, but I always thought of them as needed for identification purposes.
I grew up in a country where there were very few foreigners. When I got in touch with people from various cultures, because of the novelty to see a "black' or Asian person for the first time, there was like a split second when I noticed that. Now, I don't notice someone's race at all, unless they're cooking Asian or Jamaican cuisine for me  I don't think of myself as being "white", ever. ------------------
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hannaramaa
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posted November 19, 2015 09:57 AM
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Just for the record, I didn't find this thread as divisive, nor did I, as a white person, feel attacked by the OP starting this thread (if I did, I'd say something about that). I also didn't think it was necessary, but the OP obviously felt a bit excluded by astrology in general, so maybe others did as well, and I saw this thread as for them (and there were tangential aspects that would interest me, if they were explored, and could possibly add new perspectives).
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Queen Salome
Knowflake Posts: 660
From: Sirius
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted November 19, 2015 10:53 AM
I'm quite sure that astrology in India and many other countries is not white-centric. Maybe you just live in wrong country. IP: Logged |
Queen Salome
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From: Sirius
Registered: Jul 2013
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posted November 19, 2015 11:45 AM
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athenaia
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From: USA
Registered: May 2015
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posted November 19, 2015 12:02 PM
I'm extremely Uranian and I'm very grateful that the term "woman of color" exists as I filter my experiences in the world through that very succinct and descriptive term, which is entirely unique to my interactions. What I experience is not what the average, run-of-the-mill white woman experiences as we engage in our respective social institutions, and knowing that I'm a POC allows my anxiety to settle down because we inhabit and illicit different reactions from different people simple by existing as the races we are.Anyway, I think it's about time for this topic to be formally closed by a mod. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 19, 2015 02:34 PM
Well, Athenaia, this is the definition of racism: putting much emphasis on your skin color or your race or someone else's.I thought the point was equality, and not getting different reactions, illicit or not, based on your skin color. I guess I was being naive. ------------------
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DopGang
Knowflake Posts: 3194
From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted November 19, 2015 02:43 PM
Nevermind. I don't want to go down this path all over again. I'm in agreement with LeeLoo though. IP: Logged |
Ami Anne
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From: Pluto/house next to NickiG
Registered: Sep 2010
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posted November 19, 2015 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Well, Athenaia, this is the definition of racism: putting much emphasis on your skin color or your race or someone else's.I thought the point was equality, and not getting different reactions, illicit or not, based on your skin color. I guess I was being naive.
Can't we drop it! ------------------
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Isa
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posted November 19, 2015 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Well, Athenaia, this is the definition of racism: putting much emphasis on your skin color or your race or someone else's.I thought the point was equality, and not getting different reactions, illicit or not, based on your skin color. I guess I was being naive.
Are you white?
You sound like you are white. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted November 19, 2015 03:27 PM
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Originally posted by Isa:
Are you white?
You sound like you are white.
I'm actually a bit reddish in the cheeks. And my hair is black as hell. Can you tell? From what I sound like? IP: Logged |
DopGang
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From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted November 19, 2015 05:50 PM
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Originally posted by Isa:
Are you white?
You sound like you are white.
Way to illustrate the core of the problem. That's the dumbest, most prejudice thing in this thread.
But I forgot. It's white people who are racist. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
Knowflake Posts: 4102
From: love lives forever
Registered: Mar 2014
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posted November 19, 2015 06:01 PM
The fact that you get to never think of yourself as white illustrates the imbalance. People of colour don't have the option to just not think about it because they're treated differently on account of their skin colour! The fact that white is seen as a non-race IS white privilege. IP: Logged |
yungang_grotto
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From: love lives forever
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posted November 19, 2015 06:06 PM
But LeeLoo I understand you come from a place which doesn't have the same kind of racial tension as other parts of the world and so feeling confronted on account of skin colour and struggling to identify how you personally play into this could be challenging/unusual or not useful for you personally.I think that the term POC and woman of colour needn't be seen as problematic since it is the way another person chooses to identify which helps them navigate this truly difficult world we live in. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6
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posted November 19, 2015 06:07 PM
Am I not being treated differently on account of my skin colour?
See? You assume that I don't see myself as white and that's it, it's about me and "My race".
 Case closed. IP: Logged |
Isa
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posted November 19, 2015 06:11 PM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Way to illustrate the core of the problem. That's the dumbest, most prejudice thing in this thread.
But I forgot. It's white people who are racist.
Yes, you are correct. It's white people who are racist.
Or do you really believe reverse racism is a thing? Because it isn't. It doens't exist. Case closed.
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DopGang
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From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6
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posted November 19, 2015 06:16 PM
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Originally posted by Isa:
Yes, you are correct. It's white people who are racist.
Or do you really believe reverse racism is a thing? Because it isn't. It doens't exist. Case closed.
Is that why my "white b**ch" sister was not allowed into her own mixed-race daughters POC family's house? (They weren't fighting. She just wasn't allowed in)
So reverse racism doesn't exist?
And while visiting out of town friends who are POC told me not to venture out alone because I would be a target for robbery because I'm an "easy white target". Unbelievable amounts of ignorance in this thread. Truly unbelievable. No wonder there's problems with half-witted beliefs like that. IP: Logged |
DopGang
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From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted November 19, 2015 06:20 PM
I'm actually totally dumbfounded at the stupidity. I can't even continue because it's obviously hopeless with this kind of... I can't even come up with the words. There's no sense that I can even argue against.
Good grief.
Please don't reproduce. Good bye. IP: Logged |
Liliya
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posted November 19, 2015 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by DopGang:
Way to illustrate the core of the problem. That's the dumbest, most prejudice thing in this thread.
But I forgot. It's white people who are racist.
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appleberry
Moderator Posts: 2872
From: Venusian
Registered: Jun 2011
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posted November 19, 2015 07:10 PM
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LaceyLeigh
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posted November 19, 2015 07:52 PM
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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
The fact that you get to never think of yourself as white illustrates the imbalance. People of colour don't have the option to just not think about it because they're treated differently on account of their skin colour! The fact that white is seen as a non-race IS white privilege.
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cchampliss2
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posted November 19, 2015 08:24 PM
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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
The fact that you get to never think of yourself as white illustrates the imbalance. People of colour don't have the option to just not think about it because they're treated differently on account of their skin colour! The fact that white is seen as a non-race IS white privilege.
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cchampliss2
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posted November 19, 2015 08:36 PM
I didn't quite go over all 8 pages of this thread, but did anybody touch on the myth of race itself? I saw a mention of colors being listed as "race" and I'm guessing that's the ol' false categorization of groups of people that were not European. That's pretty outdated. The only race there is biologically would be the human race. So, the concept of race itself is a social construct. To do what? To oppress and marginalize those who are not white European. Not acknowledging the social construct of race and it's effects is called "colorblind racism" and is usually tied to white privilege/supremacy. Also, whoever apologized for making people uncomfortable with this post, don't. Think of how uncomfortable being on the receiving end of discrimination and perpetual injustice based on something you can't help, really is.
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DopGang
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From: MBTI - INTJ -- Enneagram - 5w6
Registered: Jun 2015
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posted November 19, 2015 08:45 PM
Pathetic. I swear people have thought of everything to call themselves "oppressed" and 1 million ways that we're racist.
The white person is in such position that they can do no right, only wrong.
That's what I'm getting.
You want to be treated equal and when someone does it's called "colour blind racism". Absurd.
Why don't you all focus on love instead of the negative thinking of feeling oppressed and how you're different.
Just love. When I'm treated differently based on my race I just think it's sad, because it is. But the only thing that will change it is me when I show them that I actually don't care about color and that I care despite our unimportant outer differences. Calling it out and finger pointing and saying that someone is privileged based on race will NEVER get the desired result. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Ever hear that?
This world is so screwed up, I swear.
You're only going to upset people, that's it. I've made so many friends who were not fond of white people and I didn't do it by pointing out where I thought they were flawed. (Though this thread seems to be different). I did it by persevering and having genuine kindness and caring.
People these days have it so wrong. IP: Logged |
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