posted November 12, 2015 01:54 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Thank you for this thread. There isn't enough love for people of color in astrology. Especially when it comes to describing what each sign/rising sign looks like. Very unfortunate.

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Thank you, it took a lot of effort to get all of this together. I agree with all your statements. It makes extremely happy that I could make a positive impact

posted November 12, 2015 02:13 PM            

There was another thread recently where someone brought up the fact that Asc descriptions are biased. I only read the first post, but the difference between that thread and this one was clarity. It clearly stated a problem, which is the first step to solving said problem. This without a clear objective is divisive, frankly.

posted November 12, 2015 02:15 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I kind of agree with this.
It can be looked at from many viewpoints and I really do have some understanding for several of them. Including this one, yet, it also annoys me.
However, from MY viewpoint, being a person who really doesn't give it (race) much thought until it's brought up. How is it supposed to end when it's constantly being put in the spotlight? I hate Forcing diversity. Forcing people who otherwise wouldn't think about race into defensive positions. It will always exist (racial separation) for those who look for it. ALWAYS. Regardless of if it's actually occurring or not.
I've seen plenty of non-white people here, not even mentioning it. Even asking for asc sign guesses and race was never brought up. Look for racial biases and you'll find them. I could find them against whites if I looked around. I just really don't care to.

But I'll go ahead and just move on with my 2 cents.

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I can understand your frustration, but try to put yourself in different shoes. When I hear phrases like, "I don't see color" or "There's one human race" I get offended because I believe it dismisses the struggles of people who are do not have privileged characteristics. It's used to sidestep the lack of diversity and inclusion in higher education, to back away from the sense of pain and responsibility that comes from acknowledging all the ugly racial dynamics that play out in our society. The said truth is, looks shouldn't matter, but they do in the realistic world. It matters that there are still people alive today who have been through the holocaust, who remember segregation, who have been denied a job or housing because of an identity and it matters that people's cultural looks are pointed at as "exotic" or "unique" from others.

posted November 12, 2015 02:22 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
For all saying that this is not helpful for appearance, I did do a recent thread about rising signs relating to Black individuals. Would you like a link? I just posted for sun signs because that's something many people identify with and I was hoping someone would be inspired by the cool people who share their sign.

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posted November 12, 2015 02:23 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I kind of agree with this.
It can be looked at from many viewpoints and I really do have some understanding for several of them. Including this one, yet, it also annoys me.
However, from MY viewpoint, being a person who really doesn't give it (race) much thought until it's brought up. How is it supposed to end when it's constantly being put in the spotlight? I hate Forcing diversity. Forcing people who otherwise wouldn't think about race into defensive positions. It will always exist (racial separation) for those who look for it. ALWAYS. Regardless of if it's actually occurring or not.
I've seen plenty of non-white people here, not even mentioning it. Even asking for asc sign guesses and race was never brought up. Look for racial biases and you'll find them. I could find them against whites if I looked around. I just really don't care to.
I don't come to just completely spoil the party but to give an alternative viewpoint as to how these kinds of things can come across.
So with that I'll go ahead and just move on with my 2 cents.

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posted November 12, 2015 02:25 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
If there's a problem address it directly with real work and a solution and then go ahead and state why, but this... Just not very productive. I know all about racism. My dad is a black American/Cherokee Native who grew up in a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn. He doesn't believe in "showing love". He believes in solving problems and bringing those who are open to coming together, together.

There was another thread recently where someone brought up the fact that Asc descriptions are biased. I only read the first post, but the difference between that thread and this one was clarity. It clearly stated a problem, which is the first step to solving said problem. This without a clear objective is divisive, frankly.

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I made a thread about black individual's rising signs, would you like a link? I see where you're going with this, but I would also like to point out that I am an activist in my community, I also volunteer my time whenever I can to better my community. The point of this thread is to show other non-privileged people individuals who share their sun sign. I chose the sun sign because that is the most common relatable sign. Do you think it would be clearer if I changed the original wording?

posted November 12, 2015 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
I share exact same opinion as you do.
My s.o. is of a different race and we rarely if ever talk about racial stuff.
If we have to follow the OP example, we would be placed in separate threads here, me in the white thread and him in the non- white thread , and it just makes me sick.

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But why is being a different culture a bad thing? You can acknowledge differences and how it affects the other person in a respectful manner and still remain one. My SO is Latino and I am of Jewish descendant. We acknowledge this about each other and recognize that we each have different experiences. Taking about racial disparities shouldn't be looked down upon, a dialogue should happen. I wish a world existed where it didn't, but there are too many people out there who want to hurt others.

Also, as a note, why does the phrase black individuals bother you? Would black people/persons be better? In my experience, I've heard that it's just a colloquial thing and there's not a big difference.

posted November 12, 2015 02:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
I made a thread about black individual's rising signs, would you like a link? I see where you're going with this, but I would also like to point out that I am an activist in my community, I also volunteer my time whenever I can to better my community. The point of this thread is to show other non-privileged people individuals who share their sun sign. I chose the sun sign because that is the most common relatable sign. Do you think it would be clearer if I changed the original wording?

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I lost my temper and I'm sorry. It's clear you mean well, and you have suffered yourself. I don't agree with your approach, but you're clearly not out to get people so I don't need to attack you. I look forward to participating in another one of your future threads.

posted November 12, 2015 02:35 PM            

Race discussions are uncomfortable because they're not had nearly enough in a calm and welcoming atmosphere in the lives of most people. It's important to recognize our cultural heritages, as sweeping them under the rug only perpetuates the issue of predominantly white representation standing in for POC (people of color). There are no such thing as "red, yellow, purple" people. The notion of being "colorblind" ignores the fact that we all come from unique backgrounds, and to say "we're all the same" is a blanket statement that ignores the fact we should all be proud of the micro differences that make up who we are as individuals - especially in the greater context of our world.

I am curious about the post's objective for POC being represented by their sun signs mostly, but it is always nice to see diversity being recognized any time, any place.

posted November 12, 2015 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
[b]For all saying that this is not helpful for appearance, I did do a recent thread about rising signs relating to Black individuals. Would you like a link? I just posted for sun signs because that's something many people identify with and I was hoping someone would be inspired by the cool people who share their sign.

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I actually find your thread laughable. Polish born Roman Polanski is listed! LOl. River Phoenix. Double LOL! Pablo Picasso! You're joking, right! LOL[/B][/QUOTE]
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/233365.html

There's the link for ya! Roman Polanski is Jewish, so please refer to my description. Pablo Picasso is from Spain, which isn't truly free from privilege, but I wanted to include him just because he is one of my favorite artists. If you find my thread laughable I see no reason why you have to stay and make comments. You, of course, can do whatever you please, but helpful feedback is always better than feedback made from distaste.

posted November 12, 2015 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by venus2tinkerbell:
I lost my temper and I'm sorry. It's clear you mean well, and you have suffered yourself. I don't agree with your approach, but you're clearly not out to get people so I don't need to attack you. I look forward to participating in another one of your future threads.

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Don't mention it! You have nothing to be sorry for, your experiences are just as valid as mine. I in no way meant any offense, and I look forward to your participation. (:

posted November 12, 2015 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belage:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Mergoatsun:
[b]For all saying that this is not helpful for appearance, I did do a recent thread about rising signs relating to Black individuals. Would you like a link? I just posted for sun signs because that's something many people identify with and I was hoping someone would be inspired by the cool people who share their sign.

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I actually find your thread laughable. Polish born Roman Polanski is listed! LOl. River Phoenix. Double LOL! Pablo Picasso! You're joking, right! LOL[/B][/QUOTE]
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/233365.html

There's the link for ya! Roman Polanski is Jewish, so please refer to my description. Pablo Picasso is from Spain, which isn't truly free from privilege, but I wanted to include him just because he is one of my favorite artists. If you find my thread laughable I see no reason why you have to stay and make comments. You, of course, can do whatever you please, but helpful feedback is always better than feedback made from distaste.

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Didn't mean to offend you, but you obviously don't see the irony of having someone like Polansky who has benefited from white privilege regardless of his jewish background. And Spain used to be a very powerful colonial power, and is still considered white last time I checked.

posted November 12, 2015 02:45 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
I respect the work that went into this. As a woman of color, when observing those that are prominent in the media, the lack of representation can be, frankly, disheartening and "Other"-ing, especially when we live in a world that caters to those of a dominant race socio-economically and otherwise.

Race discussions are uncomfortable because they're not had nearly enough in a calm and welcoming atmosphere in the lives of most people. It's important to recognize our cultural heritages, as sweeping them under the rug only perpetuates the issue of predominantly white representation standing in for POC (people of color). There are no such thing as "red, yellow, purple" people. The notion of being "colorblind" ignores the fact that we all come from unique backgrounds, and to say "we're all the same" is a blanket statement that ignores the fact we should all be proud of the micro differences that make up who we are as individuals - especially in the greater context of our world.

I am curious about the post's objective for POC being represented by their sun signs mostly, but it is always nice to see diversity being recognized any time, any place.

Just my contrarian 0.02¢

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posted November 12, 2015 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I kind of agree with this.
It can be looked at from many viewpoints and I really do have some understanding for several of them. Including this one, yet, it also annoys me.
However, from MY viewpoint, being a person who really doesn't give it (race) much thought until it's brought up. How is it supposed to end when it's constantly being put in the spotlight? Forcing people who otherwise wouldn't think about race into defensive positions. It will always exist (racial separation) for those who look for it. ALWAYS. Regardless of if it's actually occurring or not.
I've seen plenty of non-white people here, not even mentioning it. Even asking for asc sign guesses and race was never brought up. Look for racial biases and you'll find them. I could find them against whites if I looked around.

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.... Hate to say it, but gently and strongly I want to chime in with "me too"

(Thread title: 'Non-White People's Sun Signs')

Gently.... Feedback is important, Mergoatsun.

I waited a bit beyond my initial gut reaction before weighing in. I want to say how this affected me "personally"?

I discern 'exclusion' and segregation--- a "dividing-spirit" at work here-- This (maybe unconsciously) seeks to hurt, segregate, and offend "WHITEs" here.

(Validating what some others are "feeling" here.)

I pride myself (in a good way) on "inclusiveness" and strive to keep my own self 'balanced'.

We have to fight ALL kinds of prejudice and stigma in society. SKIN is "Pigment"... like hair or eye color.

ALL kinds of exclusivity... is SAD. Sometimes it takes a case-by-case examination to determine it.

Yes, celebrate our 'uniqueness'... but NOT at the expense of putting someone else down in order to achieve it. That's the OLD PARADIGM... We look at the past in order to CHANGE the Future. BEGIN the Future now... Do we want 'prejudice' being 'seeded' in our Futures?

{scripture} A little leaven... contaminates the whole lump.

Mergoatsun, I'm soooo sorry you had that experience with that HATEFUL prejudice 'towards Jewish People' from a "Professional" Astrologer. That's NOT Right!!! I'm soooo sorry-- *Angry*

You're putting in a lot of effort in this post, and I will recognized and commend you for that.

But remember TOO, the 'hurt' you received about 'being Jewish'... can help you understand how the rest of us feel, too.

Gently, I will give you the benefit of Doubt. ... This may have been a subconscious attitude (that some harbor inside themselves) which affects the 'senses' of people of ALL Colors who have worked hard in their spheres of influence TO build a more-evolved thinking, believing...

Time to go Forward with LOVE and Respect for all Humans....

*Peace, Mergoatsun*

posted November 12, 2015 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Belage,
Exactly ! I come to this forum as one of the few places where we are all one, bound by a shared love of astrology. I see photos posted by people of many different races. It is a comfortable and nice community of people from all over the world. And here comes the OP with a " non white pepple" thread. Give me a break.

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posted November 12, 2015 03:20 PM            

Aquarius - Jackie Robinson, Angela Davis

posted November 12, 2015 03:20 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Aries - Tracy Chapman

Aquarius - Jackie Robinson, Angela Davis

Pisces - Erykah Badu

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Thank you, I will add them right away!

posted November 12, 2015 03:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Belage:
I see that my post to which you are responding has been deleted. Not by me. Interesting...

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It has happened before. Nobody deletes posts, posts occasionally disappear in a bunch. Athenea post also disappeared as well as my previous post and a bunch of others. Sometimes it happens when there is heavy editing of posts.

posted November 12, 2015 03:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LaceyLeigh:
Aries - Samira Wiley, Jill Scott.

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Will be adding as well. Thank you, also it's fascinating that Jackie Robinson was an Aquarius to me. He certainly did "change" the game. The Brooklyn Dodgers will always hold a special place in the heart of Brooklyn

posted November 12, 2015 03:34 PM            

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Mergoatsun... You said this at 2:57pm
Mirage29, I see where you are coming with this, but I don't see why white people would or should take offense to this?

No where did I ever want to offend "whites".

I am white identifying myself, I am from Jewish background but my skin is white.

When a person of color is telling me their experience, or that racism needs to be addressed, I don't get offended. I don't get offended in spaces that are solely dedicated to people of color, and I don't think anyone should.

Also, Liliya I did include Asian people, however I'm not sure if you are a serious poster when you also ask to include vegans...

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I think Liliya was trying to inject some humor there... You're funny! and I 'get' you! {{ }}

Someone else had made a comment that rang true to me, that somehow the 'energy' of this thread seemed divisive? ... And they had posted their comment almost the same instant as mine. Synchronicity...

Belage also mentioned that he'd been here for a LONG time, and that generally the astrology charts we've pulled here have never asked 'Is this a white person, or a black person.' ... I appreciate this. At LL, I've seen fights about politics, orbs, and whether or not LL is pink or purple?? But in general (personally) I have not seen 'racial' fights here in Astrology 2.0....

IF there were to be a "discussion" on Racial issues, it might appear in the Sweet Peas Forum, and maybe Aquarius Rising Forum.

This was a popular song in the USA in the 1970s...

Everyone is Beautiful in their own way. The Beauty lies WITHIN.

posted November 12, 2015 03:43 PM            

Also if I could respectfully ask people who "don't see color" to read this article, I may post more depending...